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Show mm mm pirei ielyn; JEROME WUTH TO INiCT Lawyer Hartridge Refuses to Tell Why White's Letters to the Girl Were Not Produced in Court; Mrs. Thaw Testifies to Several Indiscretions With .Architect; Thought Them Wrong Only "In a Way"; Questions Move Her to Tears. I 1 n rpm wimmu . y yjSh in 11 'i 11! KBS. THAW VISITING HER HUSBAND AT THE TOMBS AND HER MOTHER, MRS. CHARLES J. H0LMAN. NEW YORK, FEB. 21. THE PROSPECT PROS-PECT THAT DISTBICT ATTOBNEY JEROME WOULD DEVELOP MOBE UTJBPBISES WHEN HE CONTINUED THE CBOSS-EXAMINATION OP EVELYN NESBIT THAW, THIS MOBNING, BROUGHT ANOTHER BIG CROWD TO THE COURTROOM WHERE THE TRIAL OF HARRY THAW IS BEING HELD. SOME TIME BEFOBE THE HOUB FOB OPENING COUBT, THE BOOM WAS CBOWDED TO ITS CAPACITY AND A LONG LINE WAS WAITING OUTSIDE. OUT-SIDE. THAW ENTERED THE COUBT-BOOM COUBT-BOOM IMMEDIATELY AFTER. THE JURY, WITHOUT WAITING TO BE FORMALLY CALLED. HIS HAIR WAS MUSSED AND HIS MANNER WAS EAGEB AND NERVOUS. HE CARRIED A LARGE PAD OF PAPER AND AFTEB TAKING HIS SEAT PBEPABED TO MAKE NOTES OF HIS WIFE'S TESTIMONY. WHEN JUSTICE FITZGERALD HAD TAKEN TA-KEN HIS PLACE UPON THE BENCH THERE WAS A CONFERENCE CONFER-ENCE AMONG THE ATTORNEYS AND IT WAS DECIDED THERE WOULD BE NO 8ESSION TOMORROW, TOMOR-ROW, WASHINGTON'S BIRTHDAY. WHEN MBS. THAW WAS CALLED TO THE STAND SHE GLANCED AT HER HUSBAND AND SMILED. THEN SHE TURNED TO JUSTICE FITZGERALD AND MADE A LITTLE LIT-TLE BOW TO HIM, BUT THE JUSTICE JUS-TICE DID NOT NOTICE HER. Jerome consulted his notes at some length before beginning to question the witness, and finally called her attention to her closing testimony, yesterday, in order that she might pick' up the strands of her story where they had been dropped on adjournment. . "Did you continue to believe all women wo-men were unchaste, as Stanford White told you, until vou talked with Thaw in Paris in 1903 1" asked Mr. Jerome. ' . Continued pn jag I 1 tinned to ply her with delicate questions ques-tions she broke down and. wept.. "We might take a recess; the wit-'nese wit-'nese seems " Jerome bejjan. Mr. Delmas'objected. "If there ii to be a recess, it is aot to be oa account ac-count of the witness. I think she will be able to go on." Mrs. Thaw wiped her eyes several times and straightened up. Mr. Je-Tome Je-Tome proceeded. ' , (Continued on Page 8) " ATT0 HOPE'S PEE "Very wrong!" "Not particularly; I knew people said it was wrong." "Did you think it very indelicate and vulgar!" '"That is all." "That it was only bad taste!" ''Yes." ' "But you didn't think it was wrong!" "I didn't fully realise it vtutU I went to Paris." 1 , "Did you belong to any religious organization or-ganization !" "No." "You went to church and Sunday-school Sunday-school in Pittsburg!" "Not in Pittsburg." Wrong "In a Way." "In Paris it was impressed on you that White had done you a terrible wrong!" "In. a way." "Before you left Paris you had begun be-gun to look on such relations as very wrong!" "Yes." . ' Had you eome to a full understanding understand-ing of the' infamous character of White's act!" , . "Yes; but- not so much as I have now." , "Yet it was this that induced your (Continued from page 1.) "Yes, air," replied Mra. Thaw, meekly. Visited "Dead Eat" "Do you know a' place called the Dead Kat'l" "Yes." "Where is the 'Dead Rat!" "Somewhere in Paris." "Have you ever been there!" "Yes." "What sort of place is it!" "A cafe." "Is it a reputable place!'.' "I don't know." "Did it seem so to you!" "I don't know people were sitting about eating." Saw Dancing There. "Was somebody dancing!" "I think so." - ... "Was it 2 o'clock in the morning!" "Possibly." "Did. you see a Cakewalk!" "No.' "Sura there was no cakewalk!" "There may have been. I don't remember. re-member. I remember the Russian dance." "Was it before or after Thaw proposed pro-posed that you went to the 'Dead Bat'!" ' "After." renunciation of Thaw's great love!" Delmas objected to what he thought a sneering question. Jerome denied any such thing. ''Did -you use the word 'renunciation,' 'renuncia-tion,' sincerely!" asked Delmas. Delmas Makes Objection. "If this story is true, I do," said Jerome. "Never in the history1 " "I renew my objection," interrupted Delmas. "Do you mean to tell me the story is not true!", asked Jerome of Delmas. "That's the only reason you can object." ob-ject." Justice Fitzgerald sustained the objection. ob-jection. "Did you refuse Thaw because of the occurrence with White!" asked Jerome of the witness. "Because I had been found out." "Who told you you had been caught!" ''Friends of Stanford White." "So it was not because of the occurrence, oc-currence, but because you had been found out!" This Visit-, in 1904. "How many times were you at the. 'Dead Rat'!' ' ' ?I think only once." "Can't you fix even the year of your visit!'' "I think it wss 1904. " "With whom did you go!" "With Mr. Thaw and Mr. Shubert. a theatrical manager, and another man whose name I don't remember." ' "I will whisper a name to you and ask you if the man was there." - Jerome whispered and Mrs. Thaw shook her head. . . "Was there a lady. or ladies in the think there were with Mr. Shubert." Shu-bert." . "Did you see many ladies of the demimonde there!" Didn't Use That Word. ' Delmas was on his. feet with an objection. ob-jection. "I am using the witness' 'own expression,' ex-pression,' " said Mr. Jerome. "I never .said that," said Mrs. Thaw indignantly. "Didn't you use the expression in a letter!" Again Delmas objected and was sustained. sus-tained. "Don't you know what I mean!" asked Jerome, "when I say did you see many of the bunch from the tenderloin tender-loin there!" "I think so." "Did you know Miss Winchester!" "Slightly." Saw No Cakewalking. -' "Did you see her do a cakewalk at the 'Dead Eat' that night!" "I don't remember.' "In whose handwriting is this letter!" let-ter!" . "Mr. Thaw's, I think." ' "Have you any doubt of it!" "I don't think I have." Jerome offered the letter in evidence. evi-dence. Delmas objected on the ground-that ground-that it was mutilated and the date was not fixed. . Examinnes Thaw's Letter. "Do yon know of your own knowledge knowl-edge when this was written f" r'I have not the slightest idea." "Will you note the paging of that letter!" "Yes." "Did you and Mr. Thaw while in Paris wnte joint letters to friends, you writing part and he the restt" "I cannot say positively; very likely we did." Gained Faitb In Women. "Had you changed your opinion in regard to the general chastity of women I" "I had." "How soon after your talk with Thaw did you change your mind I" "Very soon." "At the time yon left Paris in June, 1903, had you changed your mindt" "Yes." The witness could not remember how long it was after Thaw's proposal of marriage that she left Paris. "Before the time you left Paris had you any appreciation that meretricious relations between men and women were immoral and wrong t" Thaw Taught Her the Bight. "Not until after my talk with Mr. Thaw." "Before that you didn't believe it wrong!" "Oh, yes." . She Had an "instinct." "It was both together. I had an instinct in-stinct about it. When Mr. Thaw pro- Eosed, it was the first proposal I ever ad, and it all struck me very seri-ouslv. seri-ouslv. It all came together." "You felt the most heinous wrong had been done you by White!" "I didn't know anything about it at the time. All I remember is what I felt like when I woke up. I didn't understand un-derstand what had taken place." "It outraged everv maidenly instinct in-stinct in you, didn't it!" "It dia, and that is why I quarreled with Stanford Whie." "You were very bitter against White when you told Thaw, were yon not!" . "Not then." "When you felt you were giving up Thaw's love, you did not feel bitter against White!" "Not' until Mr. Thaw made me realize it." "You remember' writing to White from Boulogne!" "Yes." "Did you still feel bitter against White!" "Yes, I did." "It was a feeling of enmity against him!" "I wouldn't ssy enmity it wss hostility hos-tility against him for this one thing and subsequent things!" "What subsequent things!" "Things with Stanford White." "Were they improper and indecent!" "I don't know what you would call them." "You still were thinking of these things when you wrote White from Boulogne." Bou-logne." " 4 Yes, and of his extraordinary personality." per-sonality." "His personality had softened the feeling, had it!" asked Jerome. "In one way it had, in another it bad not." Mother Coerced Her. "Then why did you write that letter to White!" demanded Jerome fiercely. "Because my mother would give me no peace until I did it." Mrs. Thaw raised her voice as she made this reply. "You were coerced into writing!" "Yes, I was. My mother said I was ungrateful to Mr. White, and things like that." "Had you any occasion to doubt the ehastity of your own mother!" "I never thought of my mother in that way." Mrs. Thaw stamped her foot. Savr Wnlta Often. "Did you tell your mother of your first experience with White while abroad!' "No." . "How did you know Stanford' White's friends knew of your relations with Stanford White!" "One of them saw me with him at the East Twenty-second street studio." "Was there any impropriety there!" "No." , "So you1 continued to maintain relations re-lations with White after that first experience!" ex-perience!" "Yes, for a time." Thaw burled bis face in bis bands. Tears were in Mrs. Thaw's eyes. Jerome demanded .the name of the man who had seen her at the studio. He asked the witness to whisper it. Delmas Del-mas wanted it publicly announced. Justice Fitzgerald settled the matter, saying the name might be given to counsel, the court and the jury. "Did you tell Harry Thaw about these subsequent relations!" "Yes." "And yon didn't think to tell ns on your direct examination!" "No." At this , stage the testimony became highly objectionable, so THE TELEGRAM TELE-GRAM eliminates part of the confession confes-sion of the young woman. Mr. Jerome continued to press the witness for details. After several inr timata questions, he asked her why she did not tell her mother of the occurrences occur-rences in connection with White. "I was afraid. He made me swear never to tell her," replied the witness. Continuing, Mrs. Thaw admitted that White gave her wine; that she was slightly intoxicated.' Witness Breaks Down. The witness was rapidly losing her self-possession, and as Mr. Jerome con- JEROME DEMANDS THRT THHW'S COUipL PRODUCE STHNPORD WHITE LETTERS when wanted as witnesses.. Justice Fitzgerald announced he wonld hold court tomorrow and Saturday for the benefit, of the two physicians who are anxious to return to their homes.- -Mrs. Thaw .was recalled. f ?f y "Have you any objection to i letters let-ters written by -Stanford Whiter) you being produced here?" asked Jerome. . "No." Jerome turned to Hartridge. "Your client has waived her right. Will you i let me have the letters!" "I did not say I waived anything," interrupted Mrs. Thaw. "I say I have no objection." "Are you willing they should be produced!" pro-duced!" "As far as I am concerned, yes." Jerome directed a subpoena to be issued is-sued for Hartridge and the letters. He asked Mrs. Thaw If she was still in love with Thaw when she turner over , certain of his letters to Hummel. , "I don't think I was, after what II had heard." "What is the 'KKnick'!" "I don't know." I '"Wasn't there a place where the ladies la-dies of the chorus got their mail!" "I don't know." - Delmas showed the witness a letter. "Oh," she said, "I see what you mean now, the Knickerbocker drug store." (Continued from page 2.) Jerome proceeded: "When yon returned to your -home yon felt you had been wronged!" "Yes.,r . "Were you under the influence of liquor then!" "No." "The next morning did you tell your mother!" "No, I could not." "Do you know Dr. Carlton Flint!" "No." "Did you ever consult him!" "I do not remember." "Did jou ever go to a doctor with a man!" "Yes, with Mr. Thaw once." "Ever .with anyone else!" "With Mr. White." : "Did you ever go to a doctor's of-1 fice with Jack Barrymore!" ! "Never." "Didn't you go with him to Dr. Flint in 1901 or 1902!" "I never did." " "When you went to Paris in 1903 you told Mr. Thaw all this!" asked Jerome, returning to the relationship with White!" "I did." "Did he express himself forcibly!" "Ho did." Rather Die Than Tell Her. "Did he characterize White aa wrong, wicked and deserving punishment!" punish-ment!" "Yes." "Did you then think the act as bad as he said!" "I do not know!" ' ."It seemed awful to vou!" "It was the worst thing that cvei happened to me." ''Then why did you write Mr. Whiti from Boulogne!" "Because rriy mother made me." "Whv had vou not told your mothe ' about all thisf " "I could not." "You had rather write to this grea. brute, this monster, as you believed him, than toll her!" ) "I'd rather have died than teD her." is a good one. Yu must come over soon. " Jerome Speaks Kinily. Jerome asked at what date Stanford White deposited the first sum for the witness' benefit. This wan in 1901, and preceded the fund established in the Mercantile Trust company. "I don't like to state things that I am not sure about." "I djon't want you to," replied Jerome, Je-rome, in a kindly voice. "In certain letters Stanford White wrote you, didn't he remonstrate with you in regard re-gard to extravagances!" Justice Fitzgerald upheld Delmas' objection, saying the. letters should be produced. Jerome turned to Mr. Delmas. Del-mas. . "I demand that you produce certain letters written by Stanford White to Evelyn Nesbit." "I have no such letters." 'Delmas arose as he spoke. "I refer to counsel in general," said Jerome. "I never heard of the letters until Mrs. Thaw testified they were written to her while in Paris. If they are the property of someone else, I cannot produce pro-duce them." Hartridge on Stand. "We'll settle this," said Jerome sharply. He turned to Clifford W. Hartridge. "Will you take the stand!" Mrs. Thaw was temporarily excused and Hartridge was sworn. "What is your occupation!" asked Jerome. "Attorney." replied Hartridge. "You represent the defendant!" "Yes." "Have you in your possession letters written by Stanford White to Evelyn Nesbit!" J "I decline to answer." "On what grounds!" "T dcclino to answer." "Why!" "I am the attorney of record in this case, and I decline to give the District Dis-trict Attorney any information for that reason." "Have you shown Mr. Delmas any papers in this case!" "I decline to answer." It was here that Delmas sprang a genuine sensation. "This witness is represented by counsel. coun-sel. She has had occasion to retain counsel because of certain threats made against her." "What threats and where? By whom and to whom?" demanded Jerome. "Threats overheard In this courtroom. court-room. Threats that it is your purpose to Indict this witness," replied Delmas. "There has been no such statement made In court," replied Jerome calmly. "You are Mrs. Thaw's attorney also,!" asked Jerome of Hartridge. "Have you any of her papers!" "Yes." Thaw's Letter Home. I Mr. Jerome then read scraps of a letter let-ter which Mrs. Thaw had said was in her husband's handwriting. It read: I "He couldn't keep his eyes off any pretty girl. There was trouble because he went there to dine. Several beautiful beauti-ful (!) girls were there last week, and Belle. Nobody paid any attention to her, and she went away in a few minutes. min-utes. The first time she came to Evelyn Eve-lyn she never spoke. Evelyn cried. For some reason she did not perform well. I introduced the ladies to her, and they grinned sweetly. The night of the Grand Prix there was a swell time at the Cafe de Paris. Afterwards 'Dead Rat.' Miss Winchester was there, and we got her cakewalking at 2 a. tn. It was a great hit. Rosenfeld and Belmont Bel-mont were there." Mrs. Thaw identified another letter written by her from Paris. The letter was addressed to an unmarried actress and said: j Evelyn Writes Letter. "Your suggestion that the tenderloin tender-loin has immigrated has panned ont. Everywhere we go we find shady nooks. Shubert and a lot of the others are here. We were dining at the Cafe tfe Paris the other, evening when the whele bunch came in. We joined parties and went out to such a harmless place 'as the 'Dead Rat.' There was one jolly man who puts things upon the blink wherever he goes. He is SO years old, but spry as a chicken. We took him along for fun. We made things hum. "We started home when the markets were getting busy. Harry bought some strawberries and things, and I spent the rest of the day cooking. When we return my voice is going to be culti-, vated. Se good and whirl me another letter soon. Your letters are wonderful. I have got r all worked up about you, so send along another photo, if it - 0 . , - ' 1 V 1 ; 1 Hartridge Wouldn't Answer. "Given to you by her or the defendant!" defend-ant!" . Hartridge declined to answer upon the ground of professional relation with Mrs. Thaw. "If Mrs. Thaw releases you and con sents, will you produce, them!" 1 "1 cannot answer that here. T would have to speak with Mrs. Thaw and counsel." "Do you know Dr. Allen Hamilton!" Hamil-ton!" - "Yes." "Have you in your office any report from himv ' Same answer for same reasons, ' ' replied Hartridge.' At this point luncheon recess, was taken. Court Session Tomorrow Wr. Deemar and Dr.- Bingaman were called at the opening of the afternoon session and questioned regarding the probability of thier being in court |