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Show A15 The Salt Lake Tribune NATION Sunday, January 24, 1999 ewinsky, House press secre tions to the White Houseearlier in the impeachment drama, and Prominent Roles econd straight Saturday, White jouse Counsel Charles Ruff assailed the maneuver of House eth Starr in their effort to interjew Lewinsky. “Can you imagine whatthatlit- tle conversation is going to look hike, held in the independent Hounsel’s office, with the Republicans said later the president’s Teplies to those questi ons reinvigorated the drive to im- WASHINGTON — TheSenate trial was thrown into turmoil Sat- Peach him. urday as Senate Democrat and House Republican prosecutors swapped barbs and Utah Republi- M@Sen. John Breaux, D-La., sug- gested that the motionto dismiss the chargescouldbecrafted to include language censuring the can Sens. Orrin Hatch and Bob Bennett split over the Battle of Monica. The 13 trial prosecutors, including Utah GOP Rep. Chris Cannon, struggled to keep their perjury-and-obstruction impeachment case against President Clinton alive by allowing for wit- President, perhaps by saying he had “brought dishonor” onhis of- fice. Republicans privately dis- missed the idea, and said they were determined to press ahead le there who havethe capacity to put with the plan for preliminary questioning of witnesses. @ Republican officials were diTected to begin work on a proPosed timetable and Ms. Lewinsky in jail? “Can we really saythatit’s just normal, just OK, to have oneside using the might and pendent counsel’s of- BY JOHN HEILPRIN THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE were unhelpful responses. Some prosecutors in enlisting assistance from independent counsel Ken- majesty of the inde- Republican House managerstry to lengthen proceedingsby arguing that witnessesare essential to process many lawmakers expressed disappointment at what they said Continued From A-1 * Latest Stage of Trial Has Senate in Turmoil ‘k- hart later said. oe RAS The House Judiciary Commit tee submitted 81 written ques- Starr Return to E ForMmore vetans www.sitrib.com fice threatening a witness with violation of an immunity agreementif she Nodetails set of guidelines gov- were available. In their comments, both Ruff doesn’t fly across the country for this little chat? I think not.” Rep. Asa Hutchinson, R-Ark., rejected suggestions Lewinsky would be mistreated. “The White House counselors do not want to talk about the facts, the obstruction of justice. Just like in the House, they wantto talk aboutthe process, everything but the obstruction of justice,” he said. With the House managers at- tempting to makeplans to interview Lewinsky this afternoon, Starr's office offered to make her Clinton to answerin writing. Hatch, the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman, endorsed the prosecutors’ secret effort to force Lewinsky to submit to questioning. “It’s absolutely right. It’s absolutely legal. They should wantto interview her,” he said, adding that a vote to subpoena witness depositions in the coming weeklikely will pass. “It’s going to be pretty hard to Lewinsky flew back to Washington from California to comply. Shearrived at the Mayflower Hotel, walking in wearing a baseball cap and surrounded byjostling TV cameramen. Rep. Henry Hyde, the lead prosecutor, quietly wrote Starr on Thursday seeking his help in bringing Lewinskyto the tableafter her lawyers had refused to make her available voluntarily. available to White House lawyers under the same terms if they requested a meeting. In a related development, former Clinton adviser Dick Morris said he had agreed to meet with the House managers this afternoon. On a day of rapid-fire developments: Lott told reporters at day’s end aboutthe plan to seek written answers from the president. He did so after Clinton’s attorney, Gregory Craig, said during the trial session, “Now we would be close this off without some consideration for witnesses,” Hatch said after the Senate had adjournedlate Saturday afternoon. “It’s prematureto talk about dismissal motions or adjournment motions.” At a morning Republican conference, Hatch’s conditional plan to adjourn thetrial with only an “acknowledgment” or “affirmation” of the House’s impeachment Andin his own remarks on the Senate floor, Hyde responded to a question posed to him with a ringing defense of the effort he is leading to convict Clinton and re- happy to take questions and get responses to you, consult with the president and Mr. Ruff, if you’d like to submit them.” Craig approachedsenators who vote went nowhere.He favors do- ing that only if it becomes clear move him from office. “There are issues of transcen- that the Senate lacks enough votes to convict and remove the dent importancethat you have to be willing to lose your office president. “We'regoingto at least have to over,” he said. “I can think of sev- had posed the question after the trial adjourned for the day and eral that I'm willing to lose my told them Clinton would not an- swer the questions himself but his office over. Abortion is one. National defense is another. senators could agree on a proce- Strengthening, not emasculating the concept of “equal justice un- lawyers could on his behalfif the dure, White Houseofficials said. der law” is a third, he added. “There is nothing in the rules that provides for senators to put questions directly to the president and it won't happen,” White on a series of rapid-fire developments that left even senators “T think wereally will see the The White House and Democrats countered that the House prosecutors’ actions were outrageous. In the Senatepress gallery, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, re- counted howhehadliterally but unsuccessfully chased after U.S. Chief Justice William Rehnquist at the end of the day, begging him to reverse Johnson’s and Starr’s actions. Robert Byrd, D-W.V., who will try to have thetrial dismissed on Monday also angrily denounced prosecutors. ‘This is clearly a desperate attempt by the House managers to pre-empt the coming vote by the Senate on whether or notto depose witnesses,” he said. Byrd’s motion to dismiss the trial will likely be rejected, Ben- nett said, but the Senatewill lack the 67 votes to convict and removeClinton. Thefinal result of the trial could be a ‘‘sense of the Senate” resolution, he said, or preferably a formal censure based on House Democrats’ language. Senate Democrats portrayed the prosecutors’ move as reveal- ing the weakness of the House case, since they were now essentially bent on “discovery,” or the fact-finding phase that typically took no position about Lewinsky. ate corridor. “It’s good for them actions on witnesses. “What are wegoingto find out? There are no huge questions of HERPES STUDY IMMUNE STIMULANT TREATMENTFOR GENITAL HERPES If you are healthy, between 18 and 60, have a history of genital herpes, and are interested in participating in the study of an immune system stimulant to decrease the frequency of recurrences, pleasecall to see if you will qualify for this new study. Compensation provided. University of Utah approved research, Doug Mills/The Associated Press Sen. Orrin Hatch talks on CapitolHill on Saturday. He backed efforts to force Monica Lewinsky to submit to questioning. [House managers] to try to find out everything they can. It’s a tempestin a teapot.” The House prosecutors led by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde, R-Ill., obtained Starr's help Friday without informing White House lawyers. That sparked a legal battle in political points,” he said in a Sen- a witness before putting her on the stand. Astheleaderof the three-mem- ber GOP team in charge of Republican questions, Hatch has frequently been bounding in and out of the Senate chamber with written questionsin his hand, taking them to the Senate Republicanleadersto bring to Rehnquist. After 106 questions were posed by Republicans and Democrats during a 10-hour period spanning Johnson's court which also be- came the focus of the Senate's question-and-answer period Saturday. The House managers defended their decision, saying it did not violate any Senate rules since any good lawyer would want to talk to Friday and Saturday, the Senate is moving into what could be the most partisan and divisive seg- mentofthetrial.” [AIR DUCTWholeHouse CLEANING Package, | $159.95 vnweomw L_____ Up 10.20vents _ We're Utah’s Largest elias Cleaner! cat Duct Pros 355-8719 eam occurs beforea trial. Not so, according to Hatch. “Anybody that tries to make a fuss out of this is trying to score He brushed off Democrats’ struggling to keep up with events. nesses — to decidethetrial’s outcome,he said. let the House deposetwo, three or four witnesses,” Hatchsaid. Unlike Hatch, Bennett said he charges that prosecutors had violated the Senate’s bipartisan rules agreement to jointly discuss all The court's ruling wasthelatest was predicting thetrial’s end as early as next Friday. The Senate probably already knows enough at this point — even without wit- course, we've gotall those speeches that haveto be given,” Bennett added half-jokingly. “No, I'm probably overly optimistic. It may take 10 days.” cessfully force the interview. Also, senators’ questions were being drafted and submitted for cutors’ behalfif she wishes. “tedious” session, Bennett also U.S. District Judge Norma Holloway Johnson on Saturday deal, wentto federalcourt to suc- and Hutchinson were responding to questions posed by senators through Rehnquist, whois presiding over Clinton’s trial on articles of impeachment alleging perjury and obstruction of justice. The furor erupted as U.S. District Judge Norma Holloway Johnson ordered Lewinsky to appear for questioning, either by House prosecutors, or by lawyers from Starr’s office on the prose- By late Saturday afternoon,after the Senate had adjournedits close of this within the week. Of Lewinsky to submit to an interview with House prosecutors after Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, using Lewinsky’s immunity tions to be taken from potential witnesses. to maketheir case for witnesses. I will vote for witnesses through the deposition phase.” nesses. ordered former intern Monica erning any deposi- fact left out there anymore,” said Bennett. “I have no position on any specific witness. I support giving the Housethe opportunity The Salt Lake Tribun http://www.sitrib.com THANKYOU, Governor Leavitt Atty. General Graham and members of the CALL 534-4626, 534-4666, or 585-5683 Utah Legislature!!! DESIGN Get Organized in 1999! ENTERTAINMENT SALE save 40% | On all Hooker Entertainm, Centers). si ath ots he dle pie oe Save 25 - 40% on other collections dozens of styles, ‘ Chooseie ; ine * Cherry * Maple ee. ¥ Utah's hospitals and health systems thank you for your diligence in obtaining a generous tobaccolawsuit settlement. Weespecially thank you for your foresight in agreeing to earmark in law $5.5 million of this money to fund the Children’s Health Insurance Program (“CHIP”) and repeal the hospital tax on thousands of Utah’s sickest citizens. 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