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Continued From Page One. them he jumped .up and said, 'We'll send them all to jail.' He said they wanted to cot the best man in the United States as special counsel in the case and asked me how James M, Beck, former assistant attorney general, would do. I said 1 thought he would be all right." No Action Taken. "That was before Mr. Beck became counsel for the American Sugar Refining Refin-ing company, was it not?" v asked Chairman Hardwick. J 'Yes, you know after a man makes a success as a trust buster he does not continue to serve, tho people long.7'. THe witness criticised, former Attorney Attor-ney General Bonaparte and said that, when he assumed otlice he despaired of Government action and began a civil suit in the foderalrcourt of the southern south-ern district of New York. ! "Air. Bonaparte never submitted anything except briefs favorable to the American Sugar Refihing company and thejr were very bad briefs at that," Mr. Earle declared. Mr. Earle related history of the case of the Pennsylvania Sugar Refining company organized by Philadelphia capitalists and how Adolph Segal borrowed bor-rowed money on his stock from Gustav Kisseil. who turned out to bo an agont for the American Sugar Refining company. com-pany. He will resume his testimony tomorrow. to-morrow. W. rG. Gilmore of the firm of Ar-bnckle Ar-bnckle Brothers of Brooklyn, N. . Y., told the house committee today t'ha.t trad.e sugar wars in this country had practically ceased and that conditions in the trade were very fair, though not irlftal. "Whcro does the condition fall short?" Representative Madison asked. "Tho cane sugar refiners are not making enough money." ' He attributed this to overproduction, too much refining capacity, tho beot sugar industry as now protected, etc. "If we took the tariff off tho beet sugur, now, what would happen?" "Cheaper sugar; wo would operato with half the capital and the beet sugar people would be kept at home. Wo do not like it when the beet sugar people, with a hothouse protection, invade in-vade our territory." Favors Free Trade. "Then you want free trade in sugar?" ' "Personally, I am of that mind." "Have you any reason to believe that an' unfair attacks have beep made on you by the present regime in the American Sugar Refining company!" com-pany!" "No. Of course, they are not long in their new chairs and we are keeping a watchful eye on them." "They-, are now in sack cloth and ashes, as it were?" "That's a good simile. I think that the now men in the company are good men; that they should not be charged with the sins of the past." Mr. Gillmore, who is managing partner part-ner of Arbuckle Brothers, described the war made on tho American Sugar Refining company by his firm in 1S9S-99. 1S9S-99. The Arbuckles began manufacturing manufactur-ing refined sugar in 1898 and since then have been independent of tho trust. "Wo cut tho price 25 points under the trust prico soon after wo started in West Virginia and Ohio," said Mr. Gillmore, "because the trust sought to induce the wholesale grocers in these states to buy sugar exclusively from the American. "This was in 1903. Wo kept tho price down four or five months and got the business in those states. Eventual-I3' Eventual-I3' the price returned to normal, but the American never did get back all its business in those states." The American first cut tho price under un-der Arbuckles, the witness said, from 10 to 15 points and when this was met the trust began a campaign to procure exclusive contracts.. Drastic price cutting cut-ting ceased about tho close of 1S99. During that period, Mr. Gillmoro said, hi? firm lost in the sugar business about $1,250,000. Tho witness also related how, after the Arbuckles went into the sugar business, the American engaged in the coffee business, establishing a coffee plant at Toledo, O. This retaliatiou was under the direction of H. O. Have-meyer. Have-meyer. "It was intended as destructive competition," com-petition," Mr. Gillmoro said, "to discredit dis-credit the package oofxec business, and thej- ran it to the ground i'or four or five years." j No War at Present. "Is that sugar war between" you and tho American going on now?" asked Chairman Hardwick. "No," Mr. Gillmoro answered. "There is no war, but there is an armed neutrality. Wo are watching the other fellow and doing the best we can for ourselves. We make no cuts now that wo do not think noces- 8 sary for our business. No other cuts I are made bocuuse the trust does not I attack us." fl Asked if there ever had been during fl the war any conference of the Arbuckle Ar-buckle firm with Henry O. Havcmever, to secure a working agreement, "Mr. Gillmoro replied: "I never heard oi such a thing and , am morally certain that no such confer., ence ever occurred." John Arbuckle, president of the company, com-pany, the witness said, would know positively about such a matter. Ho is 7-i years old and very feebly and a trip to Washington, Mr ''Gillmore feared, would endarrger his life. Mr. Gillmore testified that his company com-pany had made a contract to employ as an expert refiner, Ernest Gcrbracht, who later wns indicted in connection with the weighing frauds charged against the American. Gerbracht aid no work, ho said, for when he was indicted in-dicted they gave him $15,000 called 'for by "las contract and let him go. |