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Show BALLINfiER, ON WITNESS STAND, SAYS -1 CLAVIS TOLD A DELIBERATE LIE i- I Secretary Never Discussed With Glavis the ! Cunningham Claims-Roosevelt Bad a I High Opinion of Ballinger-Promi-nent Women at the Hearing I Washington. April 29. Taking the stand in his own defense, Secretary Mllinger today, asserted under oatri to the Balllnger-Plnehot Investigating committee, that he would take the tame action today that ho did as commissioner com-missioner of the general laud office in ! ordering the Cunningham-Alaskan coal j -" claims 'clear listed." provided he had fNl" the same record before him. ir- "It's a wilful, deliberate lie." he ,n J enapped, when Mr. Vertrees asked JJ1' as to tho truth of Glais' statement ,0', to the committee that he had discus-rd discus-rd Cunningham claims with Hal-"v Hal-"v linger It) December, 1907. He rela;-as rela;-as ed Beveral Instances in which former President Roosevelt had Indicated con-UJence con-UJence in him. Mr. Balllnger was still on the sub-Ject sub-Ject of Alaskan coal claims when the nild-day recess was taken. The ex-smlnatlon ex-smlnatlon now passes from the Glav-: Glav-: is charges to Flalllnger's differences with former Forester Plnchot over the. I restoration to entry by him of water power sltcfi and his attitude toward conservation in general I' A social event would hardly hare at-r at-r traded a larger proportion of women I t'uhn attended the hearing today. Mrs. Ballinger was there, accompanied accom-panied by Mrs. Wlckcrsham, wife of tho attorney-general. Mrs. Plnchot. n. other of the former forester, and Mrs. Justice Lnrton also were ther;. Washington, April 29. Secretary Ballinger took the stand soon after tho Balllnger-Plnchot Inqniry began tliis morning and his attorney, Mr. Yvrtrces, at onco launched into tho direct examination of the cabinet officer. of-ficer. Before Mr. Ballinger took the stand Attorney Brondels stated to the committee com-mittee that iu view of tho fact (hat Mr. Ballinger was about to tcstKy, be would like to again calU the com-lolitco'tt com-lolitco'tt attention to his request for papers and memoranda bearlug on lhi altorney general's summary or the Glavis charges. Ho said he would like to renew his request In modified form as ho needed the papers In the cross examination of Mr. Ballinger. Alter considerable dlscusalon, tho committee decided to grant the opposition oppo-sition counsel a hearing on the request re-quest tomorrow. Mr. Ballinger then was sworu and re-counted the story of his career up to the time ho became commissioner general of the land office on the cam-."t cam-."t solicitation of President Roosevelt, Roose-velt, Secretary Garfield and Senator I'llts. He referred to the anti-vice ' crusade he led while mayor of Seattle. "They knew I would enforce the lav,, and I did." he stated emphatically, Mr. Balllnger read the telegrami he had received from Mr, Garfield snd Mr. Roosevelt after he had replied re-plied negatively to a suggestion of Senator Piles that he accept the po&t ot commissioner or me iana oinct. Reading from the Roosevelt telegram, he said: "It Is your duty to help me. Yon and Garfield will lift an immense bui den from my shoulders." It was then Mr. Ballinger decided to accept the post, and Vertrees askM the witness whether his relations with Mr. Garfield then were friendly. "Friendly, but never intimate. I knew Mr, Garfield In college." i Mr. Vertrees asked Mr. Ballinccr wuether he knew of the Cunningham (Continued on Page Seven.) I ' levv he had In the White House with President Roosevelt soon after bis fit-rival. fit-rival. Raising his voice, .Mr. Balllu-ger Balllu-ger said: '"The president said to m as ho greeted me: I have no apologies to t make rinllinper, I'm glad you aro I. ere. Any man who could dan up Si-atllo ns you did, c;m clenn up fhut land of I ice.' " i BALLINGER ON THE WITNESS STAND (Continued From Page One ) Alaskan coal claimants at the limn h became commissioner. Me said he was not aware he knew any of them at that time, but had since discovered discov-ered that he knew ahout six of them, whi-m ho named. "Did you have any interests In Alaskan Alas-kan lands?" asked Mr Vertrees. "I had no Interest In Alaskan lands or any other lands whatsoever, either directly or Indirectly," retorted Mr. Ba'.llngor emphatically. "What professional relations did you or your law firm have at that time 1 with Alaska?" "I don't recall that we represented any, with the possible exception of Watsou Allen, a lumberman, who bad some Interest in Nome In placer gold diggings " "That was alt ?" "Now, wait. I want to qualify that statement I did represent tho Pion-ter Pion-ter Mining company, which I organized organ-ized in 1901 or 1005. Its interests were in and about Nome, and It was composed largely of Scandinavians." Mr. Balllnger then told of having come to Washington and of the Intcr- |