Show RflPERTS ASKED TO RESIGN His Course Against Woman Suffrage the Cause DECLINES TO ALTER IT IivTi11 Make His Last Speech onT on-T Monday Whitney Slakes an Oration Roasting Hint to a Turn Compared to Napoleon Na-poleon at Waterloo His Most Beautiful Similes Turned Against Him Evans Speaks Earnestly For Suffrage Other Able Speeches Kaysvllle March 30 1S93 IJ in Roberts Constitutional Con b ention Ve must ask yon to cease opposing woman suffrage or resign Party pledges are nacrcd nail must be kept JOHN G M BARNES Chairman Salt Lake March 30 1S93 John G M Barnes Kaysvllle Utah You must do what you think proper pro-per I shall not change my course B H ROBERTS The last three days in the constitutional constitu-tional convention have been filled to overflowing with dramatic incidents Selfipm before in the history of the territory has there been such a great debate as this It will live in the history his-tory i the new state Not the least important of the incidents recorded will be the sending of a telegram by the chairman of a county committee calling call-ing upon a certain leading delegate to change his course and the reply of that delegate that he would not change fcis course but would resign if that were desired On Monday Roberts will make what may prove his last speech on the floor of the convention He has asked and been granted the privilege of closing the debate on suffrage and aroused by i the overwhelming opposition he has encounleretl his full powers will come into play and the convention will be treated to one of those orations which those most vigorously opposed cannot but admire It will be a last effort hopeless from its beginning After it Is finished the convention will place the equal suffrage provision in the constitution consti-tution The debate yesterday was not less interesting than that of the day before be-fore The two events were the speeches of Whitney of Salt Lake and Eans of Weber The former differing as much in oratory as in person from Eobtris but not less able and impressive impres-sive sibjected him to one of the most scathing speeches that has been made Roberts courage was turned 10 ridicule ariti his most beautiful simile into a club against himself Evans rorlied to Roberts hi a semisarcastic and humorous humor-ous way The rest of the debate was of a jktchy kind i The Proceedings The usual preliminaries took up fifteen fif-teen minutes yesterday Rev A Kinney Kin-ney Hall rector of St Marks cathedral cathe-dral Episcopal was invitad to offer praye More Prohibition The president laid before the convention conven-tion a petition for prohibition signed by 1811 residents of Cache < wls presented I pre-sented one signed by 3700 es dents of 1 I Weber Peters presented one from I Cocinne with 24 signatures Miller i repeated re-peated one from 113 re idsnts of Sevier All were referred About Juries Evans from the committee on judiciary ju-diciary reported the following provision pro-vision on juries In capital cases the light of trial by jury shall remain inviolate In courts of general jurisdhiton except Jn capital cases a jury tall consist of eight jurors In courts of inferior Jurisdiction a jury shall consist of four juros In criminal cases the verdict shall be unanimous In I ivil cases threefourths of the jurors may find a verdict A jury in civil cases shall be I I wai led unless demanded This went to the committee of the whole At 1020 the convention resolved itself it-self into committee of the whole and Buys of Wasatch was called to preside pre-side Eldredge Starts In Evans who had the right to the floor yielded to Eldredge who said he acKl no set speech and whatever he SRSrht say must come from the re eO roes of hi ° own soul He claimed that man ard woman are inseparable What Is good for one is good for another an-other What is hurtful to one is hurtful hurt-ful to the other He had heard a new doctrine when the gentleman from Davis county had said that the franchise is not a right but a privilege given by a government Where do governments derive their power From the people What would governments be without people Power is from all the people This was recognized by the fathers who made the constitution of the United States and pledged that the United States should guarantee a rcpublican form of government gov-ernment to all the states He said a republican form of government means a form of government which gives representation rep-resentation to all the people whether men or women He traced the history of the two platforms and said that no man who vis elected on either of them could be honorable and refuse to vote to carry out the pledges contained in them The Republican Platform lIs there anything In the Republican Republi-can platform which pledges us to place woman suffrage in the constitution asked Mackintosh Yes It says w2 favor equal suffrage suf-frage was the answer But that does not pledge that we put it in the constitution said Mack Intosh HClW will you give It then asked re err e-rr Jwiv tfcrough the people was the P J reply Let the legislature do it There are more ways than one of carrying out the platform There is no pledge to put it in the constitution Eldredge made no reply to this but continued with his argument He said he would rather not have statehood than have dishonor But he had thought all gentlemen in the convention conven-tion were In it to place another bright star on the flag which was more glorious glor-ious men because It was designed by wo Bitterness of the Past He took up the minority report He said the expression of fear of a return to the bitternesses of the past was unjust un-just He thought all that feeling had been buried in the past He pledged his sacred honor that the Mormon people peo-ple would never have it again except in selfdefense He had not heard that in the politics of the territory since division di-vision there had been any discrimination discrimina-tion between Mormons and Gentiles Raleigh of Salt Lake I am surprised to hear the gentleman What ha Mormon or Gentile to do with this proposition I thought we were here a Democrats and Republicans Several voices That is right Eldredge refer the gentleman to the minority report That brought up the question He then continued his argument on this line He said there was no need for fear and he would vote for suffrage suf-frage Kearns very nervous and angry claimed the floor but it was given to Evans of Weber Sink or SwIm Evans said sink or swim live or die survive or perish he was for woman suffrage He claimed that the courage in the matter did not lie with that man who stood out alone against woman suffrage but with those who were trying try-ing to give woman full liberty The old injunction of the Bible has been used for centuries to keep woman wo-man from having her rights He admitted free speech was better than a throne but in America the throne is the ballot box Ho was ready to stand and enthrone women He was not afraid that statehood would be endangered by this action Grover Cleveland whatever might be said of him was not the one to neglect neg-lect his duty He would not refuse to issue the proclamation The people would not refuse to uphold the action of the convention in this respect I they would not he was willing to endure en-dure another term of territorial vassalage vas-salage until the time should come when the right could be given Not One of Fear But the question was not one of feat What if the fathers of the revolution had said that they were right but they were afraid they could not make headway head-way ngahist the overwhelming force of < England But there Is only one question Is it right Is i fair He admitted the franchise undervall law was a privilege not a right But the convention was making fundamental law I was proposed to give a Tight to woman by the terms of that fundamental funda-mental law a right absolutely indefeasible inde-feasible Courage to do this was wanted He did not believe the suffrage would drag woman down from her pinnacle into the mire of politics and unsex her I he believed this he would work against woman suffrage platform or no platform But he oted for the I plank In the Democratic platform lIe believed in I at the time He believes In it now There was no issue He fitood with the Republicans for the nonor or nis party and for the honor I of Utah He did not believe that women would be dragged into the miro of politics I women are better than men why not disfranchise men and give women the franchise But there are bad men and good women and good men and bad women The only question ques-tion was as to the right to vote Woman Placed Lou In the enabling act negroes who had been slaves before the civil war were given the right to vote So were Indians In-dians if they would sever their tribal relations The meanest bummer could walk proudly up to the polls and cast his ballot while intelligent women could not He believed it would be expedient to give woman suffrage I would be right He would Vote Till the last armed foe expires Vote For our altars and our fires Vote For the green graves of our sires Woman suffrage all the time Whitney said almost all the arrows in his quiver had been shot away by other speakers He had a few left and he would like to have a chance to shoot these before they were used by someone some-one else elseKcaras Ivcarns Against Suffrage Kearns said gentlemen had referred I often to Roberts oratory but not one has referred to the facts He had been on the stump with Eldredge But the latter had never referred to woman suffrage He represented 1200 good women of Summit who had not peti tioned for suffrage and who did not want it Their husbands would vote against the constitution if that were in it He was willing to take action and go back to the women of Summit and tell why he did i I they did not like his action they could send down a suffrage man and lay him fin the same grave as Roberts He would be proud to lie there He was not willing to have his wife locked up with the ordinary ordi-nary Jury while he was at home giving giv-ing attention to the baby He was not willing to have his wife in a party caucus He was not willing to place the thing in the constitution nnd make the people take that or nothing He would assure the others i would endanger en-danger the constitution because thousands thous-ands of men would vote against the document on that account He wanted the matter left to the legislature When the people were ready for I he was willing to have i Mr Vhltnej Oration To him it was a battle of destiny that was in progress and such battles were won before they were fought The success of the womans movement move-ment was a foregone conclusion I was less from a desire to speak therefore there-fore than to respond to a request made of him by many upon the patience of the committee He had listened enraptured to the eloquence of the gentleman from Davis county whom he not only admired as a gifted man but esteemed as a personal friend He could not but admire the courage he had manifested and while listening to him had searched historic memories In vain in quest of r hero with whom lo Compare him He thought first of Horatius at the Roman Ro-man bridge standing singlehanded and alone beating back the Tuscan legions advancing to attack the Eternal Eter-nal City But he could not compare him to that hero for Horatius was fighting for freedom and the gentleman gentle-man from Davis county was fighting against It Applause He had next thought of Leonidas and his three hundred Spartans defending the pass of Thermopylae against the overwhelming over-whelming Persian hordes sweeping down like an avalanche upon their native na-tive land but again the comparison failed since Leonidas and his band were battling for liberty and the eloquent elo-quent opponent of woman suffrage was not taking part in any such engagement engage-ment Applause And then said the speaker I thought of an anecdote one that is doubtless trite and commonplace common-place to you allthe storv of the bull and the railroad train The train had the right of way through a farmers pasture and was in itself Invincible I Continued on Page 3 WJBHRTS ASKBD JBERTSRBSfflN TO RESIGN Continued from page L but the bull disputing that right and preferring his free thought to a throne applause and laughter planted himself squarely upon the track facing the locomotive which ccAne thundering on The bull did not seem to know what was coming but the farmer 13 ovner did With a gasp of astonishment mingled with surprise he exclaimed Well I admire ad-mire your courage but dn your judgment judg-ment Here the house went wild The applause and laughter having subsided Mr Whitney resumed But I did not like to compare my friend to a dumb animal He had given convincing con-vincing proof that he was not dumb True there was once an animal who spake laughter the property of one Baalam laughter but he Bpake by Inspiration from on high so that I could not compare him to the gentleman gentle-man from Davis county Uproarious Jaughter and applause At last he had thought of a proper subject for comparison He was reminded re-minded of that memorable dayJune 38 1815when the representatives of banded Europe stood facing upon the field of Waterloo one bold brave desperate des-perate man the representative of Imperial Im-perial despotism The events of that dreadful day had passed before his mxjstal vision The speaker gave a gS jhlc description of the great battle and then went on to say that nil this had occurred to him during the first days discussion He regarded the battle bat-tle as over but found next day that he was mistaken He had not been witnessing wit-nessing Waterloo at all but Leipsic and it was to Elba not to St Helena that the defeated Napoleon had txn sent He had returned Insisting that he hid not been conquered and had entered upon a new campaign Then Waterloo came indeed The speaker felt not like a participant in the strife but rather as some wandering Childe Harold moralizing upon the battle field standing upon this place of skulls she grave of an empire the tomb of ambitious hopes and desires Roberts Seeming Imputation There were one or two things in the oration of this eloquent friend that he dd not much admire Running through it was a seeming imputation that all who opposed him were actuated actu-ated bv motives less noble and l honorab than his own he alone stood for principle and all his opponents were Indulging In maudlin sentiments I seeking for womens smiles and reach ing after laurel wreaths with which It was intimated fair hands were waiting wait-ing to bedeck their brows Said the speaker I have seen no laurel wreaths I saw a banquet of roses I laughter yesterday standing upon the table at my left Roberts seat I I suppose it was Mr Thurmans Roberts near neighbor for he is one of those vbu have been reaching after such things laughter but I noticed theft it was Mr Roberts who walked aw < G with it after adjournment Re newell laughter Following is an imperfect synopsis of Mr Whitneys subsequent remarks Because a man stands alone amid the wreck of matter and the crash of worlds he is not necessarily right nor more sincere than his fellows Sometimes Some-times majorities speak with the voice of God When Sumter was fired on it was the minority that spoke but when the great north arose and burst like a whirlwind of conquering wrath upon secession it was the voice of the majority ma-jority the voice of omnipotence which paid The unKn must and shall be preserved pre-served True romanIsts usually choose their heroes from the ranks of the minority Lucifer Is the hero of Paradise Lcstone of those bold independent in-dependent spirits who dared look the omnipotent tyrant in his everlasting face and tell him that his evil was not good But was he right Lee Jackson Jack-son and Beauregard are the romancists heroes of our great civil strife but the Lincoln Grants Shermans and Sheri dans were no less the instruments of Providence to put them down It was the voice of the minority that spoke at Sumter but It was the voice of the majority that thundered at Shiloh Gettysburg and Appomattox Minorities have been right as a rule in the great crises of history but not always Majorities Ma-jorities may sometimes have truth and justice on their side and he believed it was so with the majority of this conventicn who were favorable to woman suffrage All Pleas for XoiiProprresslon jfrjl the pleas against it lire pleas for n regression for stagnation Such notes are not harmonious with the morning stars singing of progress and advancement Politics could be and would be something more than a filthy pool In which depraved men loved to wallow It was a noble sciencethe science of government and would yet be lifted to a loftier plane And there was a glorious future for woman commensurate com-mensurate with the higher state of things thereby indicated She was meant for something more than a wife mother and housekeeper These however how-ever admirable were not the sum of hflr possibilities The womans movement move-ment was one of the levers that was being used to lift the fallen world nearer to the throne of its Creator It will need womans refining and civilizing civiliz-ing Influence to effect it And what matter if In the process some corrupt Institutions perish some narrow notions no-tions are destroyed that are held by those who assume to know already what Is the acme of womans refinement refine-ment and civilization Let truth and error er-ror grapple and let the fittest survive sur-vive I stand here for progress ando and-o both for man and woman wo-man Old things are passing away I All things must become new Gentlemen Gentle-men say Go back to caucus and re I jbonsider your resolve I say to them Come up higher and I will show you things that must be hereafter Carrying Out the Comparison The gentleman from Davis county had compared woman in politics to the lear Missouri mingling with the turbid I tur-bid Mississippi and showed that after the junction the clear and sparkling stream was never clear again He neglected to add that the blending n hers h-ers were on their way to the ocean where all that was muddy and unclean un-clean would sink to the bottom where I It belongs while all that was pure and clear would swell the limpid tide of the selfpurifying unpolluted sea the image of eternity the throne of the invisible Applause Who pretends pre-tends that man alon or woman alone Is conducting this great march of progress pro-gress There is an overruling Providence Provi-dence divine plan and purpose into which as into the ocean all the rivers riv-ers of human thought and action run and rest assured that the great result will be pure pureA A God Given Right Womans right to a voice in the selection se-lection of those who rule her whether in the family the state or the church Is a Godgiven and inherent right It existed before constitutions and will exist after them That governments derive their just powers from the consent con-sent of the governed was true before the immortal Jefferson blazoned it with pen of flame The speaker then referred to the fact that In the church to which he and many of the members belonged women voted as well as men The gentleman from Davis county himself who held a high ecclesiastical office in that church was elected taereto by the uplirteU hands of the ladies whom he now said ougnt not to be permitted to vote The speaker had heard him thunder eloquently elo-quently from the pulpit in defense of the doctrine of each souls free action and separate and independent re sponsibility n It was against nnu the very genius of his religion to argue that I 1 women were not in a situation to act independently He knows that no pure woman need be dropped down with her besotted spouse because he chose to make his bed in hell If it be right fQr women to vote in the church why nt right for them to vote in the state There should be no union of church and state but the latter need not fear to follow the formers liberal example Speaking For Americans I am speaking to Americans ito lovers lov-ers of freedom who believe in ithe divine di-vine mission and destiny of their country America standing like a goddess in the midst of the earth holding aloft the torch that shall kindle and illumine the nations 1 How can she go forth to evangelize and liberate lib-erate the world if the gyves are upon her own wrists if half of her own children are in chains Is true freedom but to break Fetters for our own dear sake And with leathern hearts forget That we owe mankind a debt No true freedom is to share All the chains our brothers wear And with heart and hand to be Earnest to make + others free This was written for the colored man but why not apply it to the white woman and the colored woman Mr Whitney closed as follows I am and have ever been an advocate of woman suffrage for I believe it to be a step in the march of human liberty Its course cannot be stayed As well try to check the mountain torrent or the mi hty waters of the Mississippi thundering onward to the sea Those who attempt it will be thrust aside and the great procession will sweep on without them It is the invincible march of freedom the pageant of eternal eter-nal progress and no power can withstand with-stand it If this convention fails to act favorably some future convention will so act and gazing upon our record with reproach will crown her brows with the glory we have denied Mr Whitney was vociferously applauded ap-plauded as he took his seat and after adjournment was overwhelmed with congratulations and compliments from both Democrats and Republicans Gem ties and Mormons including many ladies Whitney held the convention until 1245 He was cool and contained during dur-ing all his argument and made an impression im-pression less openly enthusiastic than that made by Roberts but his oration was not lacking in the rhetorical graces which had characterized the oration of his great rival The two efforts were superb each in its different way and one can scarcely choose After Whitney finished a recess was taken until 230 In the Afternoon When Chairman Buys called for order at 230 Roberts and Squires both claimed the floor The latter was recognized recog-nized Sonlrfes Speaks Again He said but few of the antiMormon element had spoken and he thought he would say a few words He would rather have voted at once but since the discussion had taken such a wide range he must take part He was bound by the Republican platform If the ladies had been converted by the magnificent argument of Roberts he would have felt unbound But no such conversion had been made Democrats Demo-crats had claimed that the Republican platform meant nothing He denied that He had believed from the first that the party had been true He asked his fellow members not to go back on that platform He branched off and made a partisan speech charging the Democrats with having been untrne to their platform Not Stir Up He warned the minority of the committee com-mittee not to stir up the smouldering embers Let the dead past bury its dead Let the old fights be forgotten in the new era when men and women I will only remember that they are citizens citi-zens of Utah He believed implicitly in the division He believed the manifesto I released any fetters which might have bound the people When slaves have once had their fetters struck off they I i will never consent to be bound i again No man would allow the dominant i domi-nant church or any other power to come into his home and Influence his wifeHe He was not bound by the Republican caucus No vote was taken He admitted I ad-mitted however that several members from the lower counties had admitted that they would be afraid to go home unless the convention put this provision pro-vision in the constitution He wanted to allow them to go home On that ground and also on the ground of party pledges he would vote for suffrage i A Bombshell Roberts said he wanted the floor a moment He did not purpose to open the discussion again But he asked that he be given the privilege of the floor to close the debate He said he asked this because he was under peculiar pecu-liar conditions This speech was probably proba-bly the last he would make on the I floor of the house There was a peculiar minor note in his voice as he spoke He looked around the hall and the people waited almost painfully for his next words He fingered a yellow paper in his hand In a moment he had opened It I have received this telegram from the chairman of the Davis county Democratic committee He read We must ask you to cease opposing woman suffrage or resign Party pledges are sacred and must be kept A Gasp of Surprise He again paused There was a gasp of surprise in the convention Delegates looked at one another and waited in suspense Again Roberts proceeded I have sent a reply he said saying say-ing You must do what you think proper I shall not change my course If it shall be shown to me he continued con-tinued that the Democratic party of Davis county really desire my resignation resig-nation I shall retire from this body Therefore I ask that I be given the courtesy of closing this discussion Kimball was on his feet and moved that Roberts be given half an hour to closeAn An hour said Elchnor Kiesel was on his feet in an instant Give him all the time he wants he said Creer was willing to give Roberts an hour more but he wanted Thur man to close Driver of OgdenI move that Mr Kiesel be asked to pay for all the time he uses over an hour Kiesel emphaticallyI agree to do so with the greatest pleasure Applause Ap-plause Thnrmnn Protests Thurman said he wanted to make a few remarks He said he did not think Roberts had never heard a Democrat say that he was wanted no more in the party He regretted very much that such a man should differ from the great body of his party associates on such a question as this But he I spoke for the Democratic party when he said that the party could not afford af-ford to lose such a man This was the i first occasion on the floor of the convention con-vention when he had been called upon to speak for the party He wanted to I say that Roberts had boen a tower of strength He would be loth to part company with such a man He gave assurance that the Democratic party would never desire to do so If the gentleman left the party it would be on his own volition and not because the party desired it Several Republicans wanted to cut Roberts down to an hour However this disposition was squelched and he was allowed all the time he wanted and the privilege of closing the debate de-bate During the course of his discussion i discus-sion Kimball said If the people of Davis ask you to resign they are bigger fools than I think they are i Goodwin move a vote of want of confidence in Davis county Barnes on Roberts Barnes of Davis said he wanted to say a few words for the people of Davis county He regretted that the step had been + itaken to ask Roberts to resign He was afraid it might bethought be-thought premature He was a friend of Roberts and yet he wished to say that the Democratic party of Davis felt it had been supported properly by its delegate The following letter had been sent to Roberts Dear Sirour attention has been called to the position you are taking in the convention regarding woman suffrage and we are informed in fact The Herald says as much that you are looked upon as a leader of the opposition on the floor of the convention conven-tion This position is not in line with the sentiments of your constituents and further in the county convention that nominated you a resolution was presented and adopted favoring equal suffrage and requesting our delegates to work for it Our campaign locally and territorially was conducted with this as an important plank 5n the platform In view of these facts and the further fur-ther fact that Davis county is so overwhelmingly over-whelmingly in favor of an equal suffrage suf-frage provision in the constitution we feel it our duty to ask you not to oppose op-pose the suffrage plank If your con vttctions will not permit you to vote in favor of it you might at least remain re-main inactive in the matter and thus save our party the humiliation of having hav-ing their pledges broken We hope you will give this matter favorable consideration Respectfully yours JOHN G MtBARNES Chairman Democratic County Committee Com-mittee HENRY H BLOOD Secretary Paid Xo Attention He said Roberts had not paid any attention to this letter The people of Davis county had heard of these I thongs and it was evident that they had stood the thing as long as they t could He had been the man who had informed Roberts on his return I that the convention of Davis had not bound the nominees but that was because waiting to hear from cause they were the territorial convention He could to go back on see no way however S and retain his the partys pledges honor He believed party platforms of of aggregation an were the pledges and should be only more binding than men the pledge of one man He would believe there is not have the people no honor in politics politicshouldtie He said suffrage should be given He was not afraid that the Mormon wo people would use men or the Mormon those who were their power against not of their faith unless they were forced to it by the acts of the latter not resign should He said Roberts honest in his convictions He believed he was honored him for standing He victions in by them But he could not follow m the belief that party pledges are not binding Office Sought the Man said suffrage was Larson of Sanpete He decided the a foregone conclusion its merits many years ago question on scould eloquence that could and not all the could move him He said the be shown of Sanpete were far enough women advanced to want the suffrage He was willing to let his wife voteIf is Democrat and I am a republican she a laughter But publican Uproarious politics He told quarrel on we little never romance of how the office had a the sought him instead of him hunting office He said he couldnt speak English Eng-lish well but he was ready to meet all comers in his own language A Little Surprise not Howard of Emery said he had his wife to vote for been asked by for the suffrage But if his vote would a he would give her the point glad carry surprise He believed every dele county was bound to gate from every give this the t o Creer said it was a shame LUmen > I LU-men should be placed on the same and with idiots insane persons plane personsThe The handed Indians I the red cured idiot even or and insane the person Indians mi ht night civilized and thus gain theIr become But women were to be kept suffrage Iven lower than these creatures were even He considered the suffrage movement 1n the line of progression The Republican Stand said that he never had heard and James never had held that the Repub themselves that licans had pledged suffrage plank in the there was to be a constitution The only provision was be submitted should that the question article to the people as a separate This is what he said to all the speakers out chairman of the ers he sent as county committee Mackintosh said the argument of Whitney had convinced him more than ever that the suffrage plank should not be placed in the constitution He had been surprised when the latter had brought in church matters He thought those things should forever be kept out of politics But the fact that 2000 women voted for Roberts for a high office under the church made him afraid that 40000 women of the territory terri-tory would so cast their votes in politics poli-tics Heyburn said he was pledged to suffrage suf-frage as were all the members of the convention To attempt to refuse it would be like carrying water on both shoulders Kiesel a Convert Kiesel said he had been converted to woman suffra theoretically But it was not practicable in Utah It placed too much power in the hands of the clergy An endeavor is being made to assimilate the old Peoples and Liberal parties Now the proposition proposi-tion comes to increase the vote seme 30000 and so increase the difficulty He said fourfifths of the population of the state will be Mormons If there were more churches he would not care because he believed that in the discord dis-cord of the churches lies the safety of the state He knew there was a denial de-nial that the power would be use L But one must judge by human nature It is in human nature to take advantage advan-tage of power He could hardly believe be-lieve that the Gentiles would not take advantage of power If they had it When the proposition came irom the other side it was suspicious He was rather against suffrage for a time yet Miller of Sevier said he was fledged ito i-to suffrage He did not want his wife ito i-to come in hanging tp his tail He thought if woman suffrage were defeated de-feated it would be the liveliest corpse even seen in Utah Driver said Kiesel could nev > r be a suffragist For thirty years he had been growing away from it Driver said he was not a suffragist because his wife was a leader in the movement He would not endeavor to influence her vote but he thanked God both were Republicans He said women of Utah have never been slaves As to bullets behind ballots he wanted to say that if all the men were locked up this country would furnish a fighting fight-ing force that would surprise the nations I na-tions Morris said James assertion that the Republicans interpreted their platform I to mean that they were to submit a separate article on woman suffrage I was incorrect He said the whole people I peo-ple understood that the party was bound to place a provision in the constitution con-stitution He would not disfranchise I women because of the dirtiness of politics poli-tics He would rather disfranchise the men who did not know the value of the franchise and give it to women He would rather let statehood go than to have it without suffrage What a I kingdom could there be without women wo-men He would not leave the question to the legislature as then corruption might be brought into play The committee arose at 455 and the I convention adjourned |