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Show SAYS WORLD: 1ST SECURE' WAR KIOTO Rlf Choice of League of Nations Na-tions and Harvest of Triumph or Nothing at All, His Argument. Great Throng at Tabernacle Taber-nacle Hears Reply to Pleas Made by Opponents Oppo-nents of Covenant. I i "I; i r;:i r rt'torl t'lirouli the i''::1.:.1 v( na:i'.-ns o o1.iro tli harvest1 tho u''i'ry c ! won in l!ni tVul J - it i- nmliiji,. I'-''KMit WiUon ri.t x lii-t: h-: sa -1 !f th.' oppo- j n II - l hv "n-a'ji. ' TVit up or hui up.' liic :ui-i:'!i.-e which filled lie Tai!aael.' beyoii-1 its seating capr'ity lait tii'ht nrpluu-ieu for several nun-utcs nun-utcs n H'-.ham II. Fobt-ris coiH-luded hi? ad i r i r t 1 ! e Irr.itf ( na t'.ona with t : etc rema rK Mr. KobiTis iievu'.d h.is aiirr ;o na niiiutr uf t ii r :u:u-k in.vU' lat v.-.-k on i ho lo-V'io ' Major .1. K"uben Cla.-k. Jr.. and to a reply to the oli-ieetion. oli-ieetion. v.'.i.-rd to ihe pact by United Slat' s . ;:ator Ilecd Muoot v.-ho re-eentiv re-eentiv a-e out an intrrview ijuoting t lie Il:iftk of Mornion a.s auilinriry for his opposiiion to the leauo. Mr. liob-ens liob-ens rpinV'l l'rum the Hook of Mormon to v.lio'v i ht desire of the L. D. S. j I'hureh fr s'jeh a corenaiit as tlie leny. Tin,- t'ornii-r ehapiain of the 11.1th field ariillery did not mince words in dealing point by print wi;h the attack made on t ho league by fajor t'lark. SAYS ERROR DUE TO MISCONCEPTION. 'The first error of Mr. Clark,1' he said, 'rows out of his wrong conception concep-tion of the character of the league and the covenant. He said that there is nothing sacred or holy about the covenant, cov-enant, and that it is simply a contract between the United .States and the other nations. 'My point is that he represents this as a treaty between the United States on the one hand and all the remaining nations on the other hand. He draws the line of separation as between ourselves our-selves and the rest of the nations making mak-ing up the league. As a matter of fact the league of nations is to be made .up .of thirty-two signatories to the treat-and treat-and possibly forty-five. The working out of the treaty will not find us, as Mr. Clark claimed, on one side with all (Continued on Page 4, Column 3.) ROBERTS REPLIES TO MAJOR CLARK Says World Must Secure I War Victory in Speech 1 at Tabernacle. j (Continued From Page One.) I tho rest of the world on the other. Thia I bias was fchown throughout his address. ' j "Again he becomes entangled on the j I branding- of Christianity as a failure to ! do with the subjoct? i j "The only prospect in sight that there I may come to the world the Christian j heralding of peace on earth, good will j to men, is through the league of nations. j "Mr. Clark tcoffed at the suggestion I that the world wants the league. I will i tell him who want a It. Germany wants ! It. You only give her an opportunity to ! pet it and her people will convince you ! by Their sincerity. Germany knows what war its and she Is sick of it. "Great Britain wants It. The laughter In the bouse of commons of which he made much ia no more evidence that Great Britain doesn't want the league than the opposition to it voiced by a minority of ' the United States senate. Let the United States vote on the league and I'll venture ; to say tr.at more th:m SO per cent say j 'yea.'" , A considerable demonstration on the , part of the audience followed this re- j mark. j "Italy wants it." he said. "despite j Flume. She will remember her near col- j lapse toward the end of the war, when her I national existence was seriously threat j ened and was only rescued by the strong support sent to her by the allies. j subject of legal and moral obligations j to bo assumed by the United States under the league covenant. Mr. Clark deals with tltfso question by saying, 'they (the proponents of the league) ! seek, to draw a distinction between what they term legal and moral obli-, gations, and this for the purpose of . making it appear that we shall be free ! to meet or repudiate the great burdens 1 of the treaty.' This is a perversion of the facts. I deny that the league proponents pro-ponents tuck to elude obligations. The crux lies in who is to determine moral obligations. LEAGUE COUNCIL POWER DEFINED. "President Wilaon, at the meeting of the senate foreign relations committee to which Mr. Clark referred, said 1 We would have complete freedom of choice as to the application of force.' The council of the league is given power to advise, and the individual countries ane the ones who would undoubtedly un-doubtedly determine whether the advice ad-vice would be accepted or not. This advice the United States would have to pn6s judgment on according to its Conscience. "In tho legal obligations imposed by the treaty there is not the element of judgment that there is in the moral obligations.77 Mr. Roberts stated that one of the prin- ' clpal objections voiced by the opponents of the league lies in the alleged violation by the league covenant of the constitution constitu-tion of the United States. This objection, he said, is based largely on the plea that the covenant gives to the league the power to say when the United States must go to war. The distinct understanding which leaves the declaration of war in the hands Japan Favors League. "Japan wants it, notwithstanding the I refusal of the peace conference to discuss j the equality of races; notwithstanding the j demands recently made that she make some announcement regarding Shantung j and other points. j "Russia wants it. Consider the chaos of anarchy and our Inability to help her us long as we adhere to the principle of i letting nations del tie their own Internal affairs. If we could get an expression she would be ready to answer 'yes.' "France wants it. The only evidence Mr. Clark gave that she did not want it was hor demand for a separate treaty." Mr. Roberts then read extracts from this treaty, and said: "It is only a temporary treaty, which requires re-quires In itself a submission to the council coun-cil .of the league of nations when that shall be established. France, instead of expressing ex-pressing doubt as to the league, expresses confidence. "The United States wants a league, notwithstanding not-withstanding the opposition voiced to K in the senate. If the war had continued six months longer, with Its additional toll of sacrifices of life, we would desire it even more. "Will the league as proposed stop war? The preamble to the treaty itself sets forth the purposes of the league as the achievement of international peace, the establishment of Interational law among the nations. There is the provision for disarmament, the close supervision of the manufacture of arms, the pledging of the member nations under article X to defend de-fend one another against external aggression. aggres-sion. "Watch Dog of Peace." "Article XI makes the league the watchdog watch-dog of peace. Article XII provides that disputes must be submitted to arbitration, arbitra-tion, and Its terms require a lapse of nine months during which a pending war would be held In suspense. Should as many days have elasped In 1914 there would have been no world war. "The boycott against violators of the provisions of the covenant is both a restraint re-straint and a possible punishment for the warlike. Then there is the substitution of open covenants as opposed to secret treaties. "Each of these measures constitutes a great barrier against the likelihood of war. Combined thev give a practical aB- sura nee against war. No well-informed person can say that war has ended, but the league is the one great hope that there can be barriers erected against war.' At this point Mr. Roberts devoted onme moments to a eulogy of President Wilson, Wil-son, and was several times interrupted by applause. He told of how successful the president has been in carrying his case to the people; of his judgment since the time when he was governor of New Jersey, Jer-sey, and the audience laughed with him when he referred to Major Clark's quotation quo-tation from Lincoln, which, Mr. Roberts said, was directed by Major Clark toward to-ward placing President Wilson in the light of "the man on horseback who would attempt to rule by dictatorship." Book of Mormon Quoted. Mr. Roberts, In answering Senator Smoot's contention that the Book of Mormon Mor-mon opposes a league of nations, read the following quotation from the Book of Mormon, II Nephi, 12 chapter, second to fourth verses: "And It shall come to pass in the last days, when the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it. "And many people shall go and say, 'Come ye and let us go up to the mountain moun-tain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of His ways and we will walk In His paths; for out of Zlon shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. " TAnd Ko shall judge among the nations na-tions and sha.ll rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, plow-shares, and their spears Into pruning-hooks; pruning-hooks; nation' shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall there be war any more.' " of tne united States destroys the only constitutional grounds of the opponents, he added. Points Out Clark's Affiliations. "For a while," Mr. Roberts said, "I was puzzled by the lenghth at which Mr. Clark discussed" the labor provisions of the treaty, until I remembered that he represents repre-sents the American International corporation. corpora-tion. Then I understood. The reason why an advocate of a great business mo- j nopoly would not be In favor of a league of nations can be well understood when : the covenant is to include the following principles: 'That labor be not regared as' a commodity; that labor be granted the. right of free and lawful association; that the payment for labor be reasonable, according ac-cording to the conditions of the various countries; that the eight-hour day be set as a standard; that there be a weekly rest day for labor; that steps be taken toward the abolition of child labor; that men and women be granted equal pay for equal work; that equitable economics be followed in the compensation of labor; that a system sys-tem of Inspection be established over industrial in-dustrial plants In which women would have a voice.' "Of that sort of a program you can make sure the advocates of big business will not approve. "Major Clark complains about the representation repre-sentation accorded the signatories in the assembly created hy the league. In this assemblyaU countries are to have three , delegates and but one vote, save Great Britain, which has six. I think the representation repre-sentation could have been arranged on a different basis." There was some applause at this statement. j Not Sufficient for Rejection. He went on, however: "Bvr the objections objec-tions to this representation du not constitute consti-tute a sufficient basis for the rejection of the whole." Here there was greater applause ap-plause than before. "The assembly," he continued, '"s constituted con-stituted merely for unlimited discussion, not for action, to give an opportunity for inquiry. Is our own system of. represen- grO't organ. The wonderful strains of music seemed to lend an Introductory atmosphere to the discourse following. At the conclusion of the artistic rendition, rendi-tion, the applause of the 10,000 assembled was tremendous. Willard Weihe also contributed to the enjoyment of the evening, eve-ning, playing "Fantasia Appasseoreata," by H. Vieuxtemps. The rendition showed the mastery of the artist over his in-I in-I strument. This selection also met with instant favor. In fact the speaker in his oration spoke appreciatingly of the 1 selections of the two Utah artists. Melvln J. Ballard of the council of i the twelve apostles of the L. D. S. church, offered the invocation, in which he asked that peace might .be brought to pass, r.nd tha,t the time would soon come when people should beat their swords into plow shares, and their spears into pruning prun-ing hooks; when nations shall not lift i up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Among those present on the stand besides the speaker, were Governor Bamberger, President Anthon H. Lund, President Charles W. Penrose, President Rudger Clawson, Anthony W. Ivins, George F. Richards and Melvln J. Ballard, Bal-lard, of the council of the twelve of the L. D. S. church; Jesse Knight and J. W. Knight of Provo; Thomas E. Far-rlsh, Far-rlsh, state historian of Arizona: Harden Bennion, secretary of state; Brigadier General Richard "W. Young, Andrew Jen-son, Jen-son, assistant church historian ; LeRoi C. Snow, of the general board of the Y. M. M. I. A., and Edward Austin, one of the only living survivors of the pioneer company that circumnavigated Cape Horn In the ship Brooklyn, landing in Yerba Buena, an island in San. Francisco Fran-cisco bay, in 1617. Again, In refuting1 a statement of Mr. Clark In his recent address, Mr. Roberts read from the Book of Mormon, Book of Ether, 2 chapter, twelfth verse; "Behold, this Is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it, shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested mani-fested by the things which we have written." writ-ten." Reads From Covenant. In concluding, Mr, Roberts read a quotation quo-tation from the Doctrine and Covenants, section 101, verses 76 to 80: "And again I say unto you, those who have been scattered by their enemies, it is my will that they should continue to importune for redress, and redemption, by the hands of those who are placed as rulers and are in authority over you. "According to the laws and constitution of the people which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according ac-cording to just and holy principles. "That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according: ac-cording: to the moral agency which I have given unto them, that every man may be accountable for bis own sins in the day of judgment. "Therefore it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another. an-other. "And for this purpose have I established estab-lished the constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood." Mr. Robert b used this quotation to tation adequate? New York with 11,000,-000 11,000,-000 people has only as much to say about the adoption or rejection of the league of nations as Rhode Island with a population of 300,000. "Great Britain Is a commonwealth of nations, with more than one-fourth of the population of the globe and more than one-fourth one-fourth of its area. These commonwealths are deserving of a place In the councils of the league." Mr. Roberts did not end his attack on Major Clark with answering his objections to the league, but accused him of pro-Germanism pro-Germanism and brought a thundering round of hand-cdapping when he said; Pro-Germanism Charged. "I want to consider the pro-Germanism of Mr. Clark.- I want to call attention to the differences between the address he made and the speech which he had prepared pre-pared before for publication. He showed a conception that the war arose from a desire on the part of the allies to help France regain Alsace and Ixrraine. He made the charge that the treaty was 8 land steal in the face of article X of the leagne which guarantees small nations against forceful annexations. ""Ho said, 'a wise victor makes the burden fit the back of his vanquished foe. The war now closing is a monument to Bismarck's forgetfulness of this principle.' prin-ciple.' "Any man who paralleled the victory and the treaty as forced by Bismarck with the treaty just concluded by the show that if the constitution was inspired in-spired by God. Is it not possible that the league of nations also was Inspired by God ? Reads Smith's Prophecy. Mr. Roberts ajso read a personal prophecy of the Prophet Joseph Smith, founder of the L. -D. S. church, which was made at the time the prophet was nominated as a candidate for president of the United States. The prophecy was to the effect that if the prophet were chosen president he would bring together all the states from Oregon on the north to Texas on the south into a union, where all would have equal rights, where there would be no contention, but all would be "everlftstlng peace." Baaing the claim on this prophecy, Mr. Roberts declared the conclusion could be reached that If the Prophet Joseph Smith were alive today his sentiments, as then, would be in favor of a league or union that would bring peace. Apostle Anthony W. Ivlns presided at the meeting and introduced Mr. Roberts I to the audience. He referred to the J meeting at which former President Taft j spoke in the Tabernacle Rnd referred to j the audience on that occasion as one of J particular Intelligence. He likewise made j mention of the Clark meeting, and said: j "Many left that meeting feeling that I 1 If the speaker wan right, there Is no ! 1 hope whatsoever for peace In the world. The speaker tonight Is not a representative representa-tive of the greatest financial interests in the United States seeking investments abroad." A feature of the meeting was the excellent ex-cellent short musical program. As an opening number J. J. McClellan played a number of patriotic melodies on the allies, is so pro-German tnat nan his remark's re-mark's been made at the time our boys were at the front he would have been interned. in-terned. "We can't, we dare not make Germany pay the debt she owes to civilization, for then we would deal In vengeance. If you recall her crimes as cold-blooded purpose, you would then know it Is not within the German empire to pay her debt to the world. Clark's Points Enumerated. "I will refer to the points which Mr. Clark said were the principal ones advanced ad-vanced by proponents of the league and wiil accept his challenge. "The first one he said was advanced, namely, that Republicans have advocated the adoption of the league as a political Republican necessity. If that (b a reason for the league, I shall leave it to the Republicans Re-publicans to take it as they may. "Secondly, Mr. Clark quoted Senator McNary as saying that ho was game to 'try anything once.' About this statement state-ment be built the greatest possible mountain, moun-tain, and said that in criticizing the past v.-e havo challenged Christianity. We really have gotten along pretty well in the pJit, but there are some things which might bo prtvent'd in the future, such as the killing of women and children on the high seas, such as having neighboring nations arise against us at the inftlgaiion of anoth'.r power. It is quite probable that the league of nations would protect us from such acts. ""What in the name of common sense has tills statement of his cyiuerning the |