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Show Mays, Aaron Differ on Progress of Negro Baseball Players Page 14—THE HERALD,Provo, Utah Sunday, May 2, 3971 By IRA BERKOW NEA Sports Editor samehotels with whites in cities like Chicago or Cincinnati or Pittshurgh or St. Louis,” said Mays. “Now we can go or eat anywhere our white teammates can, That's a helluva progress.” Aaron, who broke in with the Milwaukee Braves in 1954, recals that he could stay, for example, in the Chase Hotei in St. Louis, but he had to eat his in his room because NEW YORK—{NEA)—Before Jackie Robinson entered the major leagues in 196, there were no black players there. Now, every team has a few and some have several. Willie Mays i . Henry beholder. q ing has changed,” said MayMays. “We're like stagnant water,” id Aaron. ; said Mays compared thesituation in hotel accommodations between now and the time he came up with the New York Giants in 1951, at age 19, as an exampleof changing times. “Blacks couldn't stay in the hotel cafeteria. “Now we can eat in the cafeteria,” he said. “If that’s whatyou call progress,well, all right. But I don’t. “T mean,that's not enough. I: don’t think Negroes have advanced a darn since Jackiefirst came up. 0.K., so we've helped improve the game and attendance at a time when Outdoor Roundup baseball was at the bottom of the have tu say I'd want the same blacks,either. Baseballis still a thing.” totem pole in this country. ing. Mays added, “If I were an Aaron contended that blacks “Since Jackie came up, we still don't have any black owner, I wouldn’t want all still must be regulars, for the managers or any black executives or any black general managers, and nobody but Monte Irvin in the commissioner’s office.”” most part, though he does admit there are exceptions, like his brother, Tommy, who is 2 reserve with the Braves. “But you rarely see a black ms‘ sitting on the bench making $40,000 a year, like you do Mays and Aaron agreed that blacks don’t alwaysget the same chance to make a ball club as whites. They said there was a definite conflict between the artistic and thefinancial. “Too many blacks on a team, or on thefield at one time, is unpopular with owners and many fans,” said Aaron. “Owners fear that fans want a certain amount of whites, even though they may not be as good as some black. I’m not talking about the superstars, I’m talking about the average big leaguer. “In this day, andif I were an ownertrying to make money, I'd Aaron and Mays, each in the twilight of a sensational career, must look ahead to post-playing days, “That’s where we havea long, long way before we catch up with our white teammates,” said Aaron. “Blacks have contributed as muchto the gameas whites. White superstars like Ted Williams and Stan Musial pay me myworth, they couldn't get great jobs, great paying jobs affordto paytheother 24 players in baseball when they’re or the secretaries in the front through, but what about the office or the bat boy.” Jackie Robinsons and Larry Endorsements are another Dobys? point of contention with Aaron. “We owe baseball something, progress in baseball, or sports in Hesaid that if Mays were white but baseball owes us something, general. But progress so far? I he probably would have made too. We play 15 or 20 yearsin the can't see it.” whites,” said Aaron. “And notice something else. 4 lotof blacks in the major leagues three times as much in outsidebaseball earnings as he has. “And look at Baltimore,” he added. “Why should Brooks Robinson make twice as much on either. For two reasons: One was that I played in a small town, Milwaukee; the other was myrace.” are not American. They are often Latins, from Puerto Rico or Cuba cr South America, who get signed up cheap and are broughtin by the boatloads.” Mays—who Aaron said has been treated better than any other black in baseball—feels he is not being paid enough,either. “But,” said Mays, “if they did Willie Mays Hank Aaron gameandour lives are wrapped up in it. Me and Willie and Ernie (Banks) aren't really prepared to be involved in anything but baseball. “You know, we're considered supergiants on the field, but when we comeoffthe field we go to the backof the bus, again. Oh, I've been promised a lot of things when retire. but words— what good are words?” Aaron and Mays both see blacks emerging as field managers in the neri two or three years. “We keep progressing ir all areas in baseball,” said Mays. “Td like to see more black baseball executives, more coaches, mure umpires, even more secretaries in the front offices,” said Aaron, “Basically, westill have a long way to go before Negroes make any Sears 18-Month Guaranteed RETREADS By CASEY BOWN MayOffers Real Promise For Fishing on Lake Powell Tworecentdays at Lake Powell and no chance to fish. So a pox on the wind whichlifted the tumble weeds through theair, clouds of dust, and white caps tipping high waves even in the sheltered coves. LISTED Wewere at the Wahweepareaat lower lake’s end andall pre-trip reports said the bigger bass wereon the feed.In fact, C. 0. Larry Fieldstold us limits of bass to four pounds were common and the takeoffillet size crappie equally good just the day before we arrived. 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