Show Weather Man Only 88 Per Cent Right Scientists Show Experts Admit Rheumatics Can Generally Be Depended Upon If you go on a picnic Saturday and the rain ruins your new hat liat dont don't get peeved at the weather man just because he ha had assured you that it would not rain He Is right 88 per percent percent percent cent of the time and just just happened happened hap hap- to go picnicking on one of the twelve out of every days his predictions predictions pre pre- dictions are wrong And if you live to be you probably probably ably will run into that same thing again because in spite of the advances advances ad ad- vances made In meteorology the weather man never will willbe be right more than than 90 90 per cent of the time These and other interesting facts about our weather were disclosed Wednesday at the annual convention of the Pacific division of the American Ameri Amen can Association for the Advancement of Science The disclosures came during discussions of explorations of ot the stratosphere and what bearing discoveries made in this way had bad on weather forecasting If It rheumatics get to achin achun him and he lows as how were we're going to have a spell of weather dont don't turn up your nose at his pr pre pre pre- diction The chances are he Is right these learned men gathered here from all parts of admitted Wednesday There are they said peo people pIe In certain small areas who can forecast the weather as accurately as asa asa a trained meteorologist but accurate predictions for a large area can be made only by scientific methods T TORRENTIAL FLOODS Torrential floods in Utah such as those experienced in FarmIngton are not out of ot the ordinary it was brought out in the meeting because they occurred as far back as as 1852 and are liable to occur again any time rain begins to fall faU In torrents Dr Herbert H. H KImball president of the American Meteorological society society society so so- who was chairman of the meeting meet meet- ing lag the fact that every thing possible is being done to further further fur fur- ther pierce the stratosphere to study weather conditions There lare are so many factors involved involved involved in in- that it Is Impossible to forecast forecast forecast fore fore- cast the weather per r cent right he declared However this year we are areS making many special studies with free balloons and already have sent up recovering of the them n. n These ballons have been equipped with Instruments to record weather elements clements Those that we know of have ha gone ten miles mUes into the sky while others others' have been lost in the stratosphere EX EXPLAINS LAINS FORECASTING J J. J Cecil Alter head of the Salt Lake office of the weather bureau explained ex cx- that he is Js called upon daily to forecast the we weather ther despite the fact fad he Is not a forecaster and is a He said that he does doss interpret the weather locally although although al al- a- a though the predictions nS for Salt Lake and Utah are Ire responsible to the district dir dis forecaster In Denver We lWe have to make a forecast every cry everyday everyday day he declared whether or not we know what the weather will actually be Smoke elimination In Salt Lake can n only be rought about by getting at atthe atthe the source J. J Billeter assistant city engineer told the group After the smoke once leaves the chimneys s 's It is isa isa isa a hopeless case he said He pointed out that individual homes are producing the bulk of ot the smoke and arid not industrial plants This be he said was also true In irs Pittsburg where it has always been thought that plants were responsible for giving It Jt the name of the Smoky City Dr Hyrum Schneider professor of geology y at the University of Utah dIscussed discussed dis dir cussed weather observations as la laboratory lab oratory material in teaching climate He said that cyclonic control dominates dom- dom mates nates our weather during the late autumn autum and spring and that it changes quickly He stated that weather veather produces high and low pressure pressure pressure pres pres- sure control resulting in cloudy weather and storms Professor Schneider Schneider said said that due Continued on Page Pace WEATHER WEA THER MAN USUALLY RIGHT Continued from rare Pare Seten Suen to o the mountains surrounding the valey val vat Icy ley ey Salt Lake is not subject to to tornadoes tornadoes tor tor- or cyclones If It persons person are interested in fri accurate accurate ate and correct temperatures temperatures' they should acquire aCQ good thermometers thermometer S. S R. R Boswell county agricultural agent and weather observer at Richfield Richfield Rich Rich- field said in a paper read at the meeting To register accurately the rise and fall of or the the temperature he declared a a thermometer should be a as good as asa S a good watch He said that the success or failure of or farming operations in Sevier court conn ty Is dependent on on the weather Rain snow winds and frosts and extreme low temperatures all have in influence on agricultural production During the past ast 10 years there has been a tremendous tremendous tree tre tre- tre d demand mand on the part of farmers farmers farm farm- ers to know what prediction can be made for tor the future on oct the basis o othe of the past he said Clarence R. R Kallquist assistant meteorologist at the weather bureau airport office pointed out the dom nance of down slope winds over th the Inland Inand ice cap of Greenland He spen spent two years with the University o of Michigan Greenland expedition SHOWS SIMILARITY He showed the similarity of upper air conditions of Mount Evans Greenland Greenland Green Green- land and those at Fairbanks Alaska H He said this glacier anticyclone does exist over the ice cap but due t to lack of reports it is hard to say t to I what extent above the surface The electric service men whose duty it is to find out about the weather er or have learned by experience how to sense approaching storms col cold waves and other conditions besides how to use to the greatest advantage the information which only th the weather bureau can supply H H. H H. Krueger of the Utah Power Light Ligh company said At the afternoon session Half R R. Woolley senior hydraulic engineer of o othe the United States geological survey told the group that throughout mt i nUe periods prior to the advent o oman of ofin man in western United States Stales violent rainstorms and cloudbursts occurred as they do today CORRECTS CONCLUSION There is nothing to warrant a con con- elusion they are more frequent an and severe than always he declared More than 56 torrential floods occurred occurred oc oc- oc in Utah from 1852 to 1850 1856 from Brigham City on the north t to Kanab on the south They are no not net new In Davis count county In tho the meeting of the economic entomologists entomologists en the beet leafhopper an insect which carries the germ that tha causes the disease known to sugar suga beet raisers as top curly was studied and discussed Dr J. J C. C of the Un of Utah and Dr Franklin S. S Harris Harris' of Brigham Young sity who have studied the Itne beet leafhopper leaf leal hopper in Ji various western sugar beet bee sections stated the insect is the beet bee Industry's greatest foe It can live In the desert and breed the germs gern which can be carried on the wind fo for distances greater than miles Since the germs are arc not all bre bred In fn the beet fields Dr Harris Harr said jt it is impossible to exterminate them I with disinfectants The greatest ai aid In the battle against this pestilence are the kinds of lizards that are found in the beet fields The The lizards ca eat the insects he said VISIT BEET SECTION SECTION The regular afternoon session o othe of at atthe the entomologists was dispensed wit with and the members of the society mada made madea made mad a field trip to the beet raising sec see near Salt Lake City Open forum discussions were conducted con can ducted for the Chemical cal societies Technical points were j discussed by both grou groups Professor Bailey Baney Willis WillI of Stan Stan- Stanford Stanord ford ord university will speak on Earthquake Earthquake Earthquake Earth quake Habits of Many Lands Wednesday Wednesday Wed Wed- at 8 p. p m m. in Sessions will wUl be beheld held Thursday California Professor Yarned Named by Scientists I Officers to serve the ensuing year I were elected at a business meeting Tuesday night in Kingsbury hall hail h by I the Pacific division American Amerian Association Mao Asso elation claton for or the Advancement of o Science featuring the annual four four- day convention which o opened ned Mon d day Dr Joel Jol H. H Hildebrand professor I of chemistry at the te University of California at Berkeley was wa elected president president succeeding Dr W. W F F. Durand Du Du- rand and professor emeritus of sity sUy ical cal engineering at Stanford Unable to t attend the sessions Dr D. D Hildebrand telegraphed from his home that he would accept acet the te po po- po sion p BERKELEY SELECTED I is s The Te Berkeley 1934 convention city selected Dr Ernest Ere G. G Martin Marti proCor professor professor- of physiology at Stanford university was reele reflected vice vIc president and ad Dr J. J Murray Murra Luck assistant aitt professor of biochemistry at Stanford was reelected reelected re- re re elected elect secretary The new president achieved a Te rep rep- re during the World war In the chemical warfare service serice of the te American Amerian forces forces' force and ad served sere as director director di die rector of the chemical warfare service service ser sere vice laboratory near Paris Pari later directing directing di die experiments Divisional meetings were held during dur dur- lag ing the te afternoon with wIt Dr J 1 J. J W W. McBain professor of chemistry ai at Stanford delivering one of the mosi mt mo interesting addresses s oe of the te day At a general meeting Tuesday Teay night in i Kingsbury han hall Dr H H. H H. Kimball of Harvard university delved Into Ito the subject of meteorology one of the te oldest sciences which he said sad ha has been closely coly related to t the te development de do- dej of man Dr Kimball said that Aristotle the Greek Grek philosopher was wa the author of ol the oldest work on meteorology of which there is i a record He outlined the study of of the weather wether from fro as asfar asfar a far back as a B. B C C. until the te present preset G. G F. F Shaw University of at California Cal Call Cali- fornia was wa elected elet president of the Western Weter Society of Soil SU and Science at a m meeting ting Tuesday afternoon atron at atte atthe atthe the te University of Utah Uth Other officers off oUi- cers ces elected ere ore W W. L L. L Powers Oregon Ore Ore gon gora State college vice vic president and anda B. B G. G Martin Martn University of California Califor Califor- nia ala secretary A A. A D D. Leuschner professor of astronomy as at the te University of Call Call- Cal fornia and ad A. A R B. R Davis Davi of the te school schol of at agriculture at the same se university were elected to the executive committee committee com corn of the Pacific division at al the te tese se session lon in Kingsbury hall hail hl Tuesday night S. S |