| Show IT STILL DRAGS ON The Evidence Adduced Before Judge Anderson Yesterday CHAS W PENROSES TESTIMONY 3Ie Refuses to Answer Certain Questions and Is Given Until This Mornin to Decide That Mythical Green The examination now in progress in the district court before Judge Anderson was resumed yesterday morning when the following evidence was heard MHS UAIUJAIIA BRIDGES I am the wife of Henry Bridges My first bus lauds name was Martin Warden I crossed the plains ISC Never heard of a man named Green being killed in the camp The first time I ever heard of a man being killed at Green River was about two years ago My son George drove theteam he started with through to Salt Lake city Never knew a man in our camp named Green Knew of a woman named Sur ridge being killed and an aged man dying To Dixon I married my last husband twenty three years ago I live at East Mill Creek Think I lived with my first husband about four years We separated on account of polygamy When he took another woman he treated me very badly asked to be treated just as good as the other oman He said hed be damned if I be would My son William first asked me last night to come into court I was asked if I had heard of a man being killed If there was one killed I did not know it My son drove a church t team I still belong to the church but dont know whether Warden does now or not I gavo my consent to his marriage and was at the wedding wed-ding which took jJace in the Endowment house Could I not tell how long we were on the road Think all who started on our train got nere l never missed any one When we arrived in tho city I got out at ths Eighth ward square and t W ilont know where the wagon went to after that No one ever Intimated or told me that my first husband ought to be killed when he apostatized There were seventyfive or one hundred people in the train To Mr Young George Sergent drove the team ahead of us Behind us were Mr Toilet and Mr Surridge The Court Do not think this killing is material ma-terial it is merely an incident It is getting away from the main question It docs not matter mat-ter whether this man was killed or not There has been sumcient negative testimony on this I point i Mr YoungThis i Is the first time I ever heard sIS ftfe 7nt Inf rn i i of a man who was killed in this way or blood atoned Uaskin Did you ever hear of Ike Potter I Le Grand YoungIke Potter was a noted desperado des-perado and was not a member of the Mormon church and never went through the Endowment house The CourtIt is proper that we should know whether Green was killed or not but I will treat the question as if it were already disproved by the evidence I Le Grand Young We propose to produce this man Green who was alleged to have been killed I and his sister who Is in court to day He was I not in the trambut Wardell testified that Green lived at Farmington or near there and we wish to prove that Green is the only man by that name who ever lived there and that he is still alive The CourtIt makes no difference whether Green was killed or not the main point now is I to show whether there ever was an oath taken I in the endowment house contrary to the law of the got ernment E n WOOLLEY Ueealled hare been through the Endowment house several times but the last two times it was for dead friends The ceremonies are just the same 1 have a general recollection of the ceremony There never was a requirement of annotating the arm to avenge the bloodjof tne prophets The ceremonies are just the same for women as for men as far as I know To DixonI first went through tho Endowment Endow-ment house about twentyfour years ago Nothing Noth-ing was said about baring the arm to make it strong to avenge the blood of the prophets Dixon What was said about itr WitnessSomething was said about prayine to the Lord to avenge the blood of the prophets proph-ets The CourtYou speak about ceremonies to the dead Explain I dont understand it Witness We believe that the same endowment endow-ment should be taken for the dead as the living Marriages here are for eternity The court If you have a friend you may pass through the Endowment house for him Witness Yes The CourtCelestial marriages are for people 1v ho arc dead Witness She will be his wife if she accepts itThe The CourtIt is a common occurrence to be married in this way WitnessYes The CourtIn the Endowment house marriages mar-riages are for eternity WitnessAll other marriages are temporal only J E UVXGFOUD Know Gilmore and am acquainted with his reputation for truth and veracity it is bad To DixonNearly call his neighbors have spoken of it He has been in trouble with his neighbors ever since he was in that neighborhood neighbor-hood ISAAC wmrAKER reside in Brighton Have Known George Gilmore ever since he bought property in that place His reputation for truth and veracity is very bad C W Penrose was sworn and took the witness wit-ness stand but at this point It W Young desired de-sired to present some documentary evidence and Mr Penrose was seated An extract from a pioneer pio-neer address delivered by Wilfprd Woodruff and published in volume 50 of IheMUlennial Star concerning con-cerning the building up of a state that would bean be-an honor to the American government was first read + a The next extract was from remarks made by 1 Elder John Taylor in the tabernacle in March 1665 in which was stated that the Saints owe allegiance al-legiance to the government and the Elders had no right to dictate otherwise or interfere with the government Next an extract was read from volume 17 of the Journal of Jicoartet in which was a sermon delivered in 1674 by Brigham Young regarding the establishment of the kingdom of God and Its benefits Mr Young then read from vol 1 of the fni ht Jotrnal of Discourses containing a speech by George A Smith delivered July 4 1M2 The last extract read was from a sermon delivered by Brigham Young on April C 1833 which referred re-ferred to and defined the endowments C w PBSROSK was then recalled and testified Have resided in the city about ten years and resided in the territory about twentynine years Am and have been a member of the Mormon church about forty years Have been editor of the Jtstr Fees ten years Prior to this I edited the Ogden Junction before which I was a merchant mer-chant in Cache county Have been engaged asa as-a preacher of tho church Have preached throughout the British Isles Germany Switzerland Switzer-land Denmark and some parts of the United States I am one of the presidency of the Salt Lake stake and second councilor to the president presi-dent What I would state would be authority only so far as it agrees with tho doc tilnes Every one who speaks is supposed to do so as the spirit dictates The term church and kingdom of God are sometime used synonomously but they are distinct The 1 kingdom of God is still in embryo The king of the kingdom of God is Jesus Christ and He is the only one and there can be no kingdom of God without Him This is the belief of the church The Doctrine and Covenants is authority author-ity on this subject That revelation section 58 mesas 21 to 23 tells us to be subject to the powers that are till Christ shall come That is a command of God through Joseph Smith the prophet There are other commands of the Mime nature as section 98 verses 4 5 and 6 section sec-tion 101 verses 76 to 60 In regard to the difference differ-ence between the church of Christ and the kingdom king-dom of God President Brlgtam Young in July 1855 delivered a discourse speak lug ot the time when the kingdom of God shall be established This was read from by the witness it declares that the Ida dom of God grows out of the church of Christ and that the agency of man shall not ga inter fend with The discourse also says that the Hag of the United States will be defended and abstained by a free people In another discourse fSCdfle ese 7 Jfof course published volume seven Journal of JKtcourtci are the remarks of President Young on the divine inspiration of those who established estab-lished the government of the United States and a declaration that the Latter day Saints will sustain the principles of the constitution of the United States Tho sayings of Orson Pratt on the organization of the kingdom of God were T read tram Mr Penrose stated that some of the writings of Orson Pratt had been disapproved and ha bad afterwards made a confession that hngn r J lie had been wrong This confession read from President Young in referring to Orson Jt Ygfn nrwrtO tsJt Kingdom of God and Great First Cause said that Brother Pratts vain philosophy philoso-phy was no guide for the Latterday Saints The kingdom of God is to exist in the future we understand that to be Bible doctrine The germ of the kingdom is in the church but it cannot be established till Christ comes when as the Bible this world ChristThe kingdom of this world mil become the knjdom of God and His Christ This was referred to by Isaiah John and all the prophets The priesthood have not no-t to coerce They have a right to control the temporal matters of the church but not of the people President Young hollered he had the right to counsel all things when he was ticked even to the darning of a stacking Ho rare advice only when men come to him for it Sot the people could follow his advice ornot just as they pleased The priesthood kayo no an = fJ compel obedience to its mandates Any exercise of that power is contrary to the laws of the church If a man does not conform to the church laws the penalty is excommunication excommunica-tion A section of the Doctrine and Covenants was read by the witness showing that the priesthood had no power to coerce The question ques-tion was raised by the prosecution as to whether this section was published in all the first editions edi-tions Witness sail theywereas far back as he could remember Court then took a reoesK until 2pm A CHAJTGE OF BASE Upon the court reassembling in the afternoon after-noon Judge Anderson announced that Judge Zane would need the court room for the > trial of a jury case The legislative chamber of the city hall had been secured and an adjournment would be taken thereto There was a rush for the doors and a stampede of the spectators for legislative chamber Before the officials the court had reached there the chamber was more than half filled with the mob and later it was crowded almost to suffocation LeGrand Young announced that the defense had sent for several witnesses to disprove the killing of the man Greenoldresidents of Farm Ecgton where Green was Bald to have lived They would testify that no man by that name had ever lived there He then called Mrs Grover Gro-ver Mr Millard and Mr Smith to come forwasd and be sworn swornMILS MILS EUUA GROVER I have lived in Farmingtou nearly thirtythroe years I know every person who lives there now and knew all who ever did live there A man named Green once lived thereIn 1802 He was my brother inlaw He now lives in Wells ville Cache county Xo other man by that name ever lived there I never knew of any man who ever lived there being killed on the plains No man by the name of Green ever lived there or in that vicinity JAMES MILLUD I I have lived in Farmington since 1K3 I There wasnt a Jhouse in the townsite when I went I there I knew all the people who have ever lived there I knew a man by the name of Isaac Green He was my nearest neighbor I saw him last in 1883 here in this city No other vicinity man by that name ever lived in that town or I JAMES T SMITH have lived in Farmington since 1831 1 Knew Isaac Green who lived there years ago No other man or family of that name ever lived there or In that vicinity No man who ever lived there ever met his death on the plains C w PENKOSE was again called and continued his testimony The Doctrine and Covenants is a standard work of the church and has been formally accepted as such at a general assembly of the church held in 1880 Several additions have been made to the book as accepted in Kirtland and these were included in the book accepted in 1881 and it was binding upon the members of the church The article I read from this morning was in every edition of the Doctrine and Covenants that has so far been printed The authority and power of the authorities of the church were announced an-nounced in the Doctrine and Covenants If a member of the church were to teach principles that were antagonistic to the church doctrines the revelations would holdnot the teaching The president had the right to receive and announce an-nounce the word of God to the churchthe whole churchbut the people were not bound to receive them The Doctrine and Covenants shows this to be the case The witness thn read various extracts from the book in question in support of his assertion The witness quoted from a sermon delivered by Brigham Young in 1805 in which the speaker said it was nothing to him whether his neighbors neigh-bors agreed with him or not If men did not believe be-lieve in his advice counsel or teachings they had a perfect right to disbelieve in them and he would find no fault with them for so doing It had often been taught that the Saints should not rely entirely upon the teachings of their leaders but should seek the spirit of God If we cling to the Lord and enjoy the spirit it would lead us day by day As for supporting the oneman power I have never asked any man to sustain me The young people have aright a-right to do as they please that was their free agency but they should be careful of their actions ac-tions I believe in the one man power and that is the God in heaven who made the earth and controls the action of men I know of cases where the people have opposed op-posed the will of Brigham Young At one time he went down to the Third ward and nominated a man for bishop but the people would not have him and the man was rejected in the presence of Brigham Young The people wanted their old bishop Bishop Weiler He was voted in later I know of no doctrine of the church that would give the president of the church or anyone any-one else the right to kill any one Such would be contrary to the church doctrine I never heard such doctrine taught at all I preached a sermon in the Twelfth n ard in which 1 gave the views of the church on that matter I think I understand what the idea means The views enunciated at that time were read by officials of the church and were announced to be correct There was a pamphlet published containing the sermon delivered by me The crime of murder has always been held in abhorrence ab-horrence the man who commits murder shall not have forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come This is the doctrine laid down in the Doctrine and Covenants The Bible was II also a church authority on this subject If a man committed murder he should be given up to the laws of the land There has never been any dissent from the doctrine as laid down in the New Testament The Bible Book of Mormon Mor-mon and Doctrine and Covenants are the threo standard works of the churcheach one corroborating corrob-orating the other The witness then described what the doctrine doc-trine of blood atonement meant as he understood under-stood it and as it had been explained by him in the lecture or sermon delivered in the Twelfth ward He showed that it was of an entirely different nature than what was popularly supposed sup-posed The witness then read an extract from a sermon ser-mon delivered by Brigham Young on the killing of Dr Robinson in which he urged that the men who did the deed should be punished even if it were found that the perpetrator was himself The general sentiment of the Mormon people was opposed to the shedding of blood I have been engaged in preaching the doctrines of the gospel for over thirty years and am I consider very generally posted on such matters I have been a close student of the doctrines I embraced em-braced The extreme penalty for disobedience to the church is excommunication there is another an-other penalty called disfellowship There is nothing in the Endowment house ceremonies that is in opposition to the United States there I is nothing taught there that authorizes the killing kill-ing of any human being the doctrine of polygamy polyg-amy is not taught there The Articles of Faith were formulated by Joseph Smith and areas follows L We believe In God the Eternal Father and in 1 His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost 9 We believe that men will be punished for I their own sins and not for Adams transgression 3 We believe that through the atonement of Christ all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel 4 We believe that these ordinances are First Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ second Repentance third Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins fourth Laying of hands tor tho gift of the Holy Ghost 5 We believe that a man must be called of God bv prophecy and by the laying on of hand by those who are in authority to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof 6 We believe in the same ordinances that exIsted ex-isted in the primitive church viz apostles prophets pastors teachers evangelists etc 7 We believe in the gifts of tongues prophecy proph-ecy revelation visions healing interpretation of tongues etc 8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God 9 We believe all that God has revealed all that He does now reveal and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the kingdom of God 10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the ten tribes That ZIon will be built upon this continent That Christ will reign personally upon the earth and that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisic glory 11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty Al-mighty God according to the dictates of our conscience con-science and allow all men the same privilege let them worship how where or what they may 12 We believe in being subject to kings presidents pres-idents rulers and magistrates in obeying honoring hon-oring and sustaining the law 13 We believe in being honest true chaste benevolent virtuous and in doing good to all men indeed we may say that we follow the admonition ad-monition of Paul We believe all things we hope all things we have endured many things and hope to be able to endure all things If there is anything virtuous lovely or of good report or praiseworthy we seek after these things JOSEPH SMITH To Dickson came to Utah in 1861 I joined the Mormon church when I was eighteen years of age I was naturalized in this city before Judge Titus It was not in open court I have taken the oath presented in the Legislature I received amnesty and pardon from the President up to March 1889 The document I received was not only amnesty but pardon How many wives have you now Mr Penrose objected but the court thought the question was a proper one under the circumstance circum-stance Mr Young objected The great magistrate of the country wiped out whatever crime or offense the witness may have committed by granting him amnesty and pardon Mr Dickson said he proposed to show that the witness had violated the law of his country after he had sworn allegiance to it So late as 1834 the witness had preached that the law against polygamy and unlawful cohabitation was unconstitutional un-constitutional The court allowed the question It was proper for the court to know whether the witness had violated the laws of his country or not Dickson How many wives have you I I decline to answer Why Because it would tend to criminate youiNo No Well then I insist upon an answer Might as well Oat it Mr Young again urged that the witness did not need to answer the question Mr Dickson said the answer could be compelled com-pelled although such evidence could not be used against him Mr Penrose replied that he would like to ex plain privately IQ the court why be declined N answer the question He had good reasons for his refusal and could explain them Mr Dickson thought there was no legal reason whoan answer Bhouldjnot be given The witness should be treated with the same consideration as any other witness but no more He asked that witness be compelled to answer or be punished pun-ished The Court said he was surprised at the refusal to answer the question and could not allow the request of the witness The other side have the right to Insist upon the question being answered but if it might be agreeable the witness could have until this morning to answer Mr Young did not know what reasons the witness wit-ness had but suggested that he be given until this morning in which to decide whether he would or would not answer Mr Dickson did not oppose the idea of a delay but protested against the witness setting at defiance de-fiance the courts He has no reason to decline save that he wanted to decline Mr Young did not think the dignity of the ccurt would be injured by an adjournment Such precedents were numerous and In this court too Mr Moyle said he did not see what injury could be done To press the matter now looked like vindictiveness Mr Dickson disclaimed that he had any such idea and Mr Baskin said Me too The court had hopes that they could have gone through this examination without anything of the kind occurring but as the other side had insisted upon it it was their right R W Young did not consider that the dignity of the court would be trilled with by an adjournment adjourn-ment until this morning The Court I think Mr Penrose that it is jour duty to answer the question Mr PenroseI respectfully ask time to consult con-sult with my attorneys until tomorrow mornIng morn-Ing I have no intention to insult the dignity of the court but would like that time Mr Williams got in a little work The CourtIt is now near adjourning time and while 1 think it is my duty to Insist upon the answer being given now I shall allow the wit nets the time he asks Adjourned until this morning ot 930 oclock |
