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Show r JERUSALEM . a-- munities, however, do you feel that: the Arabs of east Jerusalem have, in any way, changed their attitude toward Israel since the "reunification" in '6 7? A. Yes, I think there's been a change. On the first day after we captured east lerusalem they all went into hiding. I think they were convinced that all their women would be raped and all their children would be taken away and beaten. After three days when they saw that we d'd nothing to them, well, they came out of hiding. In fact, today the number of Arabs living in Jerusalem is growing, and we have a tremendous number of applications from Arabs living in Arab countries who want to live here. They have been here as visitors and they want to come back. Of course, am not saying they are in love with us, with Israel, but we are living together in a peaceful way. More than this you cannot expect in so short a time as four years. Q. Concretely, what ettorts toward cooperation between Arabs and Jews can you point to? A. Arab and Jewish youth meet here on sports grounds and in working places. More and more we have joint Arab and Jewish enterprises opening up. Here in the City Hall a third of the employees are Arabs. Co into a room and look, and you won't know who is an Arab and who is a Jew; they get along very well. Q. But how about the political sphere? Except for a handful of east Jerusalem Arabs, all have refused the offer of Israeli citizenship. A. This is correct, but the real problem that there can be no political solution here in Jerusalem until there is a general political solution between Israel and the Arab states. No decent Arab can accept the reunification of Jerusalem, and thereby put himself in a position of being a traitor to the cause. We should have enough respect for them not to ask them to become collaborators by accepting something that the Arabs outside don't accept. They sit on committees with us, worK with us, yes, but they cannot be expected to officially accept reunification. To ask this of them would be asking something degrading. And wouldn't want to do is different person than I was a year ago. I non-religio- Six-D- Wall (remains of the Second Temple, destroyed by Romans in 70 AD) in the sector of Jerusalem. For 19 years Jews weren't allowed to go there. I The real problem character, you will find that their nationalism is probably much stronger than their Christianity. The Vatican, too, which has worldwide interests has . . . can't weil, sometimes been critical. elaborate on that. If you want more information, you will have to ask the Foreign Minister. Q. A final question, Mr. Kollek, regarding the Jewish tie to Jerusalem. I have heard that many Jews living in Israel, Jews, used especially the to say they had no special attachment to Jerusalem. Then, after the War, many of these secular Jews suddenly found they felt a deep tie to the city. How do you explain it? A. I can't explain it. I've seen these secular Jews Israelis and Jews from other countries I've seen them come to Jerusalem, go directly to the Wailing Wall and kiss the stones. It's a phenomenon which I can't really explain. Im a plan for Palestine in 1947, Jewish leadership accepted internationalization. Would it be feasible now? A. think internationalization would be a bad thing for everybody. It has never proven itself in any city. It's a theoretical solution which may sound very good at the U.N., but internationalization has only made for war, not peace. Q. What about the 12,000 Christians living in Jerusalem? How would you characterize their reaction to Israeli reunification and rule of Jerusalem? A. It's very difficult to answer this, because first of all there is no unified Christian position. If you ask the majority of Christians in this city the Creek Orthodox and the Armenians you will find they are very satisfied with the arrangements. If you ask Christian pilgrims from abroad, they will tell you they've had freer access to the holy places than ever before. However, if you ask churches predominantly Arabic in I Kollek's attachment Q. You, too, understand, are Have you had a similar experiI s. ence about Jerysalem? Well, have been all my life so immersed in the practical matters, and the urgencies of people, that never really got around to the emotions. Q. Seriously? A. Absolutely. I mean, I have had an attachment to Jerusalem before I was mayor. All my interests were always concentrated on Jerusalem. have collected books and maps on Jerusalem for 40 years or so. But don't think it has ever been a deeply emotional thing with me. It's more intellectual. I take a deep interest in Jerusalem and I do what I can. That is all. A. day-to-d- I I I How often have you said just that about yourself? Many times, probably because its so true. Especially true if this year you switched to Tampax tampons. They make you feel confident, sure of yourself, grown-u- p. Internally worn Tampax tampons were developed by a doctor. They give you dependable protection. Insertion is so easy, so comfortable, sc natural because of the silken-smoot- h container-applicato- All in all. youll find Tampax tampons make growing up just a bit easier. Righf from the start I I . .. 6 this. Q. Do you see political cooperation eventually? A. have no doubt about it. see the city someday being divided into boroughs or some such mechanism in which the groups would be fairly independent. The question is when. Q. How do you feel about internationalizing Jerusalem? In the U.N. partition r. I 'ft) Arabs seated in Jerusalem cafe. Traditionally, all groups in the Holy City have managed to maintain their own special customs. "We are more a mosaic than a melting pot," asserts Mayor Kollek. "And we intend to keep it that way." 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