Show CONVINCING STORY IS TOLD BY MCUNf Defendant On Stand Nearly All of Yesterday Before Legislative Investigating Committee Testimony Not Shaken In Any Particular By the Rigid Crossexamination of the Clever Ogden Attorney For over three hours yesterday A W M Cune was on the stand testifying in his own behalf before the investigation committee which Is looking into the charges made against him by Representative Repre-sentative Law Mr McCune told a convincing honest hon-est straightforward story of the meeting meet-ing with Law when the latter charges JbO was given him for his vote He denied de-nied that he had ever given Mr Law a cent and said that he had refused to accept a proposition made by Law to sell his vote for 5000 During most of the afternoon Mr McCune was under crossexamination by David Evans Mr Evans seemed utterly unable to keep personal animosities out of the examination exam-ination and as he was unable other vise to break down Mr McCunes testimony tes-timony he resorted to taunts and insinuations in-sinuations to ang r Mr McCune and make him say something which per haps migLt be tortured Into an admission I admis-sion i of vronednlng Mr McCune kept I his temper under this trying ordeal of abuse and Insult admirably for a time but toward the close of the day he j cvaJontly began to feel that patience had ceased to be a virtue and he gave II + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Mr Sloan was already on the witness stand and Faust retired blushing I Mr Sloan testified merely as to the conversation at the Vienna restaurant i between Christensen and C M Jackson I Jack-son He overheard Jackson say Its I a Gd dned lie Moses Thatcher was called and indirect in-direct examination said that he knew of his own knowledge that at least two cew votes would have come to McCune on Saturday if the charges against him had not been sprung Under cross examination he went more minutely into the question stating that Friday I vening Mr McCune had met Senator I Rideout and Representative Stewart at I his home He had been present at most j of the conversation The Heber J I Grant letters and ecclesiastical influences influ-ences were discussed and it was finally agreed that for the good of the Democratic Demo-cratic party the senatorial deadlock J ought to be broken Didnt Mr Stewart or Mr Rideout say that they would vote for Mr Mc I Cune provided he lost none of the twen tyeight votes he had had the day before be-fore asked Mr Evans I understood them to agree emphatically emphat-ically that they would vote for Mr i rT v r v r r r 9 TTTT T 1 1 1 1 t + i t d1 I + A < n + f I h i + + I + A + 7iL r r r + + VT if + + 4f r fjIJfff < + fj < + 0 if W j + + 5L v lilf Ii z n = J WJJ t I 1 + + I t T = 14 f r + jq E l l + f I I < < + + ALFRED W 21GUlvE I ON THE STAND f I y Mr Evans as good as he sent on every oitasion The day was somewhat profitable in that it just about closed up the case of the defense Mr McCune who was jtill upon the stand at adjournment is many the last witness to be examined ex-amined Mr Evans threatens to keep him Bjioi the stand for some hours tomorrow to-morrow under crossexamination and If that Is the case and any evidence in rebutaJ is put in the hearing will hardly be concluded before the middle of the week and the report of the committee com-mittee will probably not be presented before the last of the week Besides Mr Mofune Moses Thatcher Soren X Christensen R W Sloan Abel John Evans E B Critchlow and R C Chambers were on the stand but their evidence was largely corroborat in > of that of former witnesses for the defense or in impeachment of some of the iHn ses for the prosecution One question asked by Attorney Evans Ev-ans during the crossexamination of Mr McCune indicates that John Q Cannon may yet be called to testify as to some incidents of the campaign of two years ago In all probability ths will extend the scope of the investigation Inves-tigation to Mr Cannons part In that campaign especially concerning the mpotiatlons he carried on between his father and a certain senatorial candidate candi-date who was not being voted for but who was soliciting church support Representative Stewart was 111 all day yesterday and was not present at the sittings of the committee Soren X Christensen was called for CTOssexaiElnatSon in the morning Mr Ewns stepped right Into a hornets nest at the start He had twitted Christensen who is Democratic chairman chair-man or Snipfte county with the loss of that county Did Mr Evans make any speeches in Sanpete quickly interjected Mr Van Cott Xo I believe not but they were quite extensively read replied Mr Christensen Even Mr Evans smiled I What is your business about the McCuiie camp he then asked To kind of keep as eye out for the j members and to look wise Christensen Christen-sen replied The witness went on to relate Ills conversation with Jackson in the Vienna Vi-enna cafe when he asked Jackson why i he had failed to keep his appointment j at McCunes camp hI told him said Christensen that another meeting had been arranged and urged him to come to it if he did not want to get into trouble Didnt you advise him to keep away or he would get Irto trouble I did not This exactly contradicts Jacksons testimony on that point I Mr Christensen started to relate his conversation with Lester Taylor Saturday I Sat-urday morning in which Taylor promised prom-ised to vote for McCune but there was objection and the testimony was not admittedMOMENT MOMENT OF LEVITY R W Sloan was sent for Doc Faust being the messenger He returned 0 re-turned In a faw moments with the pompous announcement Mr Sloan is tot in the buildlnsr I = if L < y 1 S 9 4 P McCune without making any reservations reserva-tions You believed that it was right for the minority members to yield to the majority even though the will of the I people might be with the minority But this cuestion was ruled out and Mr Thatcher was excused E B Critchlow told of the dinner I i party at the Vienna cafe when Mr 6 thesayJe SlcCune had said In a jocular way that he had spent too much money In the I present campaign to lose it now He stated that every one of the dozen at the table had heard the remark and that it was not regarded as serious by I any of them R C Chambers described his interview inter-view with C M Jackson In which the I latter had said that he would come over to MeCune as soon as he was certain I I that Judge Powers could not be elected I and he had satisfied certain Dledges I 1 to Judge King stipulating that he i would not do so unless the McCune I campaign were strictly on the square I MCUXES TESTIMONY I We will now call Mr A W Mc I Cune said the defense and Mr Mc Cune came forward and took the stand I His testimony was given in a very I straightforward manner and during the direct examination he was very calm and seifpossessed But under I crossexamination he warmed up several sev-eral times and replied somewhat sharp > y and Indignantly to some of the insinuations I in-sinuations of Mr Evans j He said that prior to the Tuesday i I afternoon before the Law charges had j I been brought he had seen very little of Law He met him that evening and they went to the Vienna restaurant I where they were joined by a number of other McCune men and dined Later they went with the others to the Mc Cune camp and talked there a while I There had been some talk about the use of ecclesiastical influence in Cache I nl1 nil 1lJ UflIn Inltl Tw into an inner room to talk about itn We had scarcely got within the door said Mr McCune when I turned turn-ed and asked Bob Sloan to come In also A moment later Joe Monson joined join-ed us and after we had talked for awhile a-while my son came He said it was time to go home and I was virtually a physical wreck I went with him leaving the others together Did you in any manner or form suggest to Mr Law that he might name his own price If he would vote for you the next day asked Sam Thurman I said nothing that could convey anything of that kind Mr McCune then turned to the events of Saturday morning and told of the jubilation at McCune headquarters ut the prospect of an election He said that it was considered certain that he would be elected that day as Senator Rideout and Representatives Stewart and Larsen were to vote for him and Representative Richards would be absent ab-sent STORY OF LAW CONVERSATION He was summoned to the telephone to talk to Law and Law asked him to come over to the Wasatch drug store Law told me he could not come up to I headquarters said Mr McCune because be-cause ho was being watched Law Vk6 I stated that ha thought he could vote for me according to the conversations 1 he had had with some of my men I told him if he had anything he did not want heard not to say it over a public telephone J agreed then to meet him at the drug store and when I went back into the rooms I told Moses Thatcher and Abel John Evans I was going over there and asked what they thought about it Evans said to go ahead but to tell him not to vote for me on the first ballot At the drug store Law asked me togo to-go to his room but I refused and suggested sug-gested that we go to Hogles We finally I fin-ally sat down on the settee and I aslad Law what he wanted to see me abo tHe t-He said he was ready to vote with me In accordance with his talk with my men He seemed confused and nervous and he said he was a poor man or something of that kind and then he wound up with the statement that he would vote for me for 5000 I was surprised and I asked him what he meant by that I said I had enough votes to elect me and I wouldnt do anything of the kind he suggested I got up immediately and let him and he stepped outside When I came out I saw him standing talking to a man I had seen by the door when I went in I shook hands with Jim Shields on the corner and then started across the street I had not gone far when Law joined me He said he did not know but that he would vote for me anyhow We walked across the street and he held cut his hand and shook hands with me Did you put any money in his hand then asked Thurman I did not I hadnt that sum with me At headquarters I saw Harris and Dunbar and Dunbar asked if Law was going to vote for me I said No hes a dirty scrub and I believe I added though that may have bean later that Law had said he might vote for me When the news of the charges came I Harris and Dunbar both asked me if Id giver the man any money and I told them I had not Then I described how he shook hands with me and I said Thats what the scoundrel meant by giving me only his two fingers and thumb I Right here the committee adjourned until afternoon and at reconvening I Abel John Evans was put on the stand I I and he confirmed Mr McCunes stat I ments about the conversation before McCune went out to meet Iaw I COST OF CAMPAIGN I Mr McCune was then recalled and requested to tell something about his I campaign and his management He said that up to the present time Ins ex i I penses had been between 58000 and I 10000 This money had been expended I expend-ed in the ordinary course of the campaign I cam-paign for the rent of his headquarters headquar-ters for bar bills and traveling ex j perses etc Mr Harris and himself I had jointly spent the money he stated Do you know of any money being I j used to corrupt members of the legis lature or to bribe them to vote for YOU asked Thurman No sir I do iiotMr McCune replied I re-plied and after one or two minor questions ques-tions at 310 p ra the direct examination examin-ation ended I Almost at the outlet of the crossex amination Mr Evans appeared to show some personal feeling against Mr McCune He asked irrelevant questions ques-tions and descended almost to personal I per-sonal abuse more than once so that i I Mr McCunes attorneys had to appeal to the sense of justice of the committeemen commit-teemen to get him back to the matter in hand The matter of campaign expenses was first taken up and Mr McCune again went over the ground stating that Mr Harris and himscif had jolntly expenl ed the money used He said that he had never in his life kept an expense account but that he knew within a couple of thousand dollars where he stood In the campaign He admitted giving to the Democratic campaign fund before election between S10COO and 12000 and said that the bulk of it had gone to the Democratic state committee commit-tee What political positions have you held Mr McCune asked Evans at this juncture We object to that question said Thurman and after a word wranele un the objection was sustained What do you estimate your wealth i at Evans asked trying another tack I I I refuse to answer that question i I Mr McCune replied Its none of your i business and has nothing to do with I I this case I The committee sustained Mr McCune in his answer and then Evans flew off on another tangent this time meanly I taking up an old story which has been I spread broadcast during the campaign by the police section of the opposition I I to Mr McCune i A MALICIOUS QUESTION I Have you ever been arrested asked Evans leering maliciously at the witness over his glasses Never for any crime But youve been arrested When I was a young man working In the hayfields down In Nephl I was arrested on a charge of selling liquor to Indians Arthur Pratt came down to get me and I can readily see where I you got the story Without going on to ascertain that I Mr McCune at that time was immediately Immedi-ately released as It was another man not he who was wanted Evans switched off again to ash Do you remember saying to John Q Cannon and others two years ago that If Rawlins would turn over his votes to you you would take your money and buy the rest of them I never said a thing of the kind Mr McCune replied After wasting a half hour or more in this kind of questioning Evans began to come back to the case in hand and asked about the conversation at the drug store Why did you tell Mr Law not to talk to you over the wire Did you think he had anything wrong to say If he did not want to come to see me at headquarters was the reply he would not want to have It known that he was speaking to me over the wire You had some little doubts about being elected did you not Doubts be hanged McCune an > i iuu iinpuii iiiiy LOU le uiwuys talking about doubts Dont you know I theres always a danger of slip twixt I cup and lip Why wouldnt you go to Laws room if you thought all was right Because I hadnt time He said his room was in the Jennings blockas he I called it in his speech and I hadnt I time to go up there I But it was right across the street Yes and If hed told me It was so near I might have gone and then you I fellows might have caught me Per haps youd even have sworn my life I away If It had been necessary I Tell us about the conversation In the store I storeMr I Mr Law said that he was thinking I about voting for nje and then he began I to ramble and make excuses and talk i strangely and finally he offered to vote I for me for 3Q60 I was angry and said I would not give him that sum and got I up and left him You are a man of high sense of I honor arent you j I hope so And you would hold a man In some I contempt who offered to sell his vote I Yes sir I THE RETORT COURTEOUS I Well why did you meet him again 1iJ < 7 1 1 on the street and shake hands with him Why didnt you shake your fist under his nose and denounce him I Youve had the bee In your bonnet I yourself Evans Mr McCune replied I quietly and do you think you would do that if there was a chance that it might injure your interests Mr Evans shirked the responsibility of an answer Im not on the WItness wit-ness stand he replied Let me remind you of the statement state-ment in the Deseret News Did you say to that paper that you had told I Law to so tohelI2 I think r may have It was putting it somewhat more strongly than I had I to Law Why didnt you say that to Law You ought to have done so I I Mr McCune smiled You must remember re-member that the man Is big enough to I have taken me by the scruff of the neck and shaken me I I Mr McCune then made specific deL de-L L T T r r r Tr r r r r rr r r i i i r rr 1 FVr i 4 4 I + f 4 4 4 4 4 c iwr t + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + I + HOSES TKATCflER TESTtFIS + + i + 54 + + 4 + + + + + + + + + + ± + + 4 + + + + + + + + s i I nial of the statements attributed to him that while he and Law were walking walk-ing across the street Law had asked faglsa I him not to be hard on him for his mistake I mis-take as the air was full of rumors of bribery He said that Mr Dunbar was I mistaken in quoting him as saying these things I Your lawyers prepare the written statement of your idefc f the story I suppose Evans asked rf I Yes I wasnt there Dickson Ijisclnlmed Nor was I said Van Cott I Then Sams the guilty man Dick son added That vouches for its literary style I Mr Thurman smiled I If you were buying votes you I wouldnt have made any difficulty about the price Evans asked I wouldnt have dickered about it I VAN COTT INDIGNANT Why didnt you give him 5100 instead in-stead of SO Thats a dirty insinuation and I object I ob-ject to it cried Van Cott leaping to his feet In his indignation Objection sustained said Senator i Shurtliff promptly without even puttIng i put-ting it to the committee i If youd given Law SSO and promised prom-ised him 1420 more youd have stuck to your bargain I suppose If he had voted for you Evans asked with his disagreeable grin We object to this kind of questions Judge Dickson interrupted Oh Im willing to answer that question ques-tion Mr McCune said calmly But on motion of Mr Sorenson the objection was unanimously sustained 1 suppose you have a high sense of morality Evans asked Yes I have Mr McCune replied Then turning upon Evans he went on My record is before the public even if YOU did allude to that longago arrest ar-rest and then failed to follow it up and I show that there was no reason for It You knew all about it too from a man who has maliciously followed me all through this campaign J I didnt know that part Evans protested pro-tested weakly I You knew he had been discharged Judge Dickson cried without even the formality of a hearing and well put gfinn I you on the stand and find out all you do know I I dont care to have any controversy I I contro-versy Evans replied loftily Neither I you nor your counsel can persuade me j from my duty I I Did you ever talk with Heber J I Grant about the senatorship he went j on after an interval while the room I calmed down Yes manytimes I Did you ever give him any help or strengthen nis pnysicai anatomy I Everybody roared at that and Evans I corrected himself Financial anatomy I mean None whatever I Senator ShurtllfC took the opportunity opportun-ity to declare an adjournment I I suppose you are through cross examining Mr McCune Mr Evans asked Judge Dickson I No replied Evans viciously Ive just begun I And weve got to suffer on Senator Shurtliff sIghed MORNING SESSION Soren Christensen Tells of His Campaign I Cam-paign Duties Soren X Christensen called and sworn Examined by Mr Evans Mr Christensen where do you live I live at Mount Pleasant Sanpete county Are you chairman of the Democratic county committee of that county I believe yes sir I How long have you acted as chairman I chair-man Since September or October last And you led your party to defeat I believe After that experience what particular particu-lar interest did you have here In this legislature Are you not afraid if you espouse anybodys cause that might be repeated It is possible I dont know about that Mr ThurmanDid Mr Evans make any speeches in Sanpete county during the last campaign I think not They rend them down there Mr Evans Read my speeches down there Mr Sorensen He read them you ay Mr EvansDid hey sound pretty well I dont remember J x n Q f > IiI I SorensenDo you think if they had I been delivered there personally the result re-sult would have been different It may I have been Mr EvansThis is merely a matter of pleasantry and I am through I When did you first espouse the cause of Mr McCune That was shortly before be-fore the legislature met I do not remember re-member Just when I How did you come to Interest yourself In his behalf Well I was looking over the candidates and I rather favored him and I think I met Mr Harris and discussed the matter some with him I and he found that I was favorably inclined In-clined to Mr McCune Dont just remember re-member how that came about something some-thing in that aIn > a-In what particular direction were your efforts to be used Well there were no arrangements as to how I should use my efforts at all Was It supposed you had any influ I 1 ence on the Sanpete delegation I think not I think it was understood that I did not have So that you went in there for the purpose pur-pose of influencing no one from Sanpete county No sir I was not Whom did you or they think you might influence by your presence here for Mr McCune As to whom they thought I do not know they never told and as to whom I could influence I have never th6ught BUSINESS WAS TO LOOK WISE What then have you been doing during dur-ing the nearly two months past you have been working for him Well I have done whatever I thouht was necessary around there saw that members mem-bers were present and say a kind word for Mr McCune whenever I got a chance and looked wiser thats about all I have done Were you particularly solicitous about whether the Republican members were present during the latter portion of this contest No sir Not especially so Not especially so I do not know that it hurt my feelings if they were not there Is that all you have done to look wise Well I will say this What particular member did you look after Not any particular member The two things that were your principal prin-cipal duties one to see that members were present and another to look wise now you didnt see that persons were uId rta If present I will ask you If you looked C I wise I am not competent to judge that myself but I would like to explain ex-plain what I mean by seeing that members I mem-bers were present There was very often of-ten that something would turn up that a member would be late arid I made it my special business to see that all of I Mr McCunes supporters were at the I Joint session on time or know where they were In case anything was wrong That was your special duty in the campaign Yes sir Did you have any other part delegated dele-gated to you No sir No other part whatever No sir How then did you come to Interest yourself about seeing Mr Jackson Well that was principally a side Issue Is-sue He was not voting for Mr McCune No sir You did not go to him for the purpose pur-pose of having him present No sir Who delegated you to see him I Mr Jackson Yes The first time I was asked to accompany Mr Harris and the second time he asked me to find him and make the appointment So that you were at the command of the management In general as well as the particular business of seeing that Mr Mcuune supporters were present Yes sir Have you received any money from the management during the time you have been there Yes sir some About how much I presume it would average 510 a week Some weeks I have had 10 and some not Did you keep any account of it No SDo you make any report of the use of the money to the management No sir sirNever Never reported at all No sir Who cave it to you Mr Harris In cash or checks Cash Always given In cash Always Have you received anything at all for your services Not a cent Do you hope to receive anything No sir well I dont know I am not figuring figur-ing on receiving anything Are you in the hope or exnectatlon of receiving anything when your services I ser-vices shall have ended No sir I am not EXPECTS NO REWARD I Not in hope or expectation No sir I am not What is your business I nractlce law > lawYou You have something of a lucrative practice havent you Fairly good And you have abandoned it No sir Principally for the last two months havent you Well In a way I havfef I have a partner who attends to the business busi-ness i For the last two months you have practically abandoned it Yes sir Given but little attention to It That is right Why do you do that Mr Christensen Christen-sen I should not have done I did not expect this thing to last so long I thought about a week and then didnt Continued on Page 2 L L k W t CONVINCING STORY Continued from page 1 want to quit didnt like to be defeat oilYou You didnt like to be defeated I had i taken interest And felt It was a persona matter as fTvell as Mr McCimes Simply my In terest in the mate that way 4 Did you ever suggest to the manage inent that the thIng was somewhat protracted and you didnt feel you i could spare so much time I think not notDidnt Didnt make any1 suggestion of that Kind I ant remember I think not Wevo you personally acquainted with Mr McCunc Yes sir When didyou flrst become acquainted acquaint-ed with him Well to know him I Iravc mcI him number of times In years gone by but never knew him specialty until me ran campaign i net him very often at the headauar ttrs ttrsThat was 1S9S Yes sir Did you become very intimate with hm at that time Not especially No question of personal friendship between you and Mr McCune No sirYou You are not supporting him purely out of friendship Not narticularly persortal friendship Your motives must be purely patriotic pa-triotic Yes sir if you put I in that i ar waHa you made any trips anywhere out of the city since this campaign opened I think not since it opened Did ydu before it opened Yes sir Where did you go I went to Price What for To telephone to Castle Dale in regard to a petition What kind of a petition With reference ref-erence to the delegates that constituted the county convention of Emery county coun-ty IIESOLUTION5 THAT WERE REGRETTED GRETTED What was the nature of the petition I They asked the delegates who composed com-posed that convention they had adopted resolutions over there endors I inq William H King or something to That effect and I had learned that I there was a disposition to release that I aiid I went and telephoned a party about it at Castle Dale asking him if j h could get the delegates to sign a letitlon or rather a release of that I jiaoiuiion 3 rom whom did you learn they had a disposition to release it From Mr Wllberg Who Is he He Is quite a prominent Democrat of Emery county Was he a member of this delegation lie was Did he tell you they wanted to release re-lease that obligation Yes sir When did he tall you that That vas earlier before this campaign started I was there on somo legal business and discussing matters with 2ilm I learned there was some feeling a regard to that resolution Air Thunnafc We object to continuing contin-uing this hare Mr Evans 1 Js to show the interest vf the witness Mr iJlesscn So far as I am peru per-u jally eorcerned I do not care how lon r y nu protract i > lr Tliurmau dot see what it has to do with the case Well you learned from Wilberg that thcj wero gulL to release i Not tat they were going toT to-T lt they watitca to That there uis a di ioUUcn to yes sir i Vhuie lid you learn that At Castle i Lie lijw oiyr oTler that was It you went j i to Price an1 telephoned over I was I t A to a monthS month-S month prior to that if you I aricd from Wilberg l that there was a I sposition to release that right while 1 were there didnt you get the re I iu = e of i I You were then working I ior Mr McCune I was not This waG J I 5 < rior t the time I was doing anything j i fur Mr McCuno ihai I had this con I i versatijn with Mr Vilberg i You had that conversation with him I j it Castle Dais Can you explain tot j aJ i < to-t tC why It was necessary to no to Price to telephone to Castle Dale I I I can explain l that by going to Price I I hfx do the telephoning myself jtntrwiso it would have to be done through some other party What prevented you irom writing a letter to him i you thought he was desirous of releasing these obligations Nothing He was not the only one there s ere thirtytwo You only telephoned to one you could June wrItten I could but I didnt < Why0 Because I cSidnt think of writing writ-ing v letter < T ilze first place The let tr would hae ole out on Saturday end would not have reached Cost e Dale until Tuesday I would then taki > three tluys to get back and at that time W < < ld not expect we would 11 i o iiuvli llne l our hands Hov far i ii to Price from here tuiut a humlc miles You wrlt undad miles to send a tei < plwp mmesage thirty I went to tslepinni Where else did you go during this I campaign I dont remember any whore else j Yiu would probably remember if you hau gone I think Sf I You talked witi Jackson the first 1 r IISK at thi Vienna restaurant Yes j sir A1 he made some objection did he iu talking to thwe parties No sir j i Dll not make any at all No sir I tI iJiii say he wanted other people j f viiii iiin whan lie talked No sir j Didnt sty a word about that No sir I I 5UDid you when you talked to him j there did you state to him the partic1 i ular charges or inferences that were i I I made by Fisher Harris I simply said j i that it was reported that he had act I ac-t u d Fisher Has of attempting to bribe him That Is all you stated That is the substance of it DENIED BRIBERY CHARGE You did not state that you understood that Mr Jackson was told by Mr Iv Iss that Fisher Harris had I am not ciear on mat i Knew u out whether 1 said Mr Iviiis or simply Harris I am rot positive I think 1 did not say Ivins And ht said 1 was a G d 1e iie never sod anything of the kind He doesnt say It row does he I td I dont know anything about that DiU you tell Jackson that Harris wanted to see him Mr a CottDo you concede now f that Mr Harris never did try to bribe Jackson f Mr Evans I do not make any concessions r con-cessions at all t What did Jackson say after that p this remark that you say he made I < urn not clear a to what remark yoUr you-r c reference tot to-t I dont want to repeat it I is a profane pro-fane remark Do you want to know > what he said next I Yes Well I think that was the end of the sentence and then I said some I thins and then he said something What did he say My recollection is 1 latldl r I I tall him he had to go and meet Mr Stewart Mr RIdeout Mr Nebeker and Mr Harris and if he would not ha was going to get info trouble not Exactly you told him then and there he would ret Into trouble if he didnt meet them Yes sir You warned him then and there I he didnt meet those men he would get into trouble Not exactly that but had reference more particularly to the I chare he was making Didnt you tel Mr Jackson there substantial as a friend YOU warned him against these people that they S were going to try to get him into trouI j I S bleV No sir I did not j I What was your object in talking to I Wm about getting into trouble The S simple reason that Jackson had broken every appointment he had made and I E I thought I would make I emphatic You though that when Mr McCune m required an appointment with a man he had to lull If Not necessarily more than w ith any one else I I Where did you next see himto talk I I I with him Possibly a week I do not remember seeing him Are these three things the only things you have been delegated to do four I believe you have mentioned now I cannot say that Undoubtedly not What else have you been delpjrated to do Specifically I have gone out for somebody or gone some other errand I dont recall now I generally jianage to keep pretty busy but to recall just what it was now I do no remember What do you busy yourself generally about in this campaign The things that I have mentioned That is gen emIlY You feel very much interested In this election do you Well yes j Did you do any talking with any of not the Republicans about voting I think notHavent Havent you talked with Taylor I do not think I asked him to vote Didnt you talk with Mr Tavlor about voting for Mr McCune There was a discussion with regard to that probably about two minutes Where was that At the Walker House Who were present Mr Hammond Mr Taylor I think Mons Peterson I think he was and some other gentleman gentle-man I did not know What was the subject of the conversation conver-sation The election United States senator What did you say to him about wanting him to vote for Mr McCune I didnt Bay I wanted him to vote for Mr McCune SLOAN GAIN CALLED Robert 11 Sloan called and sworn examined by Mr Van Cott Mr Sloan do you remember a week ago last Saturday in the afternoon at 1eafi the Vienna cafe of seeing Charles M I Jackson and Soren X Christensen and some other gentlemen Yes sir At any time while you were in there did you se Mr Jackson start to leave or leave Yes he got through Did he speak to you I saw him and Mr Semen X Christensen in conversation conversa-tion lonHow How clo e were you to them I must have been part of the time about six feet away Could you hear anything that Mr Christensen said to Mr Jackson No I could not Did you hear anything that Mr Jackson I Jack-son said l to Mr Christensen I heard him makean expression Right in that conversation Yes What did Jackson say A God damn kind lie God damn liar something of that I I Crossexamination by Mr Evans That is all you heard That is all I Were you engaged in conversation with anybody at the time I was waiting to speak to Mr Christensen Mr Sloan have you consulted with any of the witnesses since you were examined yesterday 11 relation to what their testimony was here No sir testmon I Have not consulted with anybody at all No well I do not really know what you mean Have you read their testimony I have been principally occupied in reading read-ing my own Have you read the testimony of Mr Dunbar and Mr Ivins No sir not this morning When the message came to headquarters headquar-ters that Mr Law was making charges I on the floor of the house against Mr I McCune I will ask you whether Mr i Fisher Harris Mr Dunbar retired to I one of the private rooms We were together to-gether yes sir And was the fact of these charges communicated to the four of you to the I three of you by Mr Harris Yes sir I wish you would state this morning morn-ing what Mr Harris said Heaid i as ai near as I can recollect of course I was agitated somewhat about the charges but my recollection is that he said that Law was now on the floor of the house I making a speech charging Mr McCune I with having attempted to bride him You do not remember anything else eb I in the language but remember that was the substance I do not recall anything t any-thing definitely but that I Now I wish you would state again i what Mr McCune said did somebody ask him what there was of it there I I Not that I recollect I remember Mr i MoCune was more or less agitated and angry about the matter and gave expression J1C pression to some ejaculation I remember I remem-ber some conversation relating to heater he-ater explanations made n by Mr Mc I I 1 Lone out viieuiur tIC were ai nat I I time or subsequent to it or whether t they were in part at that time and I more in detail I am not prepared to say I sayI want your recollection of what was said by him at that particular time j Well if I may testify Mr Evans as to what was said at that time as distinct I dis-tinct from what he said at other times I I cannot do i I I I want only such statement as your recollection will serve you My rec I I ollection is that he referred in emphatic mud contemptuous terms to Mr Law I I said that he had attempted to sell his I i ote to him Mr McCune for 3000 I I That Mr McCune had resented it Ire i i member now I think that Mr Harrs I I want to break inthat Harris said I that Law had received the money while I shaking hands with Mr McCune I think that was stated I You remember that since your testimony testi-mony yesterday I do not remember hether I testified to that yesterday or I I not notDont you remember that you testI fed and said that Mr Harris came and said Law was on the floor of the house in substance as you have said here this morning I remember very distinctly telling you yesterday that I could not distinctly remember at that time I You stated that much didnt you And ha it just now occurred to your I mind that the money was received on the corner I think I stated that yesterday yes-terday I That is the best of your recollection Well go on 1 want to know what else he said there in that conversation that happened at that particular time I I think it was at that particular time That he said that is what Law meant by shaking hands with me this way I Said at the time that he thought lie had lost two lingers two fingers missing i I miss-ing but I am not sure something of that kind At l events that is your recollection recollec-tion of what Mr McCune said at that time Yes sir TWO MISSING FINGERS I Thought he had lost two fingers did he say at that time in the course of that conversation that Mr Law was a damned rascal I am not sure I I do not recall his having said that He made some expression in a contemptuous t i ous way but I am not positive as to i i the expression I Was it something of that kind Well I had several expressions in my mind I at tne time Didnt you utter them No and I cant tell whether Mr McCune said them or whether I thought them I Did you hear Mr McCune say that he went tp the AVasatrh drug store In I response to a telephone message from Law and met Law there That hemet he-met Law at the drug store shook hands there and sat down and Mr Law told him that he would offer his vote for 5000 that he had rejected I and got up and went to the showcase purchased a little package of throat medicine and walked out and as he entered upon the sidewalk he saw the same gentleman standing there whom he had noticed there when he went in that he walked across the street in a southerly direction that Mr Law trailed along behind or followed him and overtook him on the street and said to him in effect I dont want you to get mad at me Mac after making that offer because the newspapers are full of rumors of charges of the kind I the air Is full of i and charges are being made everywhere and Mr Mc Cune said to him Oh I dont blame you for making it or words to that I effect I know that rumor has I that these things are going on the newspapers news-papers have it the air is full of i did hs say anything of that kind at that time or place I can say I have heard Mr McCune make all those statements substantially but whether at that time or in a subsequent explanation ex-planation I am not positive You heard him sometime If not then at some other time make statements a I have stated Yes sir And did he likewise say that he reached the corner and that Law said notwithstanding all these things he believed he would vote for him that day I believe he said something of that kind my recollection Is that Mr McCune said that in my hearing MOSES THATCHERS TESTIMONY Mr Moses Thatcher called and sworn Examined by Mr Thurman Where do you reside At 101 Vet North Temple street this city Were you at Mr McCunes headquarters headquar-ters on Saturday last in the forenoon Yes sir State If you were there at the time Mr McCune made some announcement to those present that he had been called to the telephone by M Law 7 I was there in the room about 10 oclock What if anything was said by him and those present about that As I tat remember Mr McCune said to me that I he had just received a telephone message sage from Representative Law to met I I him and asked me what I thought of it I said that I was not personal acquainted with Representative Law but that he had already voted for a Democrat and possibly might vote for a Democrat that day State whether you suggested or not the propriety of meeting or gave any suggestion I gave no further tug gestion than would be Implied from whatI said Was anyone else present besides you and Mr McCune There might havfc been others present there may have been others but what was said I cannot can-not say Do you remember whether Abel John I Evans was present Abel John Evans I passed into the room while I was there and may have been near I cannot say Did you see Mr McCune when he went out I did not Do you remember whether he left your presence immediately after that My remembrance is that I left his Mr Thatcher I will ask you If you know from personal Interviews or knowledge whether any votes were ccmlng to Mr McCune on Saturday or voters who had not voted for him before be-fore I certainly had that understanding understand-ing yes sir How many did you know of yourself your-self Two at least I will ask you if you know whether Mr McCune also knew the fact He must have known the fact because he heard the conversation that would lead I to i conversaton I Crossexamination by Mr Evans You were Dresent then when Mr McCune said he had received a message mes-sage from Law Yes sir And asked your advice about it He pimply stated that and asked me what I thought You took it as asking advice Yes sir undoubtedly From what he said did you Infer that he had had some previous talk with Mr Law No sir I did not infer anything any-thing of the sort You at once entered into conversation which indicated that with a talk between be-tween them when they met would be respecting the question of Laws vote for McCune There was nothing indicated indi-cated except in his statement to me that he had received a telephone message mes-sage I was a bare fac that he had received a telephone message He so I saidAnd And you upon that said he may vote for you because he has already voted for Democrats I stated what I said TALKED OF LAWS VOTE That is what I am asking you to see ir I understand It Then uoon the bare fact of his stating to you that Mr Law had telephoned him you commenced com-menced talking about Mr Laws vote Yes sir I What did Mr McCune say to you which indicated that Mr Law wanted to see him on that subject Nothing I Nothing at all No sir Were you there afterwards when Mr McCune returned From where AAell he went away didnt he He may have done but I left him I was not in his presence Did you return that morning Not I until after the session I was not in his minute presence certainly ver one ute and that was about the time he received this message and I came right to this building Yon didnt BOO him until nftpr these charges were made I did not I came I straight from his ofllce to this building ingYou You do not know then of course whether he went or when he returned No sir I AVlio were these two members that you have personal knowledge of who were going to vote for Mr McCune that I day I feel as if I was in a rather peculiar I pe-culiar position on that but I suppose it I is necessary for me to tell I has been told Mr Thatcher I do not think there will be anything ear I I ticularly embarrassing I may as well state the circumstances connected with I I It I it IS embarrassing I will not press I it Well the interview haauened in my house Interview with whom With Senator i Sena-tor Hideout Representative Stewart and Mr McCune How did you come to make that meeting A messenger or friend of I mine came to me between 6 and 7 oclock on Friday evening and said that he had been sent to request a meeting at my house of the parties named Who was that messenger I D Ilaincs Lives in Cache county I think his I home is in Ogden He was the former superintendent of the state reform school at Ogden The same He has been actively engaged in behalf be-half of Mr McCune in this campaign I do not know to what extent he has I been engaged You know he has been cntrasjj in his interest dont you from conversations I conversa-tions rou have hid with him What time of night was it when this message I came I my memory serves me it was between C and 7 nearer 7 than 6 in the evening Did these three gentlemen meet there They were there when I came down I At what time The appointment was made at 7 or 730 I f not positive which Who made the appointment This gentleman said he was sent there by Senator Hideout to make such a request re-quest That is Mr Haines At that time these gentlemen were in your home Certainly What time was it then that you received re-ceived that message appointing the meeting I have stated between 6 and 7 What time did a meet them Well I should judge It was some minutes after af-ter 7 but I cannot say probably nearer near-er 7SO Well who announced these gentlemen gentle-men to you My wife or some one there They had gone to the door and she had admitted them probably had taken them into the parlor And then called you Yes sir I see What day was that Friday evening Did you four gentlemen there have a conversation on the subject of the votes of Mr Rideout and Mr Stewart When 1 first met the three gentlemen I bid them welcome and said Gentlemen Gen-tlemen you probably want a private conversation I supposed they ha matters to talk about that did not concern con-cern me THOUGHT PRIVATE CONVERSATION CONVERSA-TION DESIRED I I vas in your mind that these gentlemen gen-tlemen wanted to have a private conversation con-versation In your house alone I think so at that time tme Why did you think that I do not know except that Senator Rideout was a pretty close friend of mine You didnt think that he wanted togo to-go to your house simply on that account ac-count did you I thought hj > had sent a message requesting the privilege of certain gentlemen meeting at my house res sir Without any consultation or advice from you He had none from mel I me-l is a considerable distance from I I headquarters I is at 101 West North I Temple street I Well Mr Thatcher I wish you would tell us all that occurred at the time and place between you I do not think I can tell all that occurred Can you tell the substance of i I can tell some of the things There was some discussion of varIouS matters How long were you discussing Well I it may have been an hour or even more Do you remember what time they departed de-parted I should think somewhere near 9 oclock it may have been later I may have ben a little before State now as well as you can remember re-member what occurred between you all There was a general conversation I J various subjects to which I paid no attention I mean on the question of securing their votes for Mr McCune Mr Stewart Stew-art observed a I remember that they would vote for Mr McCune on Saturday Satur-day daiVas Vas that the frt thing that was said there I mean on this subject of the senatorial contest Z There had been some talk On that about matters that had transpired before I think ome reference made perhaps to Mr Ride outs speech on the floor sometime between tween the 13th and 15th Was that speech analyzed talked over The impression was that certain things had been removed from the min of Senator Rideout Did not Senator Hideout pay that he didnt hardly t e his way clear t vote I for McCune after having made that smeEh In thr eenernl n5cmhh T heard no uph remark n You didnt hear a remark of that kind No sir Well is that all that was said thereon there-on that subject in this two hours That Is all until on or about the time they departed and 11 Rideout handed Mr McCune n letter which he said contained con-tained some matters which he wished to clear up in writing That letter aa I remember It only part of I was rea I did not feel aa if It was a matte mat-te that I was specially concerned in What was the subject tn that letter I I re < med to have some reference to ecclesiastical influence that may haven have-n used Was the subject of the Heber J Grant lettersdiscussed there I am not certain about that I may have been That would be somewhat interesting as a topic of conversation would it not You would not be likely to forget anything of that kind I I did not I pay much attention to the conversation conversa-tion yes sir Dont you know anything that was said with reference to this letter at all I think it was referred to I am not rCarE certain Is that all you can remember that occurred there That is about all except ex-cept the general conversation There might have been discussions on ecclesiastical I eccle-siastical influence and there might have been on the Grant letters Dont you remember whether there were such discussions there I do not positively remember that there was th tht u SUBJECT OF CONVERSATION What was the discussion beween you on the main matter upon which the came I Judged from their conversa ton that it was as to the vote of Senator Sen-ator Hideout and Representative Steiw art and I understood from the conversation sation that it was a clearing up of some doubts in the minds of those two gen lemen gnI They came there for the purpose 0 i announcing in your presence and in the i presence of those other g tee that i hey would votes for Mr McCune I do not know that that was the object I You said that was the first thing said That IB the first thing referring to that I matter that I remember That they met at the house a consid rable distance from the McCune headquarters head-quarters In the presence of you two gentlemen fa the purpose of making the announcement that the were gong go-ng to vote for Mr MtCuno the next day I cannot tell what their purpose I tree During this two hours conversation can you remember something that was I said I stated there was genural talk along the line of breaking this dead i lock I am tolling you all I can and ail i I know I remember that there was dis i usjion to the effect that this deadlock I ought to be broken Senator Rideout and myself had talked about that before be-fore I foreWell that It ought to be broken in I the interest of Mr McCune was that I the discussionI think the general idee of this conversation that I had was that that was the ret and only evident way of breaking it Did you use any influence at all with Mr Hideout to get him to cast his vote for Mr McCune I Mr ThurmanWe object to that as irrelevant Immaterial and incompetent Incompe-tent tentMr Mr Evans You make an objection AVitnesa have no objection Have you told me everything that you can remember now that occurred In that room duiing 1 that two hours i i conversation Everything I can remember re-member now The only thing that you do re reI I distinctly that was said was by Ride out that they intended to vote for Mr McCune on the same day I dont I think so that Rideout made that statement j state-ment Who did Representative Stewart And Mr Rideout acquiesced That is merely technical isnt i as to who stated it And that Is the only thing during that two hours conversation that you can remember now that was said definitely to give the language that was used gve On that particulau point Just on that particular point I will ask you The understanding I had was thot those two gentlemen definitely would vte for Mr McCune And that is the only thing you can remember that va said upon that subject sub-ject I said that Rideout said that it seemed like a good time to solve this question of the deadlock That was imparted Yes sir I have asked you if you remember anything more oil that subject and it Seems you cannot except what you have stated I want to put it to you in this way Isnt it true that Representative Stewart either Representative Stewart or Rideout one or the other said to you in those presence that if Mr Mc Cone retained his t twentyeight votes on the next day that they would cast their votes for him in order to break the deadlock I dont remember anything any-thing of that sort sir You dont remember that at all No NO CONDITION OF VOTING I call your attention to I again defi nitely so that I may bring it sharply to your mind Isnt it true that either one of these gentlemen or the other stated in the presence of Mr McCune that their vote for Mr McCune would be conditional upon retaining the twen tyeight votes which he had prior to that time My understanding was definitely nitely that those two gentlemen would vote for McCuno on that day There might have been something said to Mr McCune but my understanding was that it was absolute and that these two gentlemen would vote for McCune on Saturday whether or not They would vote for him on that day without any qualifications whatever They did not give me any If it was you didnt hear I did not You are a supporter of Mr McCune are you Well 1 am friendly to Mr McCune Will you be good enough to answer the question Are you a supporter of Mr McCune and havent you been I dont know what you mean by that I supporter you will explain what is meant by I think you certainly understand that I may mean more or less I a friendly friend-ly to Mr McCune and have talked some in the Interest of Mr McCune but be hind that in the interest of the Democratic Demo-cratic party During this senatorial contest havent you worked in the interest of Mr A W McCune for ID purpose of doing anything that you thought honorable and proper to secure his election Yes sir I have with the understanding as i stated before that great damage was being done to the party And I Mr McCune held his votes day after day that seemed a solution In that sense You have advocated that the minority minor-ity members In the Democatic party In the legislature should go to the majority major-ity there Yes sir Did you ever consider the question a to whether the wishes of the majority of the people of the state should be consulted Objected to by Mr Thurman Mr Cummings the McCune headquarters head-quarters just at the moment when the matter of meeting Mr Law was considered I con-sidered by Mr McCune did you notice anything or hear anything in his talk I noticed nothing unusual In McCunes conduct he thought i would be better I cannot tell what he thought Mr Evans You have been at the joint sessions almost every day havent you I have ben frequently but not almost every day Some days I have had some matters on hand here I have often attended the legislature also Mr Whitney To whom did you refer vVhon you sad he voted for a Democrat before I referred to the president of the senate CRITCHLOAV IS CALLED E B Critehlow sworn examined by Mr Van Cott Where do you reside in this city and sir have for a se t many years Yes sirYour Your occupatloA is that of a lawyer Yes sir You are acquainted with Mr Mc Cone and have been for some time Yes sir In a general way are you Interested In his business Yes sir I am in a legal way Do you remember a week ago last I Tuesday evening of being at the Vienna Vi-enna cafe Yed sir Who were present Wen I went in Mr McCune Mr Tanner Mr Sloan Mr Law and as I now recall one other gentleman whom I cannot be certain about Did some come later Yes sir Who Mr Dunbar and If Mr By water were not the fifth present at that time he was one who came and I think Mr Lloyd wa the man Did Mr McCune say anything to Mr Law while you were eating supper there or before with reference to Law coming to him What did he say The first thing that was said as I now recollect i upon that general subject I was by Mr Law with reference to his I I not being considered a very good Republican Re-publican anyway and Mr McCuno said Oh Law will be over voting with us before this thing is over and he said Law you better come over we are pretty good fellows anyhow By Jove this thing has cost me so much I cannot afford to lose And there was a sort of a general smile went around And Law went on to say that In his judgment the matter would have been settled long ago had it not been for the efforts of JJr Me Cune and his supporters to induce the McKinley Republicans to come to his support That induced a remark by j Mr Dunbar and I think by Mr Sloan j to the effect that that was not true j and then Mr McCune made some jocular Jocu-lar remark about not wanting their t support and that sort of thing and I I laughingly said I they were going to I run down the Republicans I could not eat with the crowd I You are a Republican Yes sir During that conversation Mr Crltch I low was i said In what kind of atone a-tone Jocular tone and laughing in the spirit of the previous conversation Could everybody at the table hear wit 11 McCuno said to Law Certainly Cer-tainly I Was there anything serious about i that or in what Mr Law answered to i this remark There was nothing ser Ious ious i-ous about it further than that ho seemed to be serious in making the f I charge that the only reason why the S senatorial contest had not been closed i long before was because as he said of the attempt on the part of Mr McCune and his supporters to enlist the McKinley I Mc-Kinley Republicans Did Mr Law in that conversation I say anything to the effect that he I thought Mr McCune had usth word cost in an Improper sense Not at all There was nothing further said about it at all while I was thereIN there-IN A JOCULAR VEIN Crossexamination by Mr Evans In other words you think Mr Mc I Cune uttered in a very pleasant manner I man-ner a great truth Well I cn hardly i answer that question in any other way i than this that I imagine that a senatorial Imagne atonal campaign cannot be carried on I without what would be to me a great deal of money whether it would be to I him or not I could not answer Do you think lIe was joking when he I said it I do You think It has not cost him u great deal of money I has cost what would I be a great deal of money to you or tome to-me but if you mean by a joke whether I wheth-er it was said in a serious manner I say it was in a jocular manner I But Mac said to Law You will be over with us soon by Jove this hS cost me too much money now to afford to lose That was the substance of it I am not giving the exact words Are you retained by Mr McCune in this case No sir I think not I am Mr McCunes general attorney and while I have been present at some of the consultations with the attorneys I had no part in the preparation of any of it You ale retained by hip generally Generally In any matter of importance in legal matters it is referred to me without auestion And you have consulted with counsel in th e1te wih 1 to + 1 < investigation Only on Sunday noon for about an hour I did not so to consult con-sult with them but went to see Mr Brown and they were there Mr H C Chambers called and sworn Examined by Mr Dickson Are you one of the senators From Summit county yes sir Are you acquainted with C 1 Jackson Jack-son I am With Mr Ivins of The Herald I amOn On one Sunday evening in the latter part of January last or thereabout did you meet Mr IvCns and Jackson at your office In this city I didor rather they met me Yes You were there when they came YesDid Did Mr Jackson in that conversation with him in the presence of Mr Ivins respecting the senatorial contest say to you after he had discharged certain obligations he was under to Mr King for the next day Monday he would go to McCune and slay provided Mr Mc Cones campaign was honest and straight or words to that effect As near as I can recollect he said he thought he saw no chance for his man Judge Powers and he felt under some obligations to vote for Judge King tomorrow to-morrow that after that he would vote for Mr King If his canvass was run on the square Crossexamination Mr Evans Wasnt it Mr Ivfns who made this I statement in the pi piesence of Mr Jackson I Jack-son No I think not Mr Ivins opened the conversation and we talked of other matters not pertaining to the leg I islature or the election of a senator for a very few minutes and then I think that Mr Ivins opened the subject matter mat-ter of what Jackson might do but I dont recollect the exact words with which he did so However I asked Jackson It he could come to Mr Mc Cune and when and that was his reply re-ply That Is your best recollection of the conversation I simply spoke with him and the conversation stopped right there therer Mr Evans His promise to come to Mr McCune was comlltlpnal upon the 4 cmpaig being run OI the square Iso I-so understood 14 MR MCUNE CALLED A W McCune called and sworn Examined Ex-amined by Mr Thurman You are A AV McCune Yes sir You are the person who is accused by the specification here of bribing and alternating to bribe member ofthe legislature I presume so Where do you reside Mr McCune I think the number is 70 South Temple the Cardo house What Is your age Fortynine last July JulyWho Who if anybody represents you in your senatorial campaign Mr Harris Har-ris risHP Hp Is your manager T I Il When did you open headquarters The day after Christmas Are you acquainted generally with the members of the legislature Yes sir most of them One or two I think I am not acquainted with Were you acquainted with most of them before the contest opened No a great many of them I was not acquainted ac-quainted with I will ask you when you became acquainted ac-quainted with Mr Law I really cant tell the date Somewhere about the fore part of the contest he came Into headquarters and I was introduced to himDo Do you remember who introduced you I think it was Mr Lett I would not have remembered that if I had not heard it hereAfter here-After that first introduction to him I I J vu v > UI LI UII on speaking terms Oh C He came up very often probably during the campaign I have seen him there five or six times something like that Did you ever prior to Tuesday evening even-Ing in the last week did you ever have a conversation with him Not particularly particu-larly have In a general way tried to make myself pleasant to all of them You remember having some conversation conver-sation with him meeting him Tuesday of last week Yes Where did you first meet him In Hogles barroom I What took place there I came through from Second South street the bock way and came into the backroom i alcio6a eheb eC k ehe room back of the bar and saw he was there and joking and drinking I was going to dinner and I found him standing stand-ing atthe bar along with Pat Moran and I dont know who all the room was pretty well filled and they were discussing something and mae some remark about the silver question or something of that kind I couldnt tell exactly He was hammering his fist on the bar emphasizing what he was saying and I asked him to take a drink I with me and I think he took a drink I am not certain I was allowed to pay for i I asked him if he had been to i dinner saying too much drink on an empty stomach is not good or something some-thing of the kind LAY WAS PARTLY INTOXICATED State whether he seemed to T be un uta LUt UIJUU < t VL UqUU1 L 1 Jt was under the Influence of liquor to a certain extent but not what I would call really drunk Did you go then to the cafe Yes sir Anybody accompany you Yes sir Who Mr Moran I invited him to dinner also and I thought he was g Ing with us but he did not he went as far a the door and then left us Who was in there JJ at you knew in the restaurant I Cfd not notice there were a good many people sitting at the different tables Mr Law and I took a small table on the south side and I had just finished giving the order when Sloan came in and we were sitting at a small table and I said Let us move to that table And so we shifted to the round table and had not been there long before more dropped in and It was a very short time until the table was filled upI up-I will ask you to state generally and also In some detail what the topic of conversation was at that table The topic of conversation was In regard to the silver question and I think I made some remark or some of the boys did and I know Mr Law seemed a little bit flushed with liquor and was emphasizing em-phasizing somewhat and I said Stop political talk and let us eat and have a good time or something to that effect I i ef-fect That seemed to stop it for awhile I but it would break out again first with I S one and then anothersort of a general conversation Any talk about church influence Yes discussed Frank Cannons I dlseuo > ns speech I know that even after I made this remark I mark I myself got into a discussion i Something was said about Cannons S speech I said you know sp and so I and he said when you state I know so and s you put me in a false light or something of that kind it was in I regard I think to a statement of Cannon Can-non in his speech at the Theatre vir i many nominating ms rather in that speech Did you have any private conversation conversa-tion with Law at all In that ton Lw nI conversa tion No sir About what time did you leave I couldnt say I should say it was somewhere some-where close to ten oclock Who left with you That I couldnt say I know there was quite a number Did Mr Law Yes and Mr Sloan and Mr Bywater and Tanner from i Beaver left at the Wasatch corner and we were talking and saying we would send to Cannons headquarters Bywater and Tanner and we would take Law from them and separated at the AAa satch corner and went up to my headquarters head-quarters When you got there what did you do Well if I remember right we sat down and there was quite a number thE I seems to me there was one or two people peo-ple that wanted to see me private and when I get througn I said Now Mr Law we can talk with you MONSON WAS THERE Was Mr Monson at headquarters when you got there Yes I mink he wasWhat hot room did you g into with Mr Law flrst AVe went Into the room close to the north rmirvi nn > nf thn mid co n dIe roums Did you remain thee As I recall it he was sitting on the lounge there and I invited him into the other room I What did you say to him Oh I said Now Mr Law I will askwe will talk to you He sail in a corner of I the room on the lounge and got up and came with me to the room What did you mean by that what j had you done that led you to say We will talk wit you AVe had dliLiuse d I at the table some letter that had been j written to some bishop at Cache valley val-ley and they had some friend a mutual mu-tual friend who could corroborate and state that he had seemi this letter and had read it and he said if they could prove thai to him that he would quit Frank Cannon I dont know whether he said he would vote for me or not And they thought that by convincing him of this that he would vote for us because he had been very friendly to us Now state what you did when you told him to come Into the room He came Into the room and I told him to sit down and went to the door and said Sloan come In Did you sit down No sir I did not AVasthe door closed It was left open Did Sloan come In immediately Yes sirThen Then what took place I couldnt tell He said most and I think talked about this letter and whether it was he or I that called Monson I cannot say I made some remark and stepped out of the room Loft them with him Do you know where you went I do not remember whether I left immediately immedi-ately but I left in a few minutes after that and went home I was pretty we11 worn out I was under a very nervous strain and had the doctor up to see me and had no appetite and was virtually vir-tually a wreck you might say Did you go home in a carriage Did your boy come up and say the carriage car-riage was ready No sir How did you go home I walked home I had at times In the fore part of the campaign taken a carriage but being shut up in the rooms not taking exercise I took It by walking home before be-fore going to bed Did you return any more that night I do not think that I did I dont remember re-member it Did iou see Mr Law any more I believe I went into the room to get my coat and hat NEVER SAW LAW ALONE Did you at any time see Mr Law alone No sir Was you at any time alone with him any more than to step into the r mm as you have said and then back to call for Sloan No sir I was not NEARER MENTIONED MONEY I will ask you to state whether many m-any form you asked Mr Law tht night if he would vote for you an na could name his own price No sf I did not I never dreamed of it Or did you any other tine No sir State anything No sir Either directly or indirectly N 1 ling ng that could convey any such ida ta him himWhen When did you next see Mr Law after Tuesday night to converse with hun I did not see him to converse with hiit any more until I met him at the drugstore drug-store I had met him I think in t a room if I remember right i voua roc be posItive At this Doint I will ask you to state if you know or had miormation 09 t > the condition of your i nances fur elf tion on Saturday I onsider u ff tainYou You may state why you t ns4J rL it Because I had pledges of nat votes positively and as I suppot 1 I Mr Peery if he was able to go that ho would and up to the las morfnt I rather expected Peers would be there What three votes were they Mr Rideout Mr Stewart and Mr 14 senYou You had not conversed with Mr Lar sen had you No sir Had you positive information from anyone Yes sir Who From yourself and Scnatcr Evans jow was that before you met Mr Law Yes sir I will ask you whether or not if t had been suggested to you in any f > T that anybody else than those three 5 j have named might vote for you0 1is sirAVho Who Lester Taylor State what there is about that Mr Christensen came to rre and told a that Lester Taylor said that h uu < > 1 probably vote for rat that day What was said I told him tt > g > back and tell Taylor not to vote > me on rollcall if he voted at all > change his vote after rollcall and v a for me Did you state why Because I w jed j-ed to be elected with Democratic i Did you state anjthm to the cS t that you expected to be elected lj Democratic votes Yes sir About what time was that I can t tell exactly somewhere about a qj ter to 10 Had you heard anything about P P resentative Richards would perhrs e absent Yes sir ve knew that t i certainty because we ran it dinMi > ue poaiiive MICM uc imu t c v ii rv a t ± and found out that he was away Now what time as near as you ftn judge now were you called to th V phone by Law I think it was la than what has been stated here I thir kit k-it was about haIfpast ten but It a no reason for saying that my md > i C the time was correct because we v Te all excitement that morning and I i sin s-in and out and very busy at the t Now as to what he said and what you said state as near as you can ov r the telephone Mark Coons cam nand n-and said Mr Law wants you at the telephone I said Mr Law And ho said Yes I was a little bit surprised sur-prised I went to the telephone aid wondered what he could want of ire when it was near time to come dr n here I went to the phone and Mr Law says Is that Mr McCur1 I said Yes He says Con I see ycu I said Yes He sold Where an I meet you I asked Why not comedown come-down here He said No I an watched they are suspicious of me I couldnt understand what he meant and I asked Where do you want to see me He said Cant you meet me up at the AAasatch drug store I said Where is the Wasatch drugstore drug-store He replied On the corner off Second South and State MEMBERS WERE SHADOWED Were rou aware at that time of the fact or had reason to believe from what you understood that during this campaign members of the legislature had been shadowed somewhat by workers work-ers particularly where they were suspected sus-pected of being inclined to shift from one candidate to another Yes sir You understood that to be the fact Yes sir And did von have any other idea then when he spoke of being watched No none whatever What if anything did he say about voting for you or what language dI2 he use I said AVouldnt Dunbar or Harris do I am very busy He said No I want to see you personally i think I can vote for you according to HIJ conversation with your men or something to that effect Now what conversation did you understand un-derstand him to mean I suppose the com creation that happened the night before From what Monson and Sloan haL talked they said they believed Law would vote for me after he was through with Cannon + v Ea you any t n erstandlg that it this Cache valley ate was proven to his satisfaction lhat Me would leave cannon Well they had < Wel s stated t me but I never 7gae it much thought one way or ui other They had men honed it to me Wa there anything else said over the telephone I doTit remember There might have been some other things Passed I remember I said If you nave gt something you dont want heard you shouldnt talk over the telephone tel-ephone I may have said something of that kind to 111m What did you do then Went up to the drug store to meet him At least I went Into the other room and snoke to Moses Thatcher and Abel John Evans What did you say I told them that Law had telephoned for me to meet him at the Wasatoh drug store and he said he didnt know but that he might vote for me and asked them what they thought bout it Do you remember what Mr Thatcher said about i Yes sir What was it He said something like this Well he had voted for a Democrat the ilay4 before and didnt know why lie should not vote for another other Did Mr Evans say anything I believe be-lieve Mr Evans advised against i and said a would be much better for met me-t be elected by Democratic Votes I will ask you to state whether or not Mr Evans did not suggest to go and see him however a a courtesy but to tell him not to vote for you He did I think that was about his words Tha is not to otc for you until after af-ter the rollcall Yes sir x Well you went then to the drugstore drug-store Yes sir What route did you take I turned at the corner and went on the north side of the block and then walked across the street across to the corner at State street I knew there was a drub store on two corners there I didnt know which was the Wasatch Where did you first see Mr Law He was standing inside the drug store What did you do Stepped in and said How do you do Mr Law We shook hands WANTED PRIVATE CONVERSATION CONVERSA-TION Then what I asked him what he wanted of he He said lie wanted to taUt to me privately I said Let us sit down He said Well I would rather go where there somewhere private cant you go to my room I said No I havent got time and I believe I said Come down to Hogles if he didnt want t come to headquar ters knowing there was a back room in Hoglcs saloon He said No he didnt want to go in a public place and seemed rather confused and I said Hero is a seat let us sit here and I again asked him What is it He seemed sort of confused and finally hesitated and stammered and said Well I am ready to vote for you according cording to the talk I had with your men but he said if I remember his but words I do not think it Is enough I said What do you mean Mr Law I wish you would be more explicit and speak J ijainly and tell me what you iiiiaii So then he went on and in a rambling way said he was a poor man and couldnt afford this that and the Ether and that it didnt make much endtot ii g t tk eex Ufference to me I dont know exactly nil he said He seemed broken and incoherent in-coherent but he said I will vote for you today for 5000 Why I said what do you mean I have votes enough to elect me I wont do anything any-thing of the kind With that I got up and loft him and went to the counter and bought this package of bromo quinine qui-nine nineWas Was anything said after saying that you would not give him that or any o ner sum Yes gve sr I simply said I ant uo anything of the kind Thi ii what did you do I got up and wcnt to the counr HP stepped out Ufll what did you Uo 1 bought thu package of biMiio quinine and fri Pflfcl I ou and when I stepped out jw was probably ufuvn or twenty feet to the wert of the drug store He was Mantling talking to the same fellow I noticed before I noticed the fellow 1JItkularh that ne had hi overalls rli d up a brand fleV ia o a clean I ir irWas this the man that was on the vuesF stand Mr Fryer Yes sir that s as near as I can judge because cause in this conversation I noticed 7 converaton notce him At that time I didnt think there WL any trap being set for me I was 1t suspicious for a moment of a trap W 1 what did you do I stepped right on east from the door not far lini the corner and there met Jim Shields Just then I stepped on to the stepfd corner hook hands with him stepped d < nn on to the street and had not gone I I5jny lect berorc Mr Law joined me li I v n = not one side of me he stepped u > and said he didnt know but that I h would vote for me anyway and I talked in that kind of way I said I I > > u dc I dont want you to vote on roll cul1 I Vote for me if you change your I i tot afterwards Ho far did you walk with him Tot j i To-t next crossing I I Did you stop and talk any No Ii dun t think a second I shook hands > ith him and went west I supposed j lie wiut south to the joint building i How dnl you come to shake hands I I iv th him He held out his hand I Did vou give anything to him just befoie tha or when > ou separated f m hin Did you put money into I his halt No sir I did not Made no arrangeme None what I PCr Jn tho first place I didnt have the sum ho calmeD calme-D you iut any money into his hanub 1 did not lieic t liu you go from that point Suaigiit town to headquarters in the Keror Whom did you find at headquarters I really dont remember There realy rfm mLe were Quite a rev there I found I think Harris there and I cant exactly r memoer who all were there TOLD DUNBAR ABOUT IT Did rou talk with anybody about this affair at all No Yes Dunbar when he got back shortly after I got back He spoke tj me and said Is Law going to vote for you I said Xu he js a dirty semI a dishonest s > rub Mr Dunbar said Well did he say h would vote for you I said He said he might vote for meAl me-Al > out what time do you say that W u > I should judge this had gt to bo approachinging nearly 1 oclock pobabIy later I could not tell cx ai tly I know I was in quite a stale of excitement after I learned that I was going to be elected that day a jubilating a good deal at times and wondered whether the whole force would be there When and from whom did you get the first information that he was charging 01 with bribery From Fisher Harris What time a that Some time after af-ter U oclock very closely after 12 oclock if I remember right While the joint assembly was ballot Jnr or prei aiI or to orUof Yes sir Do you remember the substance of what he told you He said tha Law was making a sensational speech that he had a telephone from there and said that he had charged that he had been atmpted to b bribed or had been bribed that he was paid 1500 and that I paid him 80 down and that I had given it t < > him as I shook hands with bin on the UnIte side of tHe strfet from the drur ston l > o ou remernfxr what you said in r ply to that VII to remember jut jjieoisely I do not remember I said The dirty scrub and that Is what he meant 1 that style of handshaking They aLe me then for a ernlana ton how that wat > and I remember cither Dunbar or Herns says turned to me and looked me rlglr in the face and said You didnt give him any mono did you And I said I did not Did you < lpnonl > the handshaking to these ricn Yes sir lOW going back to that do you re I I I < < member that he did hold his had i ttyat way Yes Did you think anything pf It at that time I did not think a tlnS of it I had shaken hands that way myself sometimes having something in my hand I didnt have any Idea until I heard this Have you shown the committee how he gave you his hand No sir He simply had it between his fingers that way the two outer fingers extended that way He has got a great big hand on him and grasped my hand In that way I never struck me a the time a a thin wrong I supposed he had something holding it That was my Impression I did occur to your mind when you learned how he said the money passed from ou hand to his Yes sir Then I could account for the handshaking Adjourned until 230 sharp I |