Show AFEBBNOON SESSION Senator Evans Testifies and Mr XEcCuue Crossexamined Abel John Evans being recalled testified tided as follows Examined bv Mr Thurman You have been sworn havent you Yes sir sworn the other day Were you present Mr Evans at rc Cunes headquarters when Mr McCune came in and announced to those urea ent that Mr Law wanted to see him Well I dont remember whether he came and made a general announcement announce-ment or not Well did you hear him make any statement Yes sir You were there at that time Yes sir Who was with you or who else was present Why Moses Thatcher was in the room where I was Do you remember what Mr McCune said Well my best recollection Is that Mr McCune said that he had just been telephoned to by Mr Law that he wanted to meet him in the Wasatch drus store You remember anything else that was said by Mr McCune Well a few minutes after that I do he and I went into another room there Was that before he went over to see Mr Law Yes sir I presume so it was immediately after he made this remark Well did you or did Mr Thatcher there make any reply to him at the time he sole in the presence of both of you I dont think I did I think Mr Thatcher said something to him about going over to meet him but I never took very much notice of it to tel you the truth Well do you remember whether the effect of i was that Mr Thatcher assented as-sented to his going or dissented My recollection of it Is that he rather encouraged en-couraged It Did you say anything to Mr McCune about i After we went in the other room I talked with Mr McCune about ItWhat What did yon say as well as you can remember Relative to going over Yes Well Mr McCune I think he told me again then that during the conversation that he had been telephoned tele-phoned to to come over and asked me what I thought about the idea of accenting ac-centing Laws vote Well right there did he say In that conversation that Mr Law Mr Evans Wait a moment that ta lea Jng I object to it as leading This I Is your evidence not contradicting anything we put in in any shape or form I I will ask you to state whether he Paid anything concerning whether Mr Law stated he would or would not vote for him or what he wanted to see him for orMr Evans Why dont you ask him what he stated Mr ThurmanI have asked that Mr Evans Mr Evans I object to the question Well I dont just know exactly how it came up that was talked about but i a a conversation that Is what he called me in there to talk about was the advisability of accepting Laws vote but whethsr COULD HAVE HAD REPUBLICAN HELP I Well what did you say Well I told him that it was quite a question in my mind whether he ought to do it or not I says we have been trying to effect I this election without Republican votes there was a time that we could have elected you with eight Rooublican I votes as I understand t and we refused re-fused to do i we were opposed to i this is a Democratic fight and that I was very desirous that we should settle it with Democratic votes and I says that I would tell Mr Law not to vote I for you on the first or second ballot that If he came at all I would have it understood that it be say on the third ballot if necessary and then only if you found you were then one vote short of being elected that you might consent con-sent to having him change his vote that is about the substance there was some other things perhaps I said but that was the substance of our conversation conver-sation Mr Evans I would like to ask the gentlemen on the other side if they claim that was not hearsay evidence and selfserving it Mr Thurman Well do you object to Mr Evans If you say it Is not I wont Mr ThurmanI dont think it is Mr Evans I wont object then Mr Thunnan The object is to show I I the state of Mr McCunes mind when he went over there and what he had aright a-right tp think and believe about the I situation in the campaign I I Crossexamination by Mr Evans Was this said in the presence of Moses Thatcher The later conversation conversa-tion Yes No sir Did you hear what Moses said At the time When he first came in I Yes when he was present Why my recollection is that he said to him he relecton thought it would be all right for him I to go over Mr Law was not present was he No sir I Just a little chat between McCune and his supporters Well in the room I where I speak of no onebut Mr Mc Cune and I went in there at that time And Mr McCune talked with you at that time about the advisability of accepting Laws vote I think is the exact language you used Yes sir I think so I think that is exactly it The thing presented to you was the advisability of accepting his vote Yes sir if tendered to him yes So that you inferred from that did you not that he had some opportunity opportun-ity at least of receiving Mr Laws vote 1 I supposed there had been some understanding I under-standing in regard to the matter I He talked to you a though there had been a conversation between himself and Mr Law about Laws voting for I him didnt he Yes sir he said something some-thing to that effect of course I dont remember the exact language I As though lit were understood that he 1 could have his vote if he needed it No I not to that extent it was only the advisability ad-visability in case it could be gotten I Well you say he talked with you about the advisability of accepting It Yes if tendered In case it could be gotten Yes if tendered as I understand it What time did you leave headquarters headquar-ters to go over to the joint session Wel I dont know exactly i was after af-ter McCune stepped out I went into the other room there I Did you see Mac step out Yes sir I think so I think he took his coat and hat and cane if I remember right and I saw him go through the door I Why didnt you ask him to tall Law to come up to headquarters Well sir I really cannot tell you why I did nj WHERE THE EVANSES DIFFERED That wad a peculiarly strange thing was ut I that members of the legisla tur should call a senatorial candidate nut and talk to him I never though very much about i Especially when a member of the legislature had bn to his headquarters headquar-ters rl h along I never had seen him there c s f i You never had seen him there AIj recollection Yes Is that I never bad seen him there that I know of You didnt think to ask a why he didnt tell him to come up there and talk No sir He had plenty of rooms up there didnt he Yes And there was no difficulty abut finding rooms to talk privately with people when It was desired I dont think there wasTe was-Te headquarters were not crowded enough for that No sir there wasnt many there that morning It was In the morning And you advised him that you thought It would be bad policy to receive re-ceive his vote on the first ballot that If he desired to change his vote after he was elected that would be all right or words to that effect No I can rI state that i you desire me to All right I may have misunderstoot you I said to Mr McCune that I didnt think we would need his vote but I says after we have had two or three two or say three ballots if you find you may say to him if you find out you are then one vote of being ejected and he wants to come you might say to him it would be all right and let us get rid of this thing I am tired of it and perhaps we might consent con-sent to It on that theory That is if Mac wasnt elected i you had two or three votes and he wasnt ejected then your judgment was I that he might say to Mr Law when hemet he-met him after these two or three votes had been taken he might hange and vote for McCune Yes i his vote would elect him I his vote would elect him Yes sir Then you did not have any conscientious conscien-tious scruples then about receiving a Republican vote i necessary In order to elect him I felt that I would accept cept it under the circumstances In other words your state of mind Mr Evans 1 suppose was that i Mr McCune could get enough Democratic votes he would prefer them Yes But i you found he could not get enough after balloting once or twice you would yield the point and be willing to take a Republican vote Yee > and i get rid of the matter but I told him at the same time that I expected he would be ejected that day You expected he would be elected that day some time during the progress of the day Yes sir You were not however expecting it on the first ballot were you Yes I was wasThen if you were why did you tel Mr McCune that after voting two or three times If he were not eiected you would take his ballot Why did I tell him that Yes Well I thought It was possible that they wouldnt all come tri first ballot I expected they would but thought possibly they might not and might come on the second and possibly on the third and If they did not why that was about our usual number of ballots and I thought then if they did not come on the third ballot if Mr Law wishes to change his vote and close the matter up It would be all right Then there was a little discussion b tween you and Mr McCune as to some ether votes being cast that day besides the one ballot Yes You didnt have It entirely settled between you there that all you had to do was to go down and cast one ballot and elect him We couldnt settle that I thought that would be the result but of course I didnt know C GAVE HIS OPINION But you discussed some other contingencies contin-gencies Well yes we did I presume pre-sume I did most of the discussing as I remember i he asked me my opinion and I outlined it to him in the way I have given It here At all events there were discussions there a to other ballots being cast you have stated that I think Well I dont know You didnt just sit down together there and say Now here there Isnt any use of having his vote because you will be e etc on the first ballot anyway any-way No sir I didnt stop there did it No i did not But there was discussion as to the probability of thoro being a number o ballots and you thought that during the progress of the day Mr McCune would be elected I dont know that I said anything about a number of ballots bal-lots other than as I have explained You said two or three Yes I said perhaps after taking two or three ballots bal-lots that you are not elected on the first or on the second give the boys a chance up to three perhaps we will take no more ballots than that and If Mr Law desires to change his vote and settle the matter i that will do i I will accept i but under no other conditions con-ditions That Is you would not accept i on the first ballot if he thought he had enough Democratic ballots to elect him No sir But a few minutes later i he didnt have enough you would be willing to accept i Yes So that there was some talk about I some other contingency which might arise inthe i future by which Mr Laws vote would be desirable wasnt there I Yes sir in my mind i Questions by Mr Howells I Did you advise against Mr McCune going to see Mr Law I dont think I did I I did I didnt positively do so I i perhaps I might have discouraged him going at all I am not sure about that I i You were not present when Mr Mc I Cune returned from the drug store I No sir I had come down to the building II I HARRIS THE MANAGER II I A W McCune being recalled in his own behalf testified as follows Examination Ex-amination continued by Mr Thurman Mr McCune do you give your personal I per-sonal attention to the management of your campaign or have you left i entirely en-tirely with Mr Harris and his assistants I assist-ants whoever he may have Well I might say that I have and I have not but I am governed by their advice I ad-vice altogether I have been theie the greater part of the time myself Who has the handling of the money for expenses yourself or Mr Harris or both of you Both of us Mr Harris I Har-ris generally the bulk of it that has been spent well dont know the bulk of probrbly I have spent just about as much as lie has Have you any account of about what your expense ha been for the campaign cam-paign or can you give an estimate to I the committee approximately Yes I think It runs somewhere between eight I and ten Mr Evans Walt Is It a account in writing Mr McCune writng The Witness No sir I About what has been expended to date Probably S000 or 10000 i That is what you and Mr Harris I have both expended Yes sir I What you have expended Individually and what you have given him to expend I ex-pend Yes Do you know of any money ever haying I hay-ing been used by yourself O by anyone authorized by you for the purpose of corrupting members of the legislature i or inducing them as a bribe to vote I for yo No sir I do not I I want to ask you a question on another an-other matter before I close my examination exam-ination At the time you went over to see Mr Law did you then know whether wheth-er Mr Crosby and Mr Joseph E Robinson Rob-inson representatives would be present on Saturday Yes sir I did I You knew they would be present I knew it positively i I Did you say to Law that they would not be present I did not Crossexamination by Mr Evans I In giving your estimate of the amount of money which you have expended ex-pended In this senatorial contest you I mean that which you have actually spent In cash do you since the day after Christmas Yes sir When you opened your headquarters Yes sir Did you expend any amount of money prior to that time Yes quite a little How much I couldnt t l you Give us an estimate I couldnt even do that r A 4 I Well give us some kind of 3 estimate esti-mate I have Sven you the whole amount that has been spent from the beginning to the time and estimated it as nearly as I can nearl a ca Yes you have given me the whole amount of money that has been expended ex-pended from the time you opened up your headquarters Yes sir In the Kenyon hotel Yes In cash now can you give me the amount of money which you have expended ex-pended along In those directions pr lines prior to opening your headquarters headquar-ters I dont know what you are getting get-ting at Looking toward securing the position of United States senator There is none besides that Didnt you expend any money before thit Xo sir Not a dollar No sir You have no book account showing for what purposes this money has been expended have you No sir Have kept none whatever None How did you secure this money Did I secure i Yes I dont mean how you earned It but do you draw a check on some of the banks Yes And hand the money over to Fisher Harris Yes sir And keep some yourself Yes sir For use Yes sir So that the money that is used then during this contest Is usually In cash paid in cash and not In checks En tirclv Entirely in cash you dont give anyone any-one checks for anything No Why is it that you have established a rule of that kind Because i is much handier than issuing hecks all the time for the different amounts COST OF CAMPAIGN Do you know what your liabilities are for this senatorial contest since you have opened headquarters No sir you mean in the future No sir I mean liabilities that you have incurred from the day after Christmas up to the present time No I couldnt tell ou because there are a I great many men such as you have I questioned here that I am undoubtedly entitled todo something for I am asking you about it I havent the remotest idea You can give no estimate at all None whatever I wouldnt be less than ten or fifteen thousand would it You mean all told Yes No I suppose i would reach thatbefore I have settled up you mean Yes Yes I should judge it would reach that So that the whole amount would cost you In the neighborhood of twenty thousand dollars Oh no I should guess it at somewheres between ten 1 and fifteen I dont know just what it will be I After paying off the obligations which you have incurred Yes sir I have incurred no obligations that I know of Well I mean of these people who are worldng for you Certainly Have you paid hotel rent yet I couldnt tell you that is something Mr Harris could answer he attends to all that part of it I dont believe I know positively what the hotel rent is Have you ever made payment to any of these people who are working for you That I cannot say I have not Have you ever promised anyone who is working for you any money a a reward re-ward for their services Individually you mean Yes individually No I dont think I have You have made no promise to anyone I individually Not that I can think of You have made no contracts whatever what-ever with anyone No Has your manager made anyThat I couldnt tel you Ifhehas I dont know anything about it Did he have authority to make any Yes he can make what he likes What were your instructions to him I about the use of money I gave him none particularly except that he wanted want-ed at the first there to render mt an account and I said I dont want any accounts I says I dont want an account ac-count for the money because If the man wanted to be dishonest he could just as well make ui dishonest accounts ac-counts and beat me as he could In I handling the money straight But understand me I want to know of you what instructions you gave your manager a to the use of money Gave him none aarticularly None whatever No no specific in truction As to when he should call for money or how much or how freely he should use It None You pave him absolutely no instruction Instruc-tion No when he needed money he called on me and got It And you think that out of this eight or ten thousand dollars already expended ex-pended that you have used as much of it as Harris Possibly I have You have not paid off the hotel bills pr the wages of any of the workers No Or any expenses connected with the headquarters Oh yes I ALWAYS LIBERAL WITH MONEY What are they I have paid for tfr 1 de Ida I drinks from the bar by the score everyday every-day taken plenty of people to dinner I with me almost every day and a great many other little expenses incidentally that I cannot think of that would come I In probably would run Into considerable consider-able money as I spend a great deal of money ordinarily at any time myself I Well the fact of the matter is you have not much idea about hoW much money you have expended do you No I havj not Iav I This eight or ten thousand dollars is a sheer guess No I think that I have gone to the full limit at least I Whnt fln vAil hnso that iiiriirmpnfr upon i Money ti have drawn Have you examined your accounts 1 No Well did you keep it in your mind l Yes closely as I generally do I never i kept an expense account in my life on any proposition i That is what I am asking you about 1 now how you arrive at this conclusion conclu-sion that you have expended this much money I know very closely what I i have spent that is I know within a couple of thousand dollars How much money did you give to the Democratic campaign committee Mr Van Cott Just a moment Mr Thurman Let him go ahead Mr Van Cott All right Mr Thurman If Mr McCune dont object we dont care I was going to insist i was incompetent I couldnt tell you that exactly but it a somewhere about ten or twelve thousand Ten or twelve thousand dollars Yes sir sirTo To elect members of the legislature and likewise the congressmen I suppose sup-pose Yes sir On the state ticket Yes sir Was that given to the central committee com-mittee I was given to a great many committees most of i was given to the state committee Mr Moyle was chairman chair-man and he distributed it to other counties countes Did you distribute some personally to other counties I dont know I might have sentI believe I did send to the chairman of the Ogden committee where they asked for i and Mr Moyle didnt happen to have it that day and he was there and I believe I gave him szoo for the Ogden committee I Five hundred dollars for the Ogden committee Yes sir I Did you make any speeches during the campaign I did not Nowhere Nowhere What political positions have you ever occupied during your lifetime Mr Thurman Well we object to that a immaterial and Irrelevant Argued by counsel Mr Evans Cant you go Into this whole history when the defendant comes on the witness stand Mr Thurman If It is 1r ThuraI anything that affects the mans credibility yes but how has this got to do with the credibility credi-bility Argued by counsel Mr Whitney move the objection be sustained Mr Mansfield Second the motion The motion was then put and carried NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS Mr McCune I would like to ask you what you estimate your wealth to be I refuse to answer that sir It is none of your business and nothing to do with this case You get a little warm about that do you I do You refuse to answer that I do reuse Have you ever been arrested for any crime Never for any crime I was arrested rested once What for I was when I was a young man mowing hay in Nephi I was arrested on the charge Jf selllnjr liquor to Indians on the reservation without a license or something of that kind the charge was I havo forgotten what it was I was In the hayfield at the time Arthur Pratt came down after af-ter me a great many years aw What is your business Mr McCune All around almost anything and everything ev-erything Have you any occupation that you have chosen Mining you may say railroading street railroads steam railroads and interested in a hardware store jewelry store and I couldnt goon go-on to enumerate the other things large sheep ranch down here at Juab When did you first conceive the notion no-tion of becoming a candidate for the United States senate Two years ago Two years ago Yes sir You remember the contest of two years ago Yes sir part of i When Mr Rawlins was a senatorial candidate and Mr Thatcher Do you remember during that time saying to Mr John Q Cannon and two or three others in this city while that contest was going on that if Mr Rawlins would turn over the votes which he had to you that you would take your money and you would buy the rest of the ss of bs and be elected in less than a day No sir I do not You dont remember saying that I do not Did you say i I did not Did you say anything that purported to be Nothing whatever < To be such as I havestated to you Not a word of that kind that could be possibly construed into anything of that sort How many votes did you start within with-in this senatorial contest I think I had eleven on the first ballot You didnt lose any did you after that you kept steadily increasing did you not That I couldnt say but my I impression is that I did That you kept steadily increasing Yes sir As fast a rapidly as you secured these votes Isnt It a fact that you pledged every one of them in writing to stay with you No sir never was such a thing done from that lime to this The only writing that I know of them ever signing was that letter that was published In the paper NOBODY PLEDGED You say then that these men have not been pledged In writing as fast as you secured them No sir not in writing or verbally Not one of them Not one You supposed you were going to be elected on Saturday the 18th int did you Yes sir On what ballot did you think you would be elected The first ballot You mean alluding to the Saturday a week ago today Yes sir On first ballot I expected to be elected Did you have any doubt about it Not much I Did you have any doubt at all Oh there is always a chance for doubt that somebody might be sick or away or something of that kind To say that I had a absolute certainty when I only had the exact number of votes pledged to me I couldnt say that was a certainty cer-tainty You did have some doubt In your mind Always have doubt sir if I had thirtyfive promised I would have some little lingering doubt until the ballot was cast You were naturally interested then In securing as many votes a you could Yes sir Did you talk with Mr Rideout and Mr Stewart about this matter Yes sir On Friday night Yes sir In the presence of Moses Thatcher Yes sir Isnt it a fact that they told you at that time that if you could 3tain your original twentyeight they would vote i for you sometime during the progress of the balloting No sir What did they say They said they would vote for me the next day And did they say that without any qualification whatever Possibly there may have been the qualification that I had my twentyeight votes that had been staying with me Well that is exactly what I asked you if that wasnt a fact No I dont think it was specified because there wasnt any question of a doubt about the twentyeight votes But that was the qualification wasnt It that if you had the twentyeight votes that had been staying with you they would vote for you Possibly might have been I wouldnt say that I am clear I want to refresh your recollection upon that isnt I a fact that Senator Rideout called your particular attention atten-tion to that fact No sir he did not He did not No sir Or Mr Stewart No sir that never was mentioned but I am under the impression that it was put in such away a-way that they did not seem to be in I Joubt In regard to the twentyeight rotes That was the only reason was it not why you were so very particular about laving Henry Per there No I wanted as many Democratic votes as I could get there to vote for me You were very desirous of having Pee iy there were you not Yes sir I And sent wee to see him I didnt send Mr Dunbar Mr Dunbar I W nu f went voluntarily on his own part ELECTION WAS SURE So that everything was arranged on arrang Friday night s that you believed you would be elected on Saturday morning Yes sir What time did you come to the headquarters head-quarters that morning I couldnt tell that exactly somewhere about nine or half past probably Who all were present when you arrived ar-rived there I couldnt tell you that Couldnt tell us that No sir Do you remember anybody Oh e Who was i I remember seeing Mr Dunbar and I remember seeing Fisher Harris around I couldnt tell just I when as I passed through the room and took my coat off and he came in there and I said Good morning there were several people there who they were I couldnt say there was generally half a dozen or a dozen around What was the first thing you did when you got Into the headfluarters Possibly said Good morning to somebody body Well I didnt ask what you rid I I asked what you did I couldnt tell you that Take off your coat and hat I dont know whether I took off my coat and hat or my hat and coat You dont know as to that No sir sr But you got them off finally both of them didnt you Ye sir And hung them up Yes sir Who was it warned you that somebody some-body wanted you at the telephone the term warned Why do you use ter warnil Well notified you or anything you please I dont care what you call i A young man by the name of Mark Coons i Didnt you think warned was the pope word Well I dont know a its It-s it might as a little more significant signifi-cant to get at what you are trying to get at What significance do you think the word warned has Mr ThurmanI object to this discussion discus-sion about whether warned is a proper word or not Argued by counsel You went to the phone did you Yea sirDo Do you remember what Mr Law said to you over the phone Yes sir very nearly it I wish you would give me the language gve guage which he used I dont know as I couldnt remember e act TALK OVER PHONE Let us hear you repeat i now When i J I wont to the phone he said Who is this and I told him who it was and he said ha wanted to se me and I asked him i he could not come dow to the headquarters he said no that he was watched and this and that and the other and I made some remark that if he wanted mae say anything he didnt want to be heard he should nOt speak over the public phone and with spe that he said he had about concluded to vote for me according to his talk wit my men or my man or something of I that kind I dont know just the exact term that he used and wanted to know If I couldnt meet him and I says Where do you want me to meet you and he says At the Wasatch drug store I asked him where the Wasatch drug store was and h told me and with that I left and went into the other room and he made the ap pointment for me to come up there 1 fifteen minutes Well did you regard that message a containing anything of a suspicious character None whatever None whatever None whatever Can you then explain Mr McCune why you said to him that if he didnt want to b heard that he hadnt better speak over a public telephone in that way For the simple reason that he said he was watched or spied on and I supposed he didnt want them to know he was going over to vote for me I have had half a dozen or two dozen say the same thing Mr McCornick in talking to me one time wanted to know the Sac thing You have talked with half a dozen people In the same manner that you have talked with Mr Law No sir not In the same manner Have you had half a dozen people state to you over the telephone that you were being watched That I was being watched That they were being watched and didnt want to see you at the headquarters head-quarters No sir Isnt the first one who stated that Mr Law Possibly he is But he said nothing whatever of a suspicious character Nothing that I would take for granted He said Mr Dickson Let him answer the question Have you answered Yes And there was nothing said you say of a suspicious character and yet you do remember saying I there is anything any-thing you dont want to be heard you hadnt better speak over a public telephone tele-phone I didnt say that That was the substance of it wasnt It I said i there was anything he wanted to say that he didnt want heard he ought not to speak over a public phone And had he said anything had he communicated anything he didnt want to be heard He made it mysterious by saying he couldnt come to my headquarters and he was watched There was some mystery about i Yes I supposed from what he said he was watched And yet there was nothing suspicious a fa as he was concerned Why do you say there was something mysterious myste-rious I didnt You did not No sir I did not Can you give an explanation Mr Mc Cune why YOU made that remark What remark That you nave just given us here Will you tell me the remark I donk care to repeat It dont you I know what I mean No You told him If there was anything he didnt want to be heard that he ought not to say it over a public telephone tele-phone Certainly for the simple reason son that I told you he had said he was watched and spied on and couldnt come down to the headquarters LAW SAID HE WAS SPIED ON That he was watched and spied on and couldnt come down to headquarters headquar-ters Yes Well that was simply language he was using over the telephone Yes sirHe He want exhibiting himself In anyway any-way where he could be seen No sir Didnt suppose anybody could see him I he didnt want to be seen coming Into my headquarters he wouldnt want to be known to meet or something else He had been in your headquarters prior to that Yes sir He had been shortly after he came down to the legislature been Introduced intro-duced to you by Mr Monson wasnt he Yes sir I He had been there at different times hadnt he Yes sir You saw him on Tuesday night didnt you Yes sir On Friday night didnt you I dont know And on Thursday night I dont think I saw him Friday night J You dont remember that No sir But he had been there as recently as Tuesday night Yes sir He had been with you up to the Vienna Vien-na cafe Yes cae Eaten dinner with you Yes sir Walked along down the public street with lou1 Yes sir Went UD into your headquarters where there were many people present pres-ent and you invited him into a private I room in the presence of a number of neoale Yes sir And all that occurred and yet you I ay that Mr Law said that he was being watched He did And didnt want to be seen at your I headquarters Yes sir Do you know why he changed his I mind about that No sir Do you know what caused him to make that suspicious remark No sir I I do not KOI tne remotest idea isro sir You knew that he did not want to make such a deal as that iI your headquarters head-quarters I didnt know anything of the kind Did you have any talk or invitation of any other member of the legislature under such circumstances to see him Xo sir No other member No sir not that I am aware of I have had messages sent I have gone to meet other members mem-bers I went to meet Will Nebeker on Friday night and I went to meet Mr Stewart and Mr Hideout they didnt seem to want to come to my headauarters Well you said all right I will come over did you Yes sir When he told you that Deonle were watching him or reporting him or words to that effect didnt you say Why no harm done at all come right over here this is a public place Yes something of that sort |