Show DtfNS fOR MCUNf MAKING STRO N G SHOWING Evidence That an Election Was Absolutely Certain Without Law Last Saturday Prosecutions Star Witness Fryer Visits the Committee In a Happy Condition By the evidence introduced at yesterdays yester-days session of the investigating committee com-mittee It was shown that A W Mc Cune had no motive whatever for buy motve Ing Representativ j Law or anyone else on Saturday last for he was certain of election by Democratic votes Senators RIdeoat and Peer and Representatives Representa-tives Larsen and Stewart had been assured sured Km on the first ballot that day and these four votes with the twenty eight he had the day before would have elected him with one vote to spare for only thirtyone were necessary to a choice that day I was stated too that another Republican Representative Representa-tive Lester Taylor who has since voted for Mr McCune had also offered to vote for him on Saturday hence he would have had two votes to snare without that of Mr Law which he is charged with attempting to purchase for 1500 And it was proven that Mr i McCuue knew all this before he went out on the solicitation of Mr Law to meet him on the street corner where he Is charger with having given Law the money These facts were related by Fisher Harris Mr McCunes campaign manager i man-ager and i is worthy of note that they were most of them brought out under the crofasexammation of David Evans who represents the other side of tease te-ase Mr Evans tried hard to weahen Mr Harris testimony but the result was a material strengthening of the chain of evidence by which it Is beinr shown that A W McCune never has even attempted to use corrupt means to secure his election to the United States senate There was an incident during the day that to Its witnesses the members of the committee and others was very amusing Mr Harris was under cross examination and the little room was very still Suddenly the door into the senate chamber burst violently open and in reeled Robert Fryer the prosecution prose-cution star witness the man whom they so sedulously guarded for three long days Fryer was exhilarated and dressed up Though his testimony had smacke not at all of the sea his roll ing gait proclaimed the sailor His appearance indicated affluence or excellent ex-cellent credit for he looked as if black care had entirely departed There was no doubt about his condition His hat ias on the back of his head and his watery eyes wined gdodfellowship to all in the room He looked about a moment as his finger pushed at the door bthind him Then he lurched back against i hard slamming it Bracing a moment t get his direction he described de-scribed a graceful parabola toward a vacant chair missing i by about four ftet and bumping up against the chimneypiece chim-neypiece Senator Whitney had seen I his maneuver so had Representative bt Sorenson The others could not see the man a their backs were turned toward to-ward him But Charlie Augustson the doorkeeper door-keeper had perceived the whole affair and in a jiffy he grabbed Fryer and despite the latters drunken protestations protesta-tions and struggles he waS soon outside out-side the room and the door was closed When the committee adjourned a hour later Fryer was found sitting at ease In a big chair in the senate chamber I where the sun shone over his sodden features sound asleep and snoring The I last thing the committeemen saw as they left the chamber was Fryer still sound aseeD and Janitor SIddoway poking him up with a stick in an effort to awaken him A young man who saw Fryer when he first came to the building said he was searching for 0 P Pratt his custodian during the period per-iod of his delightful restraint at the Knutsford and Pratts home Fryer insisted when the sergeantat ems was putting him out that he had a right in the room as being a principal character In the cast LAW TURNED UP Mr Van Cott stated at the opening of the session that he had intended the t se0n te night before to tae Representative Laws deposition but he had learned that Mr Law had ben down town on that day and that he had promised the sergeantatarms to come to the committee room This Law had failed t do and Mr Van Cott demanded that he be sent fo Senator Shurtliff ordered SergeontatArms King to I bring Law before the committee but I just at this juncture Law came limping in on his own account Mr Van Cott then moved that John I W Hughes testimony be stricken out on the ground that a it was a third I partys statement it was incompetent I Before replying Mr Evans asked that he be permitted t ask Mr Ivins who was on the stand one question Did Mr McCune eve secure your services or interost in his behalf was asked He asked me early in January If I I would talk to Jackson about securing his vote and I said I Would replied Mr Ivins That was the only convur I I sation we ever had on the subject Did you yourself o Jackson make I the remark in Senator Chambers office that when Jackson came to McCune he would come to stay I did ° neT of u made i and I believe I admitted then that admltte the Jack II son dtaffl dId not disclaim hIs statement or disaffirm dsr it or say he was not author ized to speak for him I i7Then ilr Evans hm rose to answer Mr Van Colts argument as to the Hughes testimony He said that he had shown I that Mr IviiS Was an agent of A W A xr McCune and hence the evidence was competent I the defense had objec wa ted In the first place said Mr Evans I to the evidence evidece of Hughes it is per fectly evident from the votes of the committee already taken that the objection ob-jection would have been sustained But were not to be found playing the baby act at least We stand upon the bro principles of common honesty and Justice honesy justic re torted Judge DIckBon A NOTEWORTHY ADMISSION I beJieve that Mr McCune has been treated unjustly by the introduction of Hughes evidence went on Mr Evans and it ought never to have been admitted ad-mitted Mr Stewart moved that the evidence be stricken out and It carried by a vote of 5 to 2 Mr Howell and Senator Shurtliff being the only ones to oppose it Mr Howell explaining his vote vOe said that he was not a lawyer but a I Hughes testimony had already been given publicly Mr Ivins reply ought also to go before the public and he favored the opening up of the whole matter On your last conversation with Fisher Harris Mr Ivinsv asked Mr Thurman did he not mention the word carriage in connection with the word en I think not Ivins replied He did use it in the conversation arMer in the evening Representative Law was called to answer swer one question for the defense We are not clear Mr Law said Judge Thurman as to who you said made the appointment with you for the meeting Saturday morning I was made by R W Sloan You had made no appointment with Mr McCune No day Did you see Mr McCune on Fri dayI I did not speak to him after Tuesday Tues-day until I met him on Saturday morn ing at the Wasatch drug store COOKS CHARGES AGAINST FAR Representative D S Cook wa colled I to explain his charges against Aaron Far but after a lengthy wrangle between be-tween the attorneys Mr Cooks tcstii mony was ruled out as against Mr McCune It being stipulated however that before the committee ceased its work Cook and Farr should both be called and asked to clear up the charges Judge Dickson in objecting to the admission of Cooks testimony said that Mr Farr was not an agent of Mr McCune that he had lever been so considered by anyone and that it would not be justice to use any statements state-ments he might have made against Mr McCune Senator Howell favored the admission admis-sion of the testimony He said that it had never been claimed that the proceedings pro-ceedings of the committee should be 1 strictly in accordance with law I i had been he would b incompetent to I sit on the committee for he was not a lawyer and did not know all the legal points that would be necessary in such case Attorney Evans asked the admission of the testimony on the ground that Cook had made statements of alleged suspicious actions on the part of Mr McCune and I was right that the committee should look into them and not let the defense close his mouth Representative Sorenson thought that I the statements of every third party who might allege things against any candidate were to be investigated then the cartoons In the papers would I have to be investigated Representative Stewart thought it a matter between Mr Cook and Mr Farr I II and then Representative Cummings I moved that the evidence of Cook be n dt f if not admitted as against Mr McCune I I This was earned unanimously Senator Whitney then said that in his I opinion both gentlemen should be summoned sum-moned before the committee and < re commitee ad examined ex-amined together before the committee ceased its work This met with much favor and will doubtless be done Senator Abel John Evans was the last witness to be called by the prosecution prose-cution His testimony was simply a to the conversation with Fisher Harris over the telephone during Represent tive Laws speech Saturday morning after which he had announced on the te I Jloor that he was authorized to state that the Law charges were absolutely absolute-ly false that Law had offered to sell i regIoI his vote for tto and that Mr Mc Cune had told him to g to hell He corroborated the statement and was then dismissed This closed the prosecutions cae THE DEFENSE OUTLINED Waldemar Van Cott made the opening statement for the defense He summed up briefly the evidence that would be I introduced referring to Laws statement state-ment to exSheriff Turner that i the contest were going on in Idaho or Montana Mon-tana It would have been settled long I ago and that McCune ought to get down to business He mentioned the conversation between Law and Major Stanton when Law said he would put a stumbling block in McCunes pathway path-way and that with John Quillan and < Carl Hard when he said he expected t spring a Montana sensation in Utah Mr Van Cott said that it would be shown that Law and McCune were never alone one second in McCune headquarters that at the Wasatch drug store Law made a proposition to sell his vote for 5000 and that Mr McCune refused i that Mr Mc Cune got up and left that Law followed him across the street and there they shook hands Law expressing ex-pressing the hope that their friendly relations re-lations would not be sundered He would show he said that before the conversation with Law had occurred Mr McCune had received assurances that he would be elected that day with Democratic votes and had already asked one Republican who had promised prom-ised to vote for him not to do so He also expected to prove that R W Sloan had heard slanderous statements about W G Nebeker and had gone to Nebeker a a friend and told him that these statements were being made about him In concluding he said he should show that Fisher Harris had told E G Ivins to go and see if Jackson Jack-son would vote for Mr McCune Ivins had said that he feared he might not be able to find him as it was late and the cars had stopped and Harris had said Find him and make sure if wear we-ar going to have his yote Take a carriage three carriages if necessary Damn the expense Fred Turner exsheriff of Cache county was the first witness called forte I for-te defense He told of meeting Law son objected to any further crossex I amination of Sheriff Turner of Repra sentative Laws chartEr a he had not j been asked to testify with reference to I I it on the direct examination Mr Evans 1 acceded and on his motion all that portion I i por-tion of the examination was stricken tout t-out After telling that whatever he had j i i done in Mr McCunes Interest during the campaign was done out of friendship friend-ship Sheriff Turner was excused John Quillan testified very briefly concerning the conversation In Hogles saloon In which Representative Law had said UIn case Mr McCune is elected well spring a Montana sensation sensa-tion on the people He also testified that Mr Law had added I a certain i man would stick to what he has said he could say that he had McCunes money in his pocket right now W A Stanton was called to tell the conversation in the Onyx Bank when Law had said that he had a scheme i which would put a stumbling block In Mr McCunes path to the senate I I Then came Fisher Harris Mr Mc i Cunes campaign manager He de I scribed the conversation between him I seif and E G Ivins in which it had been charged that he hinted at bribing 1 Jackson I told Mr Ivins early In the evening even-Ing that It was very desirable said I he that we have the Jackson vote the next day as we w tr desirous of showing I i I show-Ing a gain over Saturdays vote Late Iin i the evening Ivins came back and sdI sd-I that Jackson would vote for us the I next day but that he was pledged to i Judge King for a certain number of ballots I asked him to find Jackson I gain and make certain whether or not i he would vote for McCune He said that I I he had loft Jackson at the Cullen a i I few moments before and then looking at his watch said he was afraid Jackson Jack-son might have gone home or to some resort about town I told him to take a carriage and go the rounds of the headquarters and if he could not find Jackson then go to his house He said I I something about the expense and I replied plied Oh damn the expense Take three carriages if necessary but find > Jackson and ascertain whether he will vote for us or not Did O by word or deed or thought 1 + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + t + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 1 + + + + + + + + + I 1iTItt + + + + + + + + + p + + + + + + + + + I + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + t + + + + + + + 1 + + + r + + A + t + + L 1 + 1t + t + + 4 + + + + + 4 + + f + 1 + 4 I + + + + S + + Bob Fryer Breams of the Haprv Days He Spent With Pratt + i i i 4 A A i L A A k A A i i A A i h 4 h A L A L A Tin T-in the city and county building He said that Law told him he would vote for McCune If Turner would give him a logical reason for so doing Turner urged that he support McCune and Law i had then said that if the campaign ten campagn were being carried on in Idaho or Montana Mon-tana it would have been settled long I and added the Why doesnt ago egoegs IOn I McCune get down to business On crossexamination Mr Evans brought out that Mr Turner had gone on Tuesday to Laws home t get witnesses wit-nesses as to his character He also obtained ob-tained a statement from Turner to the effect that Turner had never received a cent of money from Mr McCune Just at the close of the morning Mr Evans obtained a little bit of evidence which he had not expected He was I asking Sheriff Turner about Laws character AN UNEXPECTED REPLY Its bad replied Turner and you ought to know It yourself Dave I want to cal your attentionMo the fact that you yourself told me while I was I sheriff of Cache county that a political meeting that you and Judge Hart were holding in Paradise two years ago was broken up by a hoodlum outfit led byLaw by-Law LawAre you sure Mr Law was there asked Mr Evans somewhat disconcerted discon-certed You told me he was Sheriff Turner replied At the afternoon session Judge Dick I + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 1 + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + I + + I + + + + I + t + + + 111JWJ5TIfl1TO1j JOHN P QuittN + NiJWIST E SHERIFF REDTlINE I t OF CKH5 COUNtt 4 + GROUP OP WITNESSES i o t + + + + + + + + + + + + t + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + if J i fiifttft < < suggest the Ide of bribery asked Judge Thurman i No sir with emphasis NO IMPROPER INFLUENCES Have you any personal knowledge Mr Harris that any money has been used or any promises made to pay I jney or any other thing of value for I the corruption of any legislator In this campaign Judge Thurman asked Mr Evans raised an immediate objection ob-jection but on motion of Senator Howell > How-ell Mr Harris was allowed to answer No sir he plied I I had I should not be with Mr McCune now On crossexamination Mr Evans I brought out all the details of the management man-agement of the McCune cune campaign Mr Harris said that he had kept no account of the money he hadexpended and that he got what he needed from Mr Mc Cune CuneHow How does he know that you use all uated the money he gives you Evans inn Mr McCune can tell you better than I replied Harris I have never accounted counted to him and he has never asked for an account Mr Harris stated that he had no regular reg-ular payroll of employees Did you expect there would be an election on Saturday last asked Mr Evans after he had sounded Mr Harris rison the subject of his on subje campaign methods meth-ods without getting a rise out of him I did yes Would you mind telling us why you expected it yu Not at all We had received assurances assur-ances from Moses Thatcher that Sena I de r tar Hideout I and Representative Stewart Stew-art would vote for Mr McCune that day Judge Thurman promised us that Representative Larsen would also come to us and Mr D C Dunbar had said that Senator Petry would be with us likewise That would have given I gven McCune thirtytwo Democratic votes I was s certain of a election that day that at 930 in the morning I telephoned my wife that there would be an election tion at noon and I should be home that evening for good You knew that Mr McCune was going go-Ing out to see Mr Law that morning I didnt you Why did he go if you did not need Laws vote Mr McCune came Into a rear room where Moses Thatcher and I and several sev-eral others were and told uS he had had a message from Law asking an interview in-terview Mr McCune asked what we thought about f and we said that It was unnecessary but perhaps It would be a courtesy to him to go EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY You were felicitating yourselves on the prospective election I suppose You are mortifying me sir Harris said with a melancholy smile We were Even tho solemn committeemen committee-men had to smile at Mr Harris droll manner of speaking There was a rumor about the head I f f ct t i s quarters after Mr McCune returned that Mr Law might vote with you was there not Not particularly in regard to Mr Law We knew that Mr Taylor would probably vote with us however And that of course Increased your felicity It would have been Impossible to have increased our felicity And again the committee smiled In what room did you talk with Mr Ivins In the bathroom Thats where ou take your annual bath I suppose Mr Evans remarked remark-ed facetiously i Oh no said M Harris smiling sweetly He was laying for Mr Evans and in a second his chance came I But whats its purpose asked Evans Ev-ans ansThe purpose of what Harris asked ask-ed blandly Of the bath This time everyone roared and Mr Evans blushed blush-ed edJust Just at the close of the examination I Representative Stewart asked Mr Harris I Har-ris what he meant by his statement to Ivins about expense I I deny the construction placed upon my words by Jackson Harris reolied I said to Mr Inns to get three carriages I car-riages if he needed them to find Jackson Jack-son and I used the expression Damn the expense The construction placed upon my words is entirely false I This ended the examination and the committee adjourned until 930 tis I morImLW LAW SENT FOR Accusing Member Causes Some Trouble Trou-ble to Committee Mr Van CottMr Chairman we intended in-tended last evening to go to Mr Laws house and ask a few more Questions but on leaving the session last evening we were informed that yesterday morning morn-ing Mr Law was at the Wasatch drugstore drug-store and was told by the sergeantat arms to come down to the committee and I believe Mr King informed me this morning that Mr Law said hew he-w ould come and that Mr King thought that he came here and we ask that the s sorgeantatarms bring Mr Law here The Chairman Did YOU see him at tl drug store Mr Sergeant The Sergeantatarms I saw himthere The Chairman And he said he would come here he Sergeantatarms he started start-ed toward the car to come and I sUPposed sUP-posed he had come The Chairman The sergeantatarms will bring Mr Law in if he is In such a condition that he can come Mr Evans Certainly The Sergeantatarms Shall I take a carriage The Chairman Bring him any way you can get him t It was reported that Mr Law was present In the senate chamber Mr Van Cott Well never mind sending for him then Mr Van CottMr Chairman we move to strike out the testimony of Mr Hughes and in making this motion mo-tion we think that it is not only proper but we think that it should be done and wealso think that it tends to economize econ-omize time and we want to again briefly state why this testimony should be stricken out We understand that there is no difference between Mr Evans Ev-ans and ourselves to this effect that hearsay testimony is Incomoetent and should not be admitted in the hearing thoaiy question is as to whether this testimony is hearsay or not i Mr Evans Before answering I Van Cott I desire to ask a question i I may be permitted to for the purpose of making the matter as I think more pertinent than it is at present The ChairmanNo objection ask the question Questions by Mr Evans x Mr Ivins I will ask you whether Mr McCune at any time ever secured your services or your Interest in his behalf t Never had but one personal conversation with Mr McCune that I recall at the nreent time When was that That was at the Kenyon hotel At his headquarters Yes sir When Well it was very early In January and right after the balloting I I recollect correctly had commenced Balloting then had commenced had it I think so I would not be sure of that For United States senator Yes And you then had a conversation 1 with him was it anything with reference I refer-ence to the Jackson vote answer yes or no I was in reference to seeing Mr Jackson accson Just state to the committee what It was Mr McCune said to you Yes sir I say state All right I went In his headquarters simply passed in and saw Mr McCune there and he said Couldnt you or Can you talk to Jackson In regard to how he Is going to vote or words to that effect and I said Why certainly I could He said all right That is all that was said that is the whole thing SAYS HE WAS FOR MCUNE Now at that time tme were you working in the Interests of McCune At that time I was Interested in Mr McCune Were you working in his Interest at that time Well what do you mean by working In his interest Why assisting him In securing the United States senatorship I was doing anything that I could for him i that is what you mean That is what I mean and at his solicitation was i No Well he did solicit you He did thenthe only thing I ever did for Mr McCune had been voluntary Well I didnt ask you whether It had Well all right You were working In his interest and was interested In seeing him elected United States senator Yes I And in pursuance of what Mr Mc Cane said to you did you go and see Jackson 1 I did What position you occupy the position posi-tion of city editor on The Herald Yes What position does Mr McCune occupy oc-cupy on the paper or did he occupy at that time I have never You know Mr Inns dont you I think he is vice president of tne company com-pany I never saw him there in my i lifeDont I Dont know that he is vice you president I presi-dent That is my understanding of i It I think It is printed at the top of the paper every morning that Is what I was going to say on the editorial page I may be mistaken In regard to that Mr Evans That Is all do you want to crossexamine on that point Mr Dickson No that is all Mr Evans I want to ask you about in your testimony yesterday I think you testified yesterday Mr Inns that the conversation which you had in Mr Chambers office In the Ontario building In the presence of Chambers Jackson and yourself that Mr Jackson Jack-son stated that hein effect that he was not a weather vane and that when he concluded to go to Mr McCune he wanted to go to him to stayor words to that effect Yes Can you state this morning after reflection whether that remark was made by Mr Jackson or whether It was made by yourself at that time and place Well I leave plae that to Mr Chambers I am perfectly willing to assume that It was made by myself I didnt ask you that at all have you talked with Mr Chamber about i No sir Now upon reflection on that point Continued on Page 2 2 hO I IIEFENSEfOffMCUNE1 Continued from page 1 I wish you would give oui best recol lection as to whether you made that statement in the presence of Mr Cham Jackson hers or whether i was made by Mr SPOKE FOR JACKSON AAell I think i is veryjikely i think i Is very likely that I Tjpeneu the con > ersaton with Mr Charabera by making mak-ing that statement that Mr Jackson did not want to be a weather vane and that when he went to Mr McCune he anted to go to him to stay and would go to him to stay When he went to him or If he went to him he would go t him tostay Yes Now again i will ask you whether on reflection you made that remark or uhether Mr Jackson made i at that time Well I think that quite likely 1 oDened the conversation with that remark Refreshing your recollection if you have at all are you able to say this I rooming whether Jackson made that remark at that time and place Well I cuuidnt say except that he went right along with the conversation t1 Mr Chambers thereupon What Is your recollection upon that i this morning whether Jackson made that remark at that time and place I Wail 1 know positively that one of us made I and 1 am perfectly willing to assume I made i I don want you to assume anything In the world 1 want your best recollection recol-lection as to who made i there I say I Probably that remark opened the conversation with What is your belt recollection That Is my best recollection That is your best recollection Ye And that you were the person who made that insUad 0 Jackson Yes Mr DSckson If you did make the remark mark it was made in Mr Jacksons hearing ot course Yes sir He did not object to it No sir I j I Or disaffirm I in any way No sir i Or say tc Mr Chambers Well Mr inns is not authorized to speak fort for-t me No sir p And I de not wish it to be under stood that Mr Ivins represent me I 1 O anything of that kind No sir Questions bv Mr Sorenson I Do 0 recollect of Mr Jackson using that tem or making use of that statement state-ment later m the conversation Well after Mr Chambers and Mr Jackson engaged in the conversation I became a third larty and I really didnt keep close tick of the conversation except I it was entirely harmonious ami It was a mixed conversation we talked about Mr Hearst of San Francisco and various var-ious otle matters as you see that had no rnnniction wsth this thing at all so as to saying what their exact language wa 1 couldnt undertake to do It at 1 This time but I think they can both I testify to that f e themselves and f iave a deer recollection that I would < WHAT HE UNDERSTOOD Lut Jackson gave you to understand from the nature of hia remarks and aJo perhaps Mr Chambers that in the event he die come over to McCune it would not be to leave him again That agin I was my understanding and 1 would not I make the statement of course if it ierc not 5 I Mr I Evans That was vour under st ll < lgbln you did not understand Jackson suit that at that time and Plait The Wltnu3Xo sir 11 Van Cott May Mr Ivins be ex cud The Witness May I be excused Mr Uickson No not until we get a ruling on the testimony of Hushes Mr Evans I do not regard the pocketknife pock-etknife illustration as a point in thin las To be brief about it the distinction distinc-tion which I make In that and the par I Kular sense at bar is that 11 Ivins was acting for McCune Any statements v hlch a pCon makes when he is acting act-ing for anith r are not hearsay eel t nee but are original evidence and ad ibk in court AifeUtil by i easel Mi Cummings would like to ask r Bans ii at grounds you based i ji r objection last night Mr iSxaiifu I did not consent to it They consented If I onsfntel to evidence evi-dence being introduced I cannot be heard as they art pe being heaid below 4 be-low thn cuniniittie to bow hot and old I cannot atrtee that a certain piece of testimony may be introduced bofore this committee and then when r is i introduced and I llnd out that it nuns the imiise which I represent I cannot then turn around and say I jnov to have tha stricken from the record Arijtteil by counsel Mr Stfvvat I ould just like to s ac my position on this quesiior Mr i IJicksop raised the objection jfsterday I J i licvf thai it was proper raised i < inn ss juii have bren sustained I was ill in A rid when Mr Evans Iw J jm to cross exinilne or when 11 Van tl besar tn crosscxdiiine the wit r5 and Mr Evans objet I believed In i objection was well taken and I so iou Now it seems to me that this oiixme should be stricken out or < IIUHM 1 for the plaintiff should he per rniupu to go into the sam matter on l m1 ai 4 iv examination us was gone into by I counsel for the complaining witness Mr Whitney Counsel for the defendant defend-ant McCune Mr Stewail Yes 11 Kvans I will say that Is perfectly perfect-ly ireeable to me and 1 will withdraw the motion I made last night Mr huriian We insist on the motion mo-tion to strike out 11 Stewart I wish to make myself II r on this point that I believe the fvulioe of Mr Hughes was incom I > i tcnr I think that the crossexami nation on that is incompetent and I tUn that it ought to be sustained I ilo nt believe we are justified in going into that subject mattei Digued by counsel I Mr Stewart In order to bring this Leftre the committee 1 therefore move J I that the testimony introduced hy Mr Hughes yesterday be stricken out Mr EvnnsI vithdra the objection uhich I made yesterday and will offer cot to make any objection to any evidence 1 evi-dence along those lines s as to be fair in this matter Mr Thunnan We insist upon the i motion t The question on the motion of Mr I r Steuart was then put and carried Mi I Howell voting no f Mr EvsiisI do not knew that I have I f any richi to say it but I I have I will I I suggest a roll call on that question Mr How el1 Mr Chairman I would like to state my position on this matter I mat-ter Of course I am not a lawyer and I do not know that I would be able to conduct this investigation strictly according t ac-cording to the rules of lav but Inasmuch Inas-much as tee have admitted the evidence of Mr Hughes I would rather see a jivonsideration the action of this in fcstibntlnp committee b > which we hue t > ned MM opjcctjojs fl EVani irtfw tia he is WilUn tovindraw it tfnd atlee 1 at-lee j thp dpfenceto examIne the witness thoriughly on thai uuestior Argued by members of tie committee teeHUGHES KVIUENOE GOES OUT The Channan Uocs the committee I desire a roll call if they dothe Secretary Secre-tary will call the rolL i The result of the rol call was AS follow fol-low J r Ayes Whitney Sorenson Mansfield Stewart Cnmmlngi S Noes Howell the Chairman 2 The chairman declared the motion carried Questions by Mr Thurman Mr IxIns ciltlngr your attention to the last convcrsaUon which you had with Mr Harris at tIe head or the elevator ele-vator Jm the stairsatjne Kcny < JA7you testified yesterday Ihatrln thai cfaliver eatSon you dI4 not think the word carriage was r lUQnlg < Incorn J nth I vth expense TFesslr I That is true is it STes sir t I > vlll ask you 10 state whether or I not on Monday In the presence of Mr Warrum editor if The Herald Mr L JJCese you know Mr Reese of The Herald Yes Whether in the presence of those two men and perhaps some others whose i names I do not now recall you did not I state substantially that in your last conversation with Mr Harris before j I I going to see Mr Jackson that you were in a hurry to get away and that you were afraid Jackson would be gone I i home and spoke of not a carriage qone you might have to take the street car I and Mr Harris said Never mind the expense go and see Jackson Did I you say that h iel Is all true That is what Mr Harris said on that last conversation that I had with him except ex-cept that there wasntanything said as I left him in regard to sand s-and in the former conversation Well I want to ask you this DidO Did-O say that howeverwhat I asked I ouin the presence of Judge Warrum and Mr Rcs and perhaps some others oth-ers of The Herald No Didnt say that I didnt say that I said that he referred to a carriage on that first conversation that we had That is all No question about that I am positive of that that he spoke of I carriages He did say something about the expense of carriages j I LAW AGAIN ON THE STAND I Albert A Law being recalled for further crossexamination testified as follows Examination by Mr Thurman Mr I Law you werent clear as to whether you said you had an appointment with I Ir McCune that you made personally with him or whether you had an appointment ap-pointment made through some of his agents for the meeting on Saturday morning at 10 oclock which Is it You wish to know whether it was made by himself or by his agents Yes sir Made by Mr R W Sloan who purported to be acting In the interest in-terest of Mr McCune There was no appointment made with Mr McCune personally No sir I understood your testimony in your testimony several times to say you had an appointment with Mr McCune and were not clear as to whether it was made personally with him that is all I understand you did not see Mr Mc Cune to converse with him after Tuesday Tues-day not until Saturday morning Not on that proposition tat propositon By Mr SorensonYou say on that proposition Did you see him to converse con-verse wltn him on any other proposition proposi-tion I could have conversed with him I saw him once afterwards But not to talk with him No sir By Mi Evans Where In his headquarters head-quarters By Mr Dickscn When after Tuesday Tues-day I was on Wednesday night when I went there to see Mr Sloan in regard to the result of telegrams that had been agreed upon That was the very next night after he had made this proposition to you YesYou You saw him could have talked to him if you had desired to I say I saw him momentarily We ifluiU have talked to you at that time If he had desired to Yes sir Questions by 11 Evans Mr Law in order to clear up one matter I want to ask you if when you had this conversation with Me I Cune it was In a roomthat is Tuesday Tues-day nisht it was In a room that was filled with people that finally the people peo-ple all gradually left until there was nobody there but you and he No sir sirWere Were there neonle in the room when you first went in l where McCune was Tuesday night Il McCune and I went in this room togsther But when you first went into the room not in the room where you had the talk but in the room adjoining I There was some people In that room yesMcCune McCune was there to was he1 Yes he went in there at the same time or about the name time that 1 did And then you withdrew into the other rom alone Yes IrS Ir-S TO LAWS SICKNESS Il Law have you been sick the last day or two Yes sir What is the matter with you I have rheumatism a bilious attack Did you try to avoid coming down here in any way yesterday No sir i tried to come down Did you start down from the Wa satch drug store yesterday morning I tried to catch a car twice I wasnt swift enough ci foot Who Is Dr lcbcr Was he waiting wait-ing on you there Dr Wiichers of Ice u no jir van uoLtu eii we win waive un I that just to save time that everything is all right Mr Evans It was simply the Intimation I Intima-tion that he was pretending to be hick and staying away purposely that is ali aliI I intended to cali John Evans to tes tfy to a statement that was nubHsh e in the Dsseret News Mr Evans has SODa to Lehi There is one point that I would 1e the committee to settle so that I may not mat any imrroper reference to it on the final closing argument The testimony of Mr hughes a to his i statements made by Mr Ivins to Mr I Hughes I understood was stricken out I as t what Fisher Harris said that II part of Il understand is stricken out Now I want to know whether the I statement made by Mr Ivins to Mr Harris with refeierice to the fact that he could have received or he could have gotten a thousand dollars from McCune ta stricken out I Mr DIckson That is the very thing I that was stricken out that was the matter that was objected to and the I ita sustained it Mr Evans As I understand the mo lon it went to any statement that Mr Fisher Harris made or which Mr Iv ins said wa made by Fisher Harris to him This thousand dollars Is not connected con-nected with the statement made by I Fisher Harris Mr Van CottI moved to strike out all the testimony of J W Hughes Mr Evans You dont want to have any misunderstanding about that Mr Van Cott No certainly Mr Evans I wanted to understand so that r would make no improper ref erinra to I in the argument Mr ansI should like the committee commit-tee to rule on that question some time COOK CASE DROPPED D S Cook being sworn a a witness I in behalf of the complainant testified as oilows let examination by 11 Evans Mr Cook you are a member of the I huse or representatives Ye sir Do you know Aaron F Farr Yes sir sr Did you have any conversation with him on the Oregon Short Line railroad train between Logan and Salt Lake trln btwCn LJn aJ on the way to Salt Lake Yes sir When was I I was one Sunday either two or three weeks ago accord ing to my recollection I have been to Logan every Sunday and I am not certain as to the date we were coming back from Logan cmng I State t the committee wh thc at that time Mr Farr had been or prior to I thattime Mr Farr htffl been voting for I A W McCunet He had r Wiis the conversation had in the I pfesence C any one > lse No sir it Vas not Stat where it was 2r Dickson We object from now on we intend tt not waive objections to testimony that Is offered whrch in our Judgment Is incompetent IL matters not so far as Mr McGtine concerned what Mr Farr said to the witness ort or-t anybody ese The mere fact that Mr Farr is x member of the legislature I and was voting for McCurJo does not make him Mr McCuneM agent Idols not tend to prove that h6 was author ised to represent Mr McCune In anyway any-way that isi < wag empowered In any manner by Mr McCune or anybody acting in tyr McCunes behalf to apeak for him Mr McCuneor to speak concerning con-cerning him or to say anything > about his Candidacy l oranythlng about his business on way or tl other Argued by counsel i MrJackson It rs filstS Jmniaierial trfolorvant and incompetent aswhat anyone any-one of you gentlemen might have said to Sir Cook during the session of the I legislature or what any other member t t of the legislature might have said to him or as to what any man who m him on the street might have said to i I him r I Argued by counsel and members of the committee I Mr Evans What kind of a report would you make on specification 3 If I Mr Co6k were not permitted to be heard 1 Mr WhitneyWe would give our reason i 10v inl eh son for not letting him testify Mr Stewart Mr Chairman I would I state that am perfectly willing as one member of the committee that Mr I Cook sal give his testimony s far a it relates to Mr Farr or so far U it I relates to Mr McCune if he can connect con-nect It but I understand as Mr Howe states that we have a right to Investigate Investi-gate these charges thathave been made by Mr Law but it is a matter between Mr Cook and Mr Farr and not against Mr McCune we can report on that if we so desire So far as that Is concerned con-cerned I am perfectly willing for the evidence to go in Mr Sorenson So am I 11 Cummings move then that the objection raised by the defense be sustained tamed by thi committee so far as it pertains to the testimony of Mr Cook in reference to Mr McCune I understand under-stand the objection to be that this evidence evi-dence s far a it pertains to Mr Mc Cune Is simply hearsay evidence Mr Dickson Incompetent Mr Cummings And therefore incompetent incom-petent and I move that we sustain the nVlionf vn in t > int far Mr Sorenbon is incompetent to Mr McCunes case REFRS TO FARR Mr Cummings Yes sir but I certainly think Mr COOK may have the curs ol I this committee later on against Mr iarr Mr SorensonYes but the evidence that Mr Cook shall give shall be relevant to Mr l arrs case Mr Uummingb Yes sir I do not want to shut of Mr CooK at all Argued by members of committee Mr Kvans Let me see if I understand I that that Mr Coot may be examined here but anything which ho states may f not be used against Mr McCune is that tat tgalnst the position Mr Stewart Unless it Is connected 1 Mr Mansfield The connection should I be made and then his testimony taken Mr Evans The testimony here is not to Iermit him to say anything at all i Sir Dickson interrupting You say that you expect to shOw i Mr Evans > I dont say anything at all Mr Dickbou You have no reason to I think you can make the connection I Mr Kvans don know anything except ex-cept what I have stated II Mr Manslleld am perfectly willing that he should BO on on that point to go make the connection and if he can make it he can go on with the testimony Argued by counsel The motion or Mr Cummings was then put Mr Evans I would like a roll call on I that I I thatMr Howell dont think it Is necessary I on that Mr Evans I think it is nearly unanimous unanlmouf Cott This Isnt for delay Mr Evans Mr Evans No sir I Mr 1 Dickson Have you any doubt about the motion having prevailed Il Evans I have simply suggested I I Under that ruling I will state to the committee that I have no further examination ex-amination of Mr Cook Mr Whitney wish to say before this witness retires that I have voted as I have with the full understanding that Mr Cook will b before this committee later on and Mr Farr Mr Evans Under the ruling I have no other witness to offer in the Cook case and as to the other charges I believe I n t h hr01lh to thosl ex cent Pj u i like to n ask couiibel to admit I ad-mit the statement Mr Dickbon That first paragraph Mr Kvans Yrs Mr Dickson AVo object to that also as I incompetentwhat Mr Evans said Mr Van Cott We would have no objection ob-jection to you later on in our case calling I Mr Evans Mr Evans AVell he is I here I was first told he had gone to Lehl I STATE SENATOR EVANRS Abel John Evans being sworn as a witness wit-ness In behalf of lh complainant test I Keil as follows Examined by Mr Evans Mr Evans you are a member of the state senate Yes sir You live at Lohi 1 believe Yes sir An lve resident of Utah born ana reared here Yes sir sr the proceed Do you remember during jngs on Saturday Feb IS of the present month when some charges were made charges I by Representative Iom Law < on the floor of the I joint abhembly Yes sir Agaiiibt Jlr McCune I dow I do-w hue those charges were being made or some timeduring the session did you repair to the telephone I did Whom did you call up I didnt cal any one T ti n tt ot in nnnvArsntlon with any < ImnprRaton one f did Whom Fisher Harris hor you talk with McCune personally I No sir You did not No sir Did vou notice the report of your remarks re-marks In the Deseret News and Tribune I and Herald Yes I saw there were some remarks printed I never scrutinized them very closely CONVERSATION WITH HARRIS Did Fisher Harris purport to be speaking I speak-ing by authority from Mr McCune I so understood I Over the phono at that time Yes sir 1 wish you would state what he eald to you as nearly as you can remember the substance I would not remember i perhaps per-haps so well now as I did then my recollection of the conversation was this I was called to the telephone and when I I I got there Fisher Harris was ea the other end 1 presume at McCunes headquarters I dont Know as to that You could iccognize his voice couldni you Yes sir 1 think so I think that ho said It was FIshtr Harris If I am not mistaken This Is Fisher Harris talking talk-ing 1 think that is what he said and he says that I am authorized to say Were there any questions asked back all forth first No sir there were no questions asked quctons He Oidnt ask you what the chaises I were No I dont think he did 1 think some one else communicated that to him I did not el least He says The charges that have ben made down there that I I am authorized to say to ypu by Mr McCune that they are absolutely false I that he offeied Mr T aw no amount but on the other hand that he offered to bell his vote to him for J3000 That is that Law That Law offered to bell his vote to McCune for 5009 Did hi say when well KO on And I think he said that Mr McCune spurned the offer and told him to go to hell that Is as I remember the conversation It was very short all pointed and In substance what I stated on the lloor of the house And you stated you believed the statement state-ment Y < sir and I told him that I believed the statement In advance bcforg hearing any evidence evi-dence did you believe I Yes Mr Dickson AVhat difference does that make what he believed Mr Aan CoVe object to it a incompetent incom-petent and immaterial Mr EvansI withdraw the question The Witness 1 am prepared to tell you if you want me to Mr Van Cottl dont care for Mr Evans Ev-ans belief It is Immaterial and irrcv plnnt and I flnnt nrnnnsn that there shaH bo time taken un with that kind of examination I eX-amination unless the committee deslro to hear I Mr Evans I had withdrawn the question ques-tion Mr Van Cott You consume the time yourself Mr Whitney AVTiat Is the question Il Evans have withdrawn It Mr Van CottI do not object to the committee hearing It I I they want to Complainant rests LAW FAVORED MCUNE Fred Turner beingsworn as a witness in behalf of the dtt use testified as follows fol-lows I Direct examination by 11 Dicksoii I What is your full name Mr Turnery Turner-y name Is Fred Turner her do you live1 In Logan Cache county How long have you resided there Since 1861 I Have you held any official position there Yes sir I What I was sheriff for four years up until Jan 1 lat Sheriff of Cache county Yes sir Are you acquainted with Mr Albert Law a member o the legislature from Cache Yes sir How long have you known him Well I have known him for a great many years knew his father when he lived there in Cache county over twenty years Have you met him since the sessIon of the legislature began Yes sir Do you remember the circumstance of charges having been made against Mr McCune by Law in the joint convention con-vention on Saturday last Yes Calling your attention to the Thurs day preceding that Saturday 1 will ask S J you if you met Mr Law in one of the corridors of this building I did And converse with him 1 did Did you in that conversation say to Mr Law that you wished he could see his way cleartQ support Mr McCune I didI V I V PIt i J Did he in reply to that ray that if you or anybody could give him a good logical log-ical reasoh why he should support Mr McCune that perhaps ho would do so I He did i I Diflj you in reply to that remark of his say You were elect d by Democratic I Demo-cratic votes largely Yes sir And upon the assurance given by him that the matter of the senatorshlp would be safe in your hands as > though a Democrat were elected atln your place I That is I the conversation I Did he in reply to that say that that was not a sufficient reason If anybody could give him a good logical reason i for voting for Mr McCunev that he I would may be dp so He did not use the word sufficient but he said If anybody I any-body could give him a logical reason Icogu glt why I should vote for Mr McCune I I will do 6 Did he then without any further remark I mark from you say i this was in Idaho or Montana it would have been settled long ago why dont they do business or why dont they get down to business I busi-ness Something of that kind One or the other of those remarks Of those two last phrases yes sir TURNER CROSSEXAMINED I Crossexamlnitinn hv Mr Evans Did you run for sheriff last election I up there Yes sir I On the Democratic ticket Yes strAnd str-And were defeated by a Republican Yes sir sr Mr Law was running on the Republican Repub-lican ticket for the legislature wasnt he Yes sir You naturally had the ordinary contests con-tests of political election 0 course 1 presume so And the ordinary feeling which is wrought up by such elections I pr some so Yes Are you in the employ of Mr McCune I am not You are not I am not Are you supporting him I amt am-t your own expense Yes sir Didnt you g to Cache county yesterday yester-day morning at your own expense What Is that Didnt you go to Cache county for Mr McCune yesterday morning No sir On the train No sir Where did you go I went to Logan the day before that The day before that Yes sir Day before yesterday Ye sir Whom did you go for I went up td get some witnesses Whom for Mr McCune Did you go at your own expense I didYou I You mean to say that you are spending spend-ing your own money to get witnesses for McCune I do I And dont you hope to get any return re-turn I presume Mr McCune will do the proper thing pay me back Then you do expect to get something for Itfor the services you are rendering ren-dering I have not received a dol iarYou You havent received a dollar No So far you are paying out your own money I am And you expect to have that refunded refund-ed and likewise to be paid compensation compensa-tion for your services No sir no I compensation I Qont expect EXPECTS NO PAY You dont expect any compensation at all No sir Didnt you state a moment ago that you expected he would do the right tIling I expect he wilt refund me the money I pay out I am working for Mr McCune for the regard I have for iim regard I I iimFor the regard you have for him I Yes sir Merely for the regard in thevmatter I for the regard you have for him without with-out any hope of receiving a dollar I never expected anything of it onlyto I be reimbursed for the money I have paid i out I In that view of the case are you somewhat free with your expenditures I of money Well I dont know Well I just ask you the question I have got my check book here that I can show you what I have paid out I ask you simply the general question ques-tion whether you have been somewhat free or lavish with the expenditure of money I have nbt You have expended economically I then nave you I have sir What did you go to Cache county for I edJust for McCune Ten this thing start Just answer that please what did I you go for Will you allow me to answer an-swer In mr own way That is In a general way then I will I ask you about I yes All right I went I up to see some parties up there who I were acquainted with Mr Law Who sent you up AVell I dont know I who it was that asked me to go up there I wasI think I had a talk with Mr Harris and Mr Dunbar and I It was deemed advisable to get some I parties down here Did you talk with Sloan No sir I was Harris and Dunbar I think so ves sir You consulted with them didnt you Yes co Those two men are In the employ of Mr McCune are they not managing his campaign I cannot say as to that You know from generally accented hearsay I dont know anything about hearsay I have never heard anything about tt Tell me now whether honestly in your judgment Mr Harris and Mr Dunbar are working in the interest of Mr McCune I should think they were That is all there is about i Yes they are there I dont know as to their arrangerrents with Mr McCune I I didnt ask you about that You know when a man is working for another an-other employed by him by what you see generally dont you You men then talked that over together did you and you concluded that you would better bet-ter have some witnesses up In Cache county that would bieak down the character of Mr Law No sir that wasnt contemplated at all about breaking down his character all I said when I went up there was that I wanted the absolute proof What did you want these witnesses for Because we wanted to show just the character of this man Exactly now then what did you want to show his character was We wanted to show his character for just HUH 1 IS What did you want to show his character char-acter was Just what it is LAWS CHARACTER BAD Well what is it I is bad For what His word is no good I Is not I is not You were running for sheriff up there that is generally known throughout Cache county is it Yes sir from the acquaintances I have Generally known throughout Cache county Yes sir Now sir Mr Turner dont you know that that man ran on his ticket ahead of some others who were running Yes and I know that he got elected by a Democratic vote and got in by a scratch Then you think Democrats In Cache county flocked around a man who is a notoriously bad character do you Is that your Idea I mean to say that hey would have elected anybody up here under the conditions that pre va led there this Cal But didnt he run ahead of some o hits Republican friends running on the same teB fa whose characters were absolutely good I dont know You dont know that I dont know 1 hat hatYou you dont know that is true NoIr No-Ir You feel a little sore on account of jour defeat No sir my nomination came to me in a receptive manner I didnt seek for it I k Dont you know that Mr Law lives In Paradise I do 1 Have you any witness from there Have I Yes sir I did You brought them down did you l Yes sir I brought one Just one is all you could find in that town where he had lived for years and years I didnt say that is all I could findYou You didnt bring more brought other witnesses down Dont you know that Mr Law was asked about taking the nomination as school trustee up there and he refused it the last election I do not Didnt you hear that Didnt hear it until after this You have heard it then I have menced heard it yes after this contest com t Mr Dicksonrl call Mr Evans at I I tentlon to the fact that he Is drawing i these matters out on crossexamina ton he will be bound by the answers j I of the witness Didnt you bring witnesses down I here to attack his character No sir to tell the truth I To tell the truth Yes sir to tell I the truth Well but for that purpose I mean I Not to attack his character I BROKE UP EVANS MEETING I To testify to his bad reputation To l testify to the truth a to his character And I want to call your attention to this fact that two years ago you yourself your-self and Judge Harkness were there in Paradise and you were disturbed In apolitical a-political meeting and this man Law at the head of the outfit that disturbed you In your talk yourself I Never heard of It before I remember remem-ber your telling me about the time you ha in Paradise in Logan How did you know this man was in there I didnt know that Because I you told me That this man was there Yes this man manWhy Fred did you ever tell me that I ever met this man in the world You told me that this man Law was at the head so you told me you told me in Logan and asked me what kind of people peo-ple there were over there You have considerable venom in this matter I have not but when a man undertakes to browbeat me I will tell the truth Who is trying to browbeat you You are areIn In what way In trying to make it appear that I have brought men down here to tear this mans character down Havent you done so No sir You have brought them here To tell the truth YOU are a witness yourself in thecae the-cae I am and I know this man You say I am trying to browbeat you because I am asking you questions The way you put your questions is not truth the proper way if you want t get the trth If you will be kind enough to instruct me how to ask these questions I will probably comply with the request You ask me the right way and I will answer them correctly I brought witnesses down here to tell the truth I You brought witnesses down here for the purpose of having them testify to his bad reputation didnt you I did That Is all I asked you You said to tear down his character I wiU modify it in the way I put it last then that is the proper question now and you did bring them down for that purpose Yes sir You had that much Interest in the matter didnt you Yes sir Thereupon a recess taken until II I ju o ClOCK p m TURNER AGAIN CALLED I At the beginning of the afternoon session Mr Turner was recalled and crossexamined again by Mr Evans When you were at Paradise day before be-fore yesterday did you se Mr Bradley Brad-ley Yes sir Didnt you ask him if he would net testify that the reputation jf Mr Law for truth and veracity honesty and integrity in-tegrity was bad No sir Didnt tell him that No sir sirDidnt Did you speak to him at dl No I Didnt you tqll him you wanted him as a witness No sir Didnt you speak to him on this subject sub-ject Yes sir I Didnt he tell you that the reputation j of Mr Law in that community was i i bad badMr Mr Dlcks nYe object to this I is a matter that we have not gone into Argued by counsel Mr Evans I then move that the testimony tes-timony be stricken out I 3Ir DicksonWhat you have elicited uu ti utiujiniuuun Mr Evans Yes Mr Dickson have no objection to it going ou Said testimony was stricken out You say Mr Turner that your interest inter-est in this matter is purely unselfish and that without the hope of any reward re-ward for your services I you will allow me I will answer that in my own way wayWell I will ask you the question of course I have not objected to your answering an-swering When I lust came to Salt Lake City Now please answer that I say is your Interest in this case purely unselfish un-selfish and patriotic without the hope of receiving any reward for your services serv-ices What I am doing is from friendship friend-ship for Mr McCune he and I have never said one word about remuneration remunera-tion Do von xnpnt to receive any Tf lie I was to give it to ci wouldnt refuse It but I dont care whether he does or not I feel perfectly at ease on that I Do you expect that you will receive anything for your services No sir You dont expect you will No sir But if he would give it to you you I wouldnt be above taking it I certainly cer-tainly woulO not I would be all right I one way or the other You came down here to Salt Lake early in the campaign Three weeks ago last Sunday Did you have any preference when you first came down Yes sir Who was it Mr McCune Was it Yes sir Did you have a talk with Judge King Yes sir KING EMBRACED HIM I ElRACED I Didnt you tell Judge King that he was not your choice that Mr McCune was not your choice I did not I went to Mr Kings office and he put his arm around me You stated you did not tell him that I told him the opposite What I told him the opposite You were pretty busy when you came down here were you not When I first came down Yes Yes attending to my personal affaire What were they I came down to make a purchase of some goods and attend to some stock that I was interested in-terested In in a mining company You were selling goods up in Cache county Yes sir At auction Yes sir Busily engaged In that business Yes sir Didnt you see Joe Monson at the Walker House and after seeing him he Invited you to come to McCune headquarters Yes sir And after that didnt you then give your active support to Mr McCune Yes sir After that Yes sir And hpw much time have you given to him in tills contest Gave him all my time ali Gave him all time And al your tme my attention yes sir He has had all of your time and all of your attention Yes sir Ever since that time Yes sir except cept when I have been home Well how often have you been home I have been home twice or three times For what purpose I went up once to attend to my personal affairs and then I went up towel twice to attend at-tend to my personal affairs and when I was up there I went over to Paradise to see about these witnesses And you expect to give all your time and attention which you have given to this and which has been at the command com-mand of Mr McCune without receiving I dollar even legitimately for your services 60 you I he paysme then all right and I he dent I is all right Tell us the truth I have answered that on PAt M OJ S t At 1 t You have given him with the exception I I ception of one or twp trips to Logan I since you came dQwn here you have given him your undivided attention attentonj havent you I fave And you have been at his command I have To go hither and thither Yes sir Anywhere where ou were sent Yes sir OFF ON THE TIME And you say that you expect to render ren-der all that service and give your entire en-tire and undivided attention here for nearly two months month and a half No only three weeks Only three weeks Is I Yes I will put i that way without receiving re-ceiving one dollar of compensation Yes sir if he feels so inclined I Now I am asking what you expect I expect nothing I You expect absolutely nothing Nothing You can afford can you to spend the time I can for a friend You can for a friend Yes sir You expect to receive your expenses while you were here I expect to be remuneration out for the money I have paid outYou do not believe he will give you any more No sir You dont believe he will that is your honest belief about I I he will I dont know it How much has he already given you He has given me nothing Nothing to disburse at all for per sonal expeneca i > uiuiiiK wuuiever For personal expenses Nothing whatever I Are you a wealthy man Far from You are n very poor man are you not Not very poor You have been unfortunate like a good many other people I dont speak of that disparagingly No it is all right You are in rather straightened circumstances cir-cumstances No not exactly Are you In such a condition that you are confident to be able to discharge all of your obligations Well not Mr Dickson submit that this is going go-Ing to an extreme Mr Evans It Is only for the purpose of showing the Interest uif the witness Mr Dickson say you ought not to inquire into a mans character in that way before the public Mr Evans All right I will not do EO then Mr Dickson You feel that you can afford all this time for nothing do you I do sir for a friend For a friend Do you remember saying say-ing to I C Thoreson when you first came down here in the presence of Judge King that the people of Cache county were generally opposed to Mr McCune I do not You do not But to the opposite You told him just to the opposite did you Yes sir I And didnt you then say you were I losing money every day that you were stopping and that you could not possibly possi-bly afford to stay longer than the latter lat-ter part of the first week and that you had a lot of goods to sell which you must sell at auction Never told it to them in that way at all Did you tell them in substance like that No sir And after that on Thursday afternoon after-noon at about 4 oclock you said to Joseph Monson In the lobby of the Walker House that you would go with I him up to Mr McCunes headquarters T I vni LiSA ouinjitio ivi U151Z Question read Joseph Monson upon that occasion said to me that 11 McCune had heard of something that I had said about him He wanted to see mehe wanted to see me about it and wished that I would come over i and I says hI will go over and face McCune I went over and faced Mr McCune and the Idea was that I said that if Mr McCune was using money that I would not be in favor of Mr Mc Cune but would work against him I went over and talked with Mr McCune and he impressed me that I ha been misinformed and since that time F have been thoroughly convinced that I was misinformed Mr Evans That part of it I move to strike out I will ask you now since that time If you have not continuously worked for him Yes harder everyday every-day because I know he has been maligned ma-ligned You are very anxious to say something some-thing in this matter arent you Not very anxious no sir You arc not vtry anxious No sir Up tt > that time you had done no 9 neuJ Ur ior jiui HSU you u sir I Hadnt met him oven No sir But aftr this interview then you comrecreJ worUng for him and you arranged with hun that you would work I for him and sufPxt him Made no arrangements whatever When did you make this arrangement that he would send you wherever he pleased Nothingwas said about sending send-ing me wherever he pleased He asked me when I was going home I told him that I expected to return that evening He says I wish that you could stay down here that he would consider I a favor If I would and that Is all that ever passed between us How is I that you consider yourself under his control or management Because Be-cause I have started to work for him and whether I get a cent or not I will stay with him now until the fight is through Did you ever tell anybody when you came down here that you had not made up your mind to support McCune That I made up my mind to support When you first came down I made up my mind to support him before Did you ever tell anybody I say that you had not made up your mind on the question of the senatorshlp or the senatorial sen-atorial candidates when you first came down I did not You did not No sir Where was this talk that you had with Mr Law It was in this building build-ing What day It was on Thursday Last Thursday Thursday of last week Why did you ask him to vote for Mr McCune Because I wanted to see Mr McCune elected he was a good man for the state Why did you seek a Republican vote Because I thought the Democrats were entitled to his vote I think so now the Democrats elected him Did the Democrats elect Senator Howell Yes sir On the same principle you think he ought to vote for McCune do you I am not saying anything about him Did you ever ask him to vote for Mc Cune No Why didnt you if the Democrats uiuneu nun i > v en a 111LCIL su inclined I would just an soon talk to Joseph Howell though Why did you single out Mr Law and solicit his vote for McCune if you did not Senator Howell at the same time Well I didnt happen to strike Mr Howell In as favorable circumstances as I did Mr Law or I should Just as soon ask him too What were the favorable ciicum stances Oh I will say this that Mr Howell stands quite different In Cache county to what Mr Law does as to the complexion of his politics It would be useless for me to approach Mr Howell How-ell In one sehse of the word EVANS LITTLE VERBAL PLAY Do you think Mr Howell is irreproachable irre-proachable you Mr Van Cott AVhat is that word Mr Evans Irreproachable No I dont any more than Mr Law You didnt think he was any more irreproachable ir-reproachable than Mr Law I would like to add to my answer that it has been ever since this voting is going on that Mr Law has taken a different stand to what Mr Howell has In the voting he has voted for a silver man some of the time while Mr Howell has not this man walked out of the Republican Repub-lican convention two years ago because they did not adopt a silver platform and he leans a little more to Democratic principles than Mr Howell does and I would not expect Mr Howell to vote for a Democrat while would think It was more likely that this man would Well Is that the reason then why you approached Mr Law to secure his vote for Mr McCune That is the main reason That Is the main reason Yes You are sure of that Yes Why then did you say a moment ago that the reason was that It was because be-cause the Democrats elected him up In that county That is one of the reasons rea-sons that the Democrats elected him he knows that the Republicans never would have elected him Well which reason had you in mind for soliciting his vote generally which reason are you given to The main one was on account of his standing relative to the silver question He gave you a reason did he for not voting for him He did He said that if you would give a log ical reason why he should vote for him he might consider it Consider the proposition pro-position Did you give him any logical reason why he should vote for him Only what I gave this morning Well did you give what you considered consid-ered a logical reason I think so What was it That the Democrats of v acne county elected Dim to office and that his constituency that elected him would be bettor satisfied to have Mr McCune the senator of the United States than the man that he was voting vot-ing for And that is your Idea of a logical reason Is It why a man should vote for a certain person for United States senator sen-ator Well that is the answer that I gave him That is the only answer you gave him That is it in substance l araia rh tSitt fttf didnt he Yes sir Mr Law Yes WHAT LAW HOPED He didnt run on the Democratic ticket Yesoh Mr Law In his public speeches there said If he ever voted for anybody but a silver man he hoped that the people of Cache county would ride him on a rail and tar and feather himYes Yes He was pronounced on that question wasnt he Yes sir And you thought it would be giving a logical reason to ask him to vote for a man whom you were favoring for United States senator I knew that the people of Cache county would be better satisfied with Mr McCune than they would with Mr Cannon Did you say that I am asking the reason you gave him No I dont think those words were exactly used but he understood what I meant all right And then right on top of that he sold to you did he that if this contest was in Montana or Idaho those states used Yes sir It would have been settled long ago Yes sir Well what significance did you attach at-tach to that I didnt attach any to it right at that particular time You didnt attach any to it right at that particular time Not at that particular par-ticular time subsequently I did At that time you attached none at all Not at that particular time And that is all he said to you wasnt it what I have Interrogated you about No sir it is not all What else He said Why dont they do business or get down to business or something like that That is the legislature you mean No sir Whom did he say I inferred from what he said Now state what he said I have told you what he said and you asked what he meant by it Now you tell me what he said He said Why dont they do business or get down to business now one of those two phrases I dont know which or something the word business was used I am positive of that You are right positive on that I am right positive on that that the word business was used Why dont they do business pr Why dont they get down to business busi-ness Yes sir If this thing had been in Montana or Idaho there would have been an election long ago Yes sir And you attached no consequence at all to that Not at that particular time timeWhom Whom did you first communicate this thing to That I cant tell When did you first communicate it Not until after he made his speech on the following Saturday ONLY USED PERSUASION Then you as well as others In the interest of McCune were seeking his vote werent you In a persuasive way there tree no harm in it at all I I Giving as a logical reason for it that you thought Mccune ougnt to oe elected When a man goes to the legIslature I leg-Islature he Is to consider the Interests I I of his constituency The constituency that put him In there I know favored I Mr McCune above any other man And you regard It as a duty of a Republican Re-publican do you to vote for a Democratic Demo-cratic candidate for the senate of the United States Just as honorable to vote for a straight Democrat as it is for Frank J Cannon in my opinion Do you consider that honorable I doSo So you have no criticism to make of Cannons fight have you I am not here to criticise Mr Cannon You think it would be perfectly proper prop-er for a Republican to vote for a Democrat Dem-ocrat and to have Democrats vote for a silver Republican is that your idea I have nothing to say on those matters mat-ters at all WHAT LAAA TOLD QUILLAN John P Quillan being sworn as a witness in behalf of the defense tes tiged as follows Direct examination by Mr Dickson How old are you Fortytwo years of age I will be 42 years old next month Live in Salt Lake City Yes sir What is your business Bartender Where Hogle Bros How long have you been employed at Hogle Bros I have been there for about twelve years I guess Continuously Yes sir Do you know Albert A Law the gentleman gen-tleman sitting to your right Yes sir You are acquainted with Carl Hard of the Tribune I am LAWS BOAST IN HOGLES Do you remember seeing Mr Law in Hogle Brothers one Sunday evening three or four weeks ago I do State who was present at the time besides Mr Law and yourself Andrew Burt and Carl Hard and myself and there was another gentleman I dont know who he was I cant think who he was You were on the Inside or outside of the bar Inside Where was Mr Law standing Mr Law was on the outside Immediately in front of you Yes sir very close in front of me And where did Carl Hard stand Very close just on the other side Standing beside Mr Law Yes sir Was he where he could hear and do you think he did hear what Mr Law said Yes And what you said He was engaged in the conversation Taking part In the conversation Yes sir Carl Hard was Yes sir Did Mr Law in that conversation were you speaking about the senatorial contest AVe were That was the subject of conversation Yes sir Between you and Mr Hard and Mr Law Yes sir Did Mr Law say in that converFa tlon at that time and place that Mr McCune would never be elected or wouldnt be elected to the United States senate that we will spring a Montana sensation on him before he is elected No he didnt say that he said in case Mr McCune is elected we will spring a Montana sensation here That is it That is his words Crossexamination by Mr Evans He did not say then that McCune would never be elected and that he would be defeated that he had a scheme by which he could defeat him or did he say that he would never be elected that he would spring a Montana Mon-tana sensation on him Well if he said he would never be elected I didnt understand un-derstand it that way he said in case he was elected that there would be another an-other Montana sensation sprung here He said in case he was elected there would be another Montana sensation Montana sensation yes we had been discussing this Montana business You did not regard that as very important im-portant did you I wanted to tellI spoke about Mr McCune How He said that a certain man iC he stuck to what he told him that he had money Mr Dickson AVhat is that He said if a certain man ho knew would stick to what he said he had Mc Cunes money in his pocket Mr Dicktcn Did he tell you who the man was No sir Questions by Mr Evans That Is if a certain other man Yes Would stick to what he said Yes That he would say he had McCune money In his pocket Yes sir But he didnt say he had any did he No sir Anu n ne was elected teat It would be another Montana sensation He said there would be another Montana sensation sprung STANTON QUOTES LAWS TALK AV A Stanton being sworn as a witness wit-ness in behalf of the defense testified as follows You reside in Salt Lake City and have for many years I do sn What is your business I have been mining most of the time Do you know Albert A Law the gentleman gen-tleman sitting to your right I do Did you a week ago last Saturday afternoon meet Mr Law at the onyx saloon I did Between 4 and 5 oclock in the afternoon after-noon Yes sir Did you have any conversation therewith there-with him I did Do you remember speaking to him about this speech that Senator fannin lad delivered in the Theatre the peered ng Thursday evening Yes sir Did you In that conversation with Mr Law state to him that you honed to see and would lila to see Senator Cannon Can-non reelected I did Did you say that you hoped McOuni i would not be elected That he wouIJ I be defeated I said j That he would be defeated Did Mr i Law In that conversation in this c in j nectlon say to you that Mr MrCun > would never be elected to the Unitel States senate He did That he Law hail a scheme that would put a stumbling block in Ira way He did That was a weak ago last Saturday j No response I Crossexamination by Mr Evans What is your bnemesw Mr Stanton I have been mining mining superintendent superin-tendent mining foreman and have worked in mines for thirty years What is your business now I am engaged in mining What mining Reporting on mince examining mines What mine are you interested In I am interested in the Lucky Boy mine Whore Custer Idaho What are you doing about Salt Lake now I am offlcmg with Colonel TT week we are mining together and manipulating man-ipulating mines WERE ALONE AT THE TIME Who all were present at the tirm > this conversation occurred Nobody but Mr Law and myself at the time wa were talking Just Mr Law and yourself At the time we were talking yes sir You were alone together There were others present at the other end of the barBut But no one near enough to hear thin conversation No I guess not So this conversation then occurred between you and Mr Law Between him and myself yes sir How long had you known Mr Law I was introduced ti > him on the iloi > r of the house by Mr Davis When About three weeks ago Did you meet him at any tim after that Casually yes But to talk to him No only to pass the time of day Your first acquaintance with him then was three weeks ago by an introduction in-troduction on the iluor of the house Yes sir You never met him except to speak to him and pass the time of day until this Saturday No What time Saturday was it It was nearlj between I and 4 cltxk a lit tie after 4land 5 Vclock In the afternoon In the afternoon After this sensation had been sprung Sensation after the sensation had ben sprung This was on the llth i > f the month Saturday Three weeks ago Two weeks a week ago last Saturday Then one week after you were intro duced to him you say h took you into his confidence He did nothing of the kind Did he tell you this confidential Ha asked ma to take a drink and I told him I didnt want a drink I would take a cigar I ask you if he told you this confidentially confiden-tially He did not He did not Was he mysterious about it in any way Not that I could notice Nothing at all it was a general conversation con-versation was It not General conversation conver-sation Between he and you a matter uf ono week after you had been Introduced to him Yes In a barroom In a barroom At the Onyx I think it was Onyx Bank saloon yes sir DISCUSSED CANNONS SPEECH What started this conversation We were talking about the speech that Frank Cannon had made at the Theatre that was what started It What remarks were made about that do you remember Oh in a general way we werE commenting on the speech 1 his behalf iou were agreeing about it were you Yes sir areeing Ana what next occurred after you Sot through talking of that did thrugh tkng that you say or Ir Law that you thought that speech would have some effect toward defeatng McCune 7 What is the question ques-tion Did you or Mr Law either one say tat you thought the speech would have some effect upon the election or defeat of Mr McCune We thought it would have the effect of electing Sir Cannon te efect eiectn You thought i would have the effect of electing Mr Cannon that it would have a good effect on Mr Cannon and a bad affect for Mr McCune was that the idea That wa the Idea You were talking along those lines Yes sir And In talking along that way about what Mr aong ha said in his speech and the Grant letters and other things didnt Mr Law tell y > u Mr Stanton that he thought that that speech would operate to defeat M McCune No sir And that i would assist Mr Cannon in his election No sir Didnt hf > tell von that No sir Did you say that No sir You just remarked a moment ago that that was the conversation that YOU thought it would help Mr Cannon Yes sir Why do you say no now You put the question different that is why How different did I put it do you remember who was it said that he thought the speech would help Can non you or Mr Law I did I wasnt both of you then Oh we were discussing the question of the speech all the way through that both You stated a moment a of you said i didnt you We were both talkinc on that same question Didnt you just say that both of you said it Yes Why now do you say you did We both did in fat Is > your recollection very good about this con erjation that occurred on that day Oh I dont know as I could recall re-call all of i What caused vou to recall i at all two weeks afterwards I wasnt two weeks aftnrw arris i was only the following Saturday after Thursday was two Weeks Yes sir On Thursday the speech was made on Thursday and our conversation con-versation was on Saturday versaton Well then I have got mixed on my dates the date the speech was oh yes but wasnt i two weeks ago two week ago last Thursday that you had this conversation We had the conversation con-versation a week ago ist Saturday I was a week ago lust Saturday It was a week ago last Saturday It was not one week after you were first Introduced to him was i I said I didnt remember whether it wa a wpek Didnt you say i was a week after you were first introduced to him I presume it was a week That was the way you put i didnt yen Yes QUESTION OF DATE Now you say it was only abput awe a-we k ago I didnt say so How long l was il A week age last Saturday I was a week ago last Saturday That we had this conversation yes One week prior to the time Mr Law stood on the floor of the assembly and made these statements wa i do you understand the question ITes < I say was i I answered the ques tion awhile ago yes 1 am trying to fix the date Now are you certain that is the time are you A week ago from last Saturday A week ago from last Saturday Yes You heard him make this statement YesA A week had elapsed then after before be-fore the statement was mude Were you thinking anything particularly about H I didnt think anything mon aLout it no Did you charge your mind with what he said at that time I remembered he might be a remarkable man to do what he stated Did you charge your memory with that statement I say at that time I did yes You did Ys Car < fully Yes Why Because I thought it was remarkable re-markable for a man to make that statment You thought i was remarkable for ama a-ma to make that statement Yes Whom are you supporting for senator sen-ator I am not supporting anybody Not supporting A W McCune No sir sirHave you any bet on him No sir Do you say Mr Stanton that in your common conversation around upon the streets that you are not in favor of Mr Mciune No sir and you nor anybody else ever heard me say so You have not No sir Whom did you favor I first favored Judge Powers In favor of Who next I then was r I 2Ir Iannon when Mr Powers got down to a single blind vote You mean the ladys vote dont you Yes sir Now what ell was said after you pr > t through discussing this speech I a kcd him this why it was that they couldnt get Bywater over into supportIng support-Ing Mr 1snnon to get his vote He told me there was only one man who I had any great influence over Mr By I water and it was J man by the name cf A C Staten of Murray I dont know who he is Proceed What else did you say That is all Was that all that was said That a all Yeu were then discussing the ques tion of getting the Bywater tE What I conversation followed that That is all L allThat was not all that wa said That I was all that a said He told me to see this man See Staten Yes he then ordered Judge Loehrie to g out and get him a hack s he could make the train he only had eight minutes to make the train To get the train Yes sir What else was said That was all I Wasnt there something else said in the conversation No sir Not a word 0611 I Have you given i all to me on cross examination Yes sir i Every word you have said Yes sir i Or that was said I at that t e and place Yes sir REMEMBERED WHOLE CONVERSATION CONVER-SATION And you have remembered i verbatim ver-batim Yes sir there wasnt much to remember Word for word a i was stated Yes sir You have sand nothing about this remarkable re-markable statement yet in my cross examination How do you come t omit that Omit what This remarkable statement you speak of I have stated it To me on crossexamination You have asked me about i Is that your recollection that I have Yes sir It is Is that a good as your recollection lection Is Mr Stanton on these natters nat-ters I have a pretty good recollection recollec-tion tionHave I asked you one word about this statement which Mr Dickson interrogated in-terrogated you about You asked me about this conversation and I told you about the conversation as far as I could remember in relation to Mr Cannons speech Have you repeated that conversation conversa-tion at all yet in your examination either by questions asked by Mr Dick bon or by myself Not In full no Mr Dickson simply asked you the questions and you answered them quetons ansre Yes YesThat Is all TOU have said about i Yes YesSo you have said nothing to me about it at all have you Yes sir a Your recollection Is not faulty on that question No sir You say now you have told me that conversation I have told you what you have asked me I have asked you l what I bay I < I < I asked you was all that wa said there and you told me It w every word I word for word and that tilr Law was In a hurry ordered a hack had eight minutes to catch the train and left That wes all that was said about that That wa all that wa said about that You did not ask me any questions tions prior to that in a general way what was said Well you can tell me now that you did not tell me that You didnt ask me meI ask you if you remember now that I ba not asked you Yes What did Mr Law say to you now giving the conversation from the beginning be-ginning a you were standing there until he closed it and took the hack and left fqr the train He said this to me The whole thing now While we i were discussing the matter of Mr I Cannons speech and in general his remarks a made in the Theatre there I made a remark to him that I hoped Mr Cannon would be elected and Mc Cune defeated he said Never you mind I have got a scheme that will defeat McCune from ever being elected elect-ed United States senator and will put a stumbling block in his way HOPED FOR MCUNES DEFEAT And you told him you hoped McCune would be defeated Yes sir That is something now you havent told me before No sir Mr Dickson appeal to the record The Chairman He said that Testimony read Tetmony rea You stated that you hoped McCune would be defeated Yes sir You opened the conversation what ded he say in reply to that He said he had a scheme that would defeat McCune from ever being elected United States senator that he would put a block in his way Did he tell you anything about the conversation which he had with Mr John Quillan No sir Or about some man who had money If he would stick to what he said No sir sirThat he could expose McCune No sirDidnt tell you anything about that at all did he No sir Questions bv Mr Sorenson Had 11 Law been drinking then How Had Mr Law been drinking to any extent Yes sir He wa under the influence of liquor Yes sir Talked quite freely with you Yes sir considerably under the influence of liquor I thought Questions by Mr Cummings How long had you been talking with 11 Law Oh I think nearly a half nn hnlir n u I I And you had been agreed In your ideas as to the election of Mr Cannon or the desirability of electing Mr Can non How is that Your ideas coincidedthat is as to the election of Mr Cannon had they tle electon 4 not Yes sir So that you beme quite friendly and close in your conversation Yes SrI Questions by Mr Howell Did you and Mr Law go to the saloon sa-loon together No sir I went in there and he reached out his hand and shook hands with me and asked me to take a drink Was he with you in the saloon Yes sir sirDid he seem to be in there with any comDanion No sir But if he was he left his comaanion and engaged you in that conversation Yes sir Was that the second time you had met him I had first been introduced to him by Mr Davis on the floor of the house here Sheriff Davis of Box Elder Aver tall man by the name of Davis I dont know where he was from That was the second time you had met him I met him two or three times before that casually es 11 Whitney Did you say this was on Sunday evening Saturday even ins between 4 and 5 Mr Evans This was the second time you met him to talk with him Yes sr MANAGER HARRIS TESTIMONY Fisher Harris being sworn as a witness wit-ness in behalf of the defense testified as follows Direct examination by Mr Thurman Mr Harris where do you reside In this city at lOtS Third street How old are you I am 36 years old sirYou are manager of Mr McCunes campaign are you I am When did you commence as manager man-ager I was agreed that I should handle Mr McCunes campaign sometime some-time about the latter part of November Novem-ber as well as I recall the circumstance circum-stance now Who If anybody are associated with you in the management of his campaign cam-paign No one is associated with me with the title of manager but there are two gentlemen who are associated with me as advisors Who are they Mr D C Dunbar and Mr E W Wilson Is there no one else There are gentlemen gen-tlemen too who are occasionally call ed in to consult as to special questions but no one else with the title and authority thority of manager and assistant manager man-ager Is there anyone else employed by you in the interest of Mr McCune There who work are several gentlemen are ing for Mr McCune we have several eronloyees Name them Mr B Young What is Mr Youngs particular business busi-ness Mr Youngs business is to take care of the telephone to see that tta supply of cigars is kept properly the other man is Mr Morris a boy Mr Evans What is his first name The Witness dont know his first name sirwhose business it is to answer an-swer the telephone and run messages Are they the only ones that are employed em-ployed They are the only As employees They are the only ones regularly I employed as employees yes sir You have been giving the business your personal attention I suppose from the time since the contest commenced com-menced Yes sir Have you been present and active all I the time at and about headauarters Continually I What if you know you may state generally what constitutes the expense of the business operating the business of carrying on a campaign What ext ex-t se What expense Mr EvansDo you keep an exnense account Mr Harris I do not sir The hotel bill for rent of rooms the bar bill for lemonades and other things hack bills Hack bills you say Yes Bills for I telegrams stationery and occasionally stenographers bills I Telephone bills of course Yes sir I neglectr to mention that and perhaps per-haps some other small items that I do not recall Have you any employees who are paid salaries or per diems We have not now We did have under a regular agreement I presume you mean Yes Are you acquainted with Mr Ivins Ed Ivins I know him Are you acquainted with Mr Jackson Jack-son representative from this county to the legislature Very well sir TALKED WITH IVINS State whether or not you remember the circumstance of soliciting the support sup-port j of Mr Jackson for Mr McCune through Mr Ivins I ilo sir When did that take place Sometime Some-time during the middle or latter part of the month of January of this year State whether or not at that time you had any assurances of support from Mr Jackson I had been informed by Mr Chambers a member of the state senate that Mr Jackson would vote for Mr McCune whenever he asled him to do it Whenever Mr Chambers Chambers asked him to do it Asked him to do it Yes sir What dajLQf the week wa it if you remember that you solicitedMrJack soils support through Mr Ivins I was Sunday at the suggestion of Mr Ivins J 1 X t Just state what Mr Ivins suggested what was said At about 730 on Sunday afternoon Sunday evening rather I wa informed that some one wanted to talk to me at the telephone I went to the telephone and Mir Ivin was at the other end of the line he asked me if we wanted M Jackson vote tomorrow meaning Monday I hesitated a moment and asked him to wait started to open the door of the telephone booth when Mr Dunbar passed I said to him Dave Mr Ivins Mr Evans I object to what you sad to Dave as hearsay The Witness Sir Mr EvansI object to that a hear svay Go on just state what you did with I MoI it Mr Ivins I consulted with Mr Dunbar as to whether we wanted Mr Jack sons vote or not I will ask you what you mean by wantng Mr Jacksons vote your busi ness was to solicit votes I suppose Yes sir Generally Yes sir NO EFFORT TO GET JACKSON Had there been any question about getting Mr Jacksons vote Or attempting at-tempting to get it Not at that time we naant made any euort at aii to gel Mr Jacksons vote Well go ahead Mr Dunbar said that we should have Mr Evans I object to what Mr Dun bar said as being hearsay i The WtnessAfter consulting with Mr Dunbar I returned to the telephone and told Mr Ivins yes he then said something about coming over to talk to me and he did he reached thereabout I there-about half past eight he stated that he was quite sure that we could get Mr Jacksons vote that Is if we could get Mr Jackson and Mr Chambers together to-gether I urged him to do that if possible pos-sible and he started out for that purpose pur-pose Mr Whitney Mr Ivins The Witness Mr Tins yes sir started out for that purpose He expressed ex-pressed T doubt as to whether he could find Mr Jackson readily I urged him very strongly to find him i possible and get him to meet Mr Chambers and to let me know the result of the interview inter-view he came back to me about ll3i the same night and Informed me that it was all right that Mr Jackson and Mr Chambers had had a conversation in his presence in the course of witch Mr Jackson had agreed to vote for Mr McCune There was some question however as to when Mr Jackson would do that 11 Ivins stated to me that Mr Jackson had said to Senator Chambers Cham-bers that 11 Ryan had entered into some obligation for him Mr Jackson by which he was required to cast sev eral votes for Judge King I said t him it is important that we should have Mr Jacksons vote tomorrow in order that he may show an increase over the vote Saturday and I would like to know distinctly whether Mr Jack n will vote with us tomorrow or not In fact I must know He said Well I think I can find him and get you the information infor-mation I left him at the Cullen hotel ho-tel I said Well perhaps you had hotter go and get that Information I but he says Mr Jackson may have left there I remember we looked at I our watches In that case I dont knew where to find him he may be in some of the resorts some of the other headquarters or he may have gone home and my business Is of such a character that I cannot neglect it too long I then suggested to him that i he take a carriage and make the rounds of these places if he failed to find Mr Jackson at the Cullen hotel and he said something about i being too expensive ex-pensive and I remember saying to him Oh damn the expense take three carriages car-riages I want to know whether that 1 rage whetwT man is going to vote for us or not and with that he went away HARRIS WAS TIRED Where were you standing at that time We had walked from the table in the long green parlor to the head of the stairs as I recall it and it was there I that the conversation occurred I was very nervous very tired r remember I thinking Why in the world dont the man go and find Jackson and not stay hero talking to me about it Your solicitude for the Jackson vote was that you might show your candidate candi-date was gaining That was the idea sir sirDid Did you Mr Harris by word or deed or thought send Mr Ivins out to bribe Mr Jackson or to attempt to bribe him Mr Evans That is a question for the committee to determine now unless Mr Harris tells everything that was said They are the judges of his thoughts Mr Thurman Weil it seems that Mr Ivins himself had thoughts I Mr DicksonYes and If I remember correctly Mr Evans you In the examination exam-ination of Mr Ivins and 11 Jackson also asked him more than once each of them the Impression made on them Argued by counsel Mr Harris did you see Mr Ivins last Monday night at the McCune headquarters headquar-ters in a room In which were Mr Dun bar Mr Wilson Mr Sloan Judge Dickson Mr Van Cott and myself I did sir And yourself State if on that occasion occa-sion in undertaking to state the facts that you have been stating that is relating re-lating to the same transaction state if he did not then say In that presence that when he left you at the head of the stairs just before that he suggested suggest-ed or you suggested a carriage He did didAnd And never mind the expense He did I Stewart May I ask that that question be read Question r a Mr Stewart wanted to get clear on the answer Did you suggest or he suggest the question implies it seems to me two Mr Thurman was notclear which the witness said and what I want is the testimony of this witness that the carriage was mentioned a that time right at the time when Mr Harris said never mind the expense Mr Dickson He mentioned i Mr Evans If he mentioned I I dont care which one did The Witness Is that the question for me now Mr StewartI did not understand I from the answer whether he suggested it or you suggested it The Witness In a previous conversation conversa-tion not the particular conversation referred re-ferred to in the question he did mention men-tion something about a carriage and when asked by me to state positively when the carriage ho referred to was mentioned he said at the head of the stairs on the occasion of his last visit that night t me Questions by 11 Stewart He suggested a carriage just a he let Either he or myself I dont know what he said as to that You dont know whether you suggested suggest-ed or whether he suggested i I know that I suggested i because he said something about expense or timekeeping time-keeping him from his business to walkabout walk-about to these various places and find 11 Jackson if he did not find him at the Cullen hotel And you suggested that he take a carriage Just a he left Three carriages riages I necessary to get this information infor-mation maton Mr Dickson Now the question is what Mr Ivins said last Monday evening even-ing In the presence of the gentlemen named In Mr Thurmans question Mr Thurman Yes Questions by Mr Thurman I will ask you If on that same occasion occa-sion Mr Ivins In relating his version of this transaction did not first omit to say anything about the carriage In the last conversation He did And if you did not then say to him Mr Ivins did you not mention you might have to go to his home and suggested a carriage and did he not say Yes you did He did NO IMPROPER INFLUENCE One more question I believe Mr mor queston bIeve Harris I willask you if you have any personal knowledge whatever pf any money being used or any promise to pay money OT any other thing of value fa the corruption of any menibcr of I for the Mr legislature McCune or to influence their vote cu Mr Evans One moment dont answer swer that please I object to that a being general and Immaterial Mr Dickson We offer to show by this witness who has been In charge of the ftampolgn a well a by Mr cCune himself we will make the same offer then an Mr Evans in his own Judgment Judg-ment may object to it or not we offer to show t the members of this committee com-mittee by witnesses under oath that the cpg of Mr McCune ha bee absolutely ab-solutely pure s fa a the use of any means to obtain votes or any member of the legislature is concerned and that so far as the witness now upon the stand is concerned the campaign man ager having the campaign of Mr Mc Cune In charge Is concerned that he not only did not himself but that to his personal knowledge there never ha been a dollar used improperly to influence influ-ence the vote of any member of the legislature there has never been a promise to expend a dollar to pay a dollar in the future a any consideration considera-tion whatever for the vote of any member bet of the legislature that there have been no means used within the knowledge knowl-edge of the witness except what were strictly honorable and proper to b used We will offer when Mr McCune comes on the stand to make the same proof by him and the committee can exercise its judgment as to whether they desire to hear proof of that kind Argued by counsel 11 Hovell Inasmuch as the complaint com-plaint alleges that and the main witness wit-ness testifies to it I move that Mr Harris be allowed to answer that ques Lion ton Mr Cummings second the motion The question was then put and the chair declared It carried Question read No sir I have not I I had I would nt be with Mr McCune Icune HOW MONEY WAS SPENT Crossexamination by Mr Evans Do you handle all the money that is being used In this candidacy of Mr McCunes All that I know anything of ofDo Do you handle all that is being used I think so You think you do Yes sir Have ou an account of the money you have been handling I have not Have you kept an account 1 have notHow How then do you account to Mr Mc Cune I do not account to him Do not account to him No sir Doesnt he pay you any money I beg your pardon do you ask me whether he pays me for my personal service or for list In the campaign For use What money I need I get from Mr Cune Dont you keep an account of that J do not Why not Simply because I do not I never have How does he know that you use the money which he gives you I suggest 11 Evans that he could probably answer that better than 1 I remember remem-ber If you will permit me to say that I asked Mr McCune I he wanted me to take vouchers for expenses and he laughed at the idea I dont know whether you know it or not but I am very busy and have been very busy and I have no bookkeeper and no stenographer How much money have you received from him I cannot answer that question ques-tion at this time I can look it up for ton tme you Have you an account I would have I to get the information from some other I source What source Mr McCune he would know And have you accounted to him for the money paid out I have never accounted to him He has never asked me to account to him for one cent in this campaign Then so far as any record is concerned con-cerned it is not in existence I is not In existence No sir I would rest entirely upon memory Yes sir entirely upon memory Who are the occasional advisers besides be-sides 11 Dunbar and Mr Wilson There are no occasional advisers Unless un-less you mean by occasional advisers those who come in and are asked questions ques-tions Who are they who occasionally are asked questions and advice Mr Christiansen Mr Soren X Christian sen of Sanpete county Mr Byron Groo is one Judge Elias Smith Is one I have asked 11 Moses Thatcher questions ques-tions and George W Thatcher I do tons not know that I can recall any others at this moment but there are others doubtless What is the position of Mr Sloan Oh Sloan I forgot him Yes add Sloan He is not so unimportant an adviser that his name should be overlooked is icY That I forgot but I do not mean by that that he Is unimportant at all Is it not true that Mr Sloan is gin i ing his whole time to tills campaign I think that is largely true His undivided attention Not en tit ely but nearly so NO MCUNE PALROLL Have you a payroll I have not How do you pay these people who are working for you We do not pay them salaries I do not pay them You give them money occasionally For the performance of certain matters which we desire them to do for expense ex-pense Is Fred Turner employed by you Not employed he is here and is aiding aid-ing us but he is not employed by me Isnt there any understanding that he is to receive anything at all for his work Not the slightest no He has been here three weeks Perhaps he has been here three weeks And the question of his services has not arisen No sir Dont you expect to pay him In all probability we will ask him to accept something for his time Do you remember the amount of money which you have already paid him I have not paid him anything Do you know whether Mr McCune ha I think not Is Mr Monson in the employ Noir No-ir What is his position Mr Monson mav be taken in the list of occasional advisers u I Have you mentioned all your oca sional advisers now I think perhaps I am not sure Any friend of Mr Mc a Cune or mine would be included l there was any particular question of which he was informed Is not 11 Greenwood Mr Greenwood Green-wood and Mr Melville are both about there quite frequently I have never advised with them You have somebody there from allover over the state so that It covers the en i ire state No sir we do not cover i the entire state Youcover Cache county by Mr Turner Tur-ner Moses Thatcher and George That cher you have mentioned You cover Davis county dont you We Ijave noon no-on from Davis ExSheriff R E Dais of Box Elder El-der he Is there all the time Isnt he a I regular employee He Is not a regular regu-lar employee I understand Mr Davis is giving his entire time to the cam laign Do you understand he Is giving that without reward I do not have the lightest idea that he Is You understand that he Is to be remunerated munerated He is not from Davis county he is from Box Elder I stand corrected Who else have you from Box Elder I do not recall anyone any-one else now Now we come down to Weber county who have you from Weber Mr Newton New-ton Farr is there Excounty clerk I do not know Who else from Weber I think of no one else at this moment Who have you in your employ there from Morgan county No one that I know of Salt Lake county you have men tinned a number Yes Who from Tooele None from Tooele Do you know whether Robert Sloan I had any particular missionto perform to secure the vote of certain individuals or members I never heard that his I mission was such it was general I i J > I is general Yes sir Who have you from Utah county Judge Milner Iner He has been there all the time No sir occasionally He is one you did not mention before be-fore I did not mention his name as an adviser an occasional adviser but I dO recall the fact In connection with the judge that the question was raised as to Mr McCunes citizenship and Judge Milner being on the spot and the citizenship records of the court being at Provo I commissioned him to obtain ob-tain a certified copy of 11 McCunes certificate of citizenship Isnt he native born I understand not notWhat What nationality is he Mr DicksonOh I object to that as immaterial I EVANS WAS CURIOUS Mr Evans It was merely curiosity on my part Who have you herefrom Juab county coun-ty No one Havent you Mr Bryan No sir Havent you had him here Mr Bryan Bry-an has been here Hasnt he been there and one of the parties connected with the headquarters headquar-ters Mr Bryan has never been an adviser Mr Bryan is a distant relative rela-tive of Mr McCune and very waIl Interested in his success but not an employee or an occasional adviser You have Mr Hyde there also from Juab No sir I have seen him there quite frequently but not interested with us In any way except as a friend I never consulted with him and he never did anything for us that I know I of Have you anyone from Miljard I Greenwood and Melville are about quite frequently They have been there all the time Practically all the time Greenwood Melville has been here occasionally Washington county No one Anyone from Wasatch No sir Grand No sir Ulntah Yes Who Mr John G Davis That is a new name you had n8t mentioned before Mr Davis was simply brought over to ascertain the condition in Uintah county He was chairman of the Democratic county cpmmlttee and some question was raised rais-ed as to the character of Instructions that had been given to Uintah countys representative He wa here oerhaos two weeks He has been gone a long tino Anyone from Garfield No sir Now havent you a list of men who are working for you No sir Names and addresses No sir Did you expect there would be a election on Saturday last I was sure of itWould Would you mind giving us the information infor-mation as to whom you expected to vote for McCune No sir I will give it with pleasure gve I is not a matter of confidence No sir not that I know of I did not understand un-derstand that i was NEW VOTES COMING Who were they I was informed that Senator Rireout Mr S W Stewart Mr Larson ana Mr Henry Peery would vote for McCune on Saturday giving him 32 votes Who informed you Mr McCune and 11 Moses Thatcher informed me of I Senator Rideout and Mr Stewart Judge Thurman Informed me as I remember re-member now of Mr Larson and Mr Dunbar informed me of Henry Peer at half past 9 oclock Saturday morning morn-Ing I telephoned my wife that I would be home to stay the campaign would be over that day You were disappointed again I wasThat report had gone out every day I for two or three week past No sirs I That you thought McCune would be elected No sir I never heard i I did hear it once before but knew it would not happen I was a street rumor mor I moruiu n u u uiu you nave any talK wun jir Jic Cune about Mr Law on Saturday morning I was in the rear room of the McCune headquarters when Mr McCune came in and said that he had been called up by telephone by Mr Law and that he was going to meet him at the Wasatch drug store That was all al He did tell you that he had been tele phond He told the crowd At that time you had assurances of an election by thirtytwo members As I have told you yes Did you think it was strange that he would go out of his headQuarters being be-ing assured that he would be elected by Democratic votes to see a Republican I Repub-lican I believe I did think It rather odd The Impression that crossed my I mind at the time wa that It was unnecessary un-necessary but perhaps i was courtesy to a member of the legislature that he I might very well afford to pay Have there been other Instances of that kind where Mr McCune has been called to meet legislators In various I parts of the city I dont recall any at this moment not definitely I He went did he Put on his coat and went Yes sir I Pretty quickly after he got word Not hurriedly but within a few moments I thinlr In what wa he engaged at the tm I do not he received that message know I think in t talking with the gentlemen gen-tlemen there who were about him perhaps per-haps hapsCELEBRATING CELEBRATING IN ADVANCE Felicitating each other upon the prospective pros-pective election that day You mortify mor-tify me now we were you embarrass me Commltteemen Whats that Question and answer read Notwithstanding that Mr McCune Notwithstnding his coat and left as you state put on hat do you remember whether he took his cane I do not recall that I suppose sup-pose he did Didnt you have 3 little discussion there between yourselves you and John Evans and Moses Thatcher to whether it wa proper I was not a McCune asked discussion I think Mr aked the question and the gentlemen around gave their opinions I said I saw no reason why he should not go Mr reaon Thatcher said the same thing I believe be-lieve Mr Evans se perhaps he better that distinctly not go I do not recall distnct When he came back from that conversation con-versation did he see you I think In ill likpllhnnd hf < dlrt You remember that he came back I Oh yes there is no question about that He came back but whether he saw me or not just at the moment of his coming back I am unable to say Dont you remember his coming back there and telling you he thought Mr telng Tanner would vote for him Mr Law I meanthough he was not needed Some remark of that kind was made I do not know whether by Mr McCune or not Isnt it your best recollection that he did I do not recollect I beg you to remember that the place was absolutely absolute-ly packed or thickly populated with at the time people who were talking tme I may have been made by Mr Mc Cune and come to me from someone else Isnt that your best recollection that McCune came back there and reported that he did not think he was needed but that he believed Law would vote for him on that day I have said to you that Mr McCune made no special report of that character to me Wasnt it reported there in the house in his presence I have a dim recollection of a rumor of that kind beIng be-ing about those rooms but no special report was made to me That was understood there wasnt It To tell the truth about i he didnt care careWasnt that the understanding In the headquarters that morning after he came back that he would get another vote In addition to those names you have mentioned and who you expected to elect him I remember in going from room to room talking with different dif-ferent gentlemen that from some quarter quar-ter there came a rumor that there would be another vote yes But where it came from or what it was I am unable to recall You heard i was Law didnt you I heard i was Law and heard that i was Taylor too COULDNT HAVE BEEN HAPPIER I suppose then there was a little between the increased felicity existing parties there I would have been impossible im-possible to have increased our felicity at that time You aw Mr Ivins up there on Sunday Sun-day ning what date do you re nng memhp o sir I do not Mr I Chambers can tell the date We have the date Mr Harris how many conversations did you have with him that evening Three One over the telephone the other two in the rooms Then the first conversation which he had with you was in the rooms I will ask you i i is not a fact that he said to you there that he believed that if he could find Jackson and take him to Mr Chambers office and have a talk with Chambers that he would come to McCune and vote for him Monday I Yes sir And did he not likewise state that he would have some difficulty in finding him I dont recall that he did at that time I dont recollect all the details of that conversation Perhaps he may have said something of the kind That he had difficulty to find Jackson Jack-son because he had gone from place to place and might not find him Perhaps Per-haps he said that And did not you say to him Well you better get a carriage and hunt him up and let him see Chambers and see i if you cannot secure his vote I may have suggested that yes I dont remember re-member Were you in conversation with him alone We were standing in the front parlor of the headquarters 11 Ivins was sitting across the edge of the table ta-ble and I had one foot on a chair People Peo-ple were passing back and forth We were not talking boisterously I was an ordinary conversation I was not an ordinary conversation for all to hear No sir Did not you tel him very earnestly that night that he must secure the Jackson vote in that conversation I told him very earnestly to get Jackson and Chambers together and If possible arrange for the Jackson vote on Monday Mon-day Previously tothat had Ivins told you that Jackson would l go to Mr McCune j is at any time when McCune could be elected I think that In the course of I that conversation he said that he was quite sure Jackson would come to Mc Cune and when Mr Chambers requested request-ed him to do so and I was anxious to get them together You expected that he would Yes I And you probably told him to get a carriage in that first conversation and hunt him up I dont recollect particularly partic-ularly as to the carriage proposition How long was he gone before he returned re-turned Half past 1 oclock When he returned he told you he had seen Jackson Yes sir And he talked with Chambers and that Jackson was a little in doubt about whether he Would leave King Didnt he tell you that Jackson said he I had been voting for King and didnt want to leave him at that time but when he did leave he would go over to I McCune and would stay with him That is not the way I understand the conversation How do you understand it JACKSONS OBLIGATIONS TO KING That he was ready to leave King as soon as he had discharged certain obligations ob-ligations t King and the question then arose whether that comprehended more than one or two ballots on Monday You understood that JacKson was not ready to vote for McCune he could not tell exactly when he would vote for McCune You wanted his vote Monday Mon-day Yes And that was what you were so earnest nest about Yes Where was this conversation I was held somewhere in the quarters just exactly where I cannot remember now I I may have been in the front room It may have been one of ths others What do you call that room where there is a partition That is the oil room Was it there I do not recall whether I it was there or not Wasnt it In that room aion with Mr Ivins Yes it may have been I dont remember You took him in there did you not to talk I he went in there I invited him In I was private and more secluded than any other place Less secluded than any other room You have been there havent you I have been but I do not remember it is a little room In which the bathtub bath-tub Is and a sideboard I may have been in that room but it is impossible for me to recollect now Is that the place where you regenerate regener-ate Democrats give them their annual bath What is the purpose of it Of the bath No that room That Is the room wh re we wash our hands Why did you take Ivins there I dont know that I did Perhaps I did I Is Impossible for me to recall which room he went In At all events you were alone with him at that time Perhaps I was i c Why did you think Mr Harris that It was necessary for you to be alone with Ivins If Jackson was coming over whenever he was needed You have stated two propositions there thatif you will pardon me are not exactly correct The first Is that I have said that I took Mr Ivins Into a secluded place I have not said that and the I second nssumnUnn is thn T ir > vr I Jackson would vote for Mr McCune whenever he was needed I have not said that You understood that he would No not particularly I understood that when 11 Chambers requested Why did you take him Into the room I I did in order that we might talk without being interrupted In passing from that room to the stairway how many rooms do you pass through Come out of the bathroom into the bedroom then into the parlor and then into the hall and to the head of the stairs You passed through the bedroom parlor and hall Yes sir You did pass out that way did you not I think so And Mr Ivins preceded you did he not Did what to me Preceded you I am not sure he may have Is not that your best recollection I have no recollection upon the subject as to whether he preceded me or not Didnt he precede you through those rooms and across the hallway to the stairs He may have done so Isnt that your recollection Mr Harris Har-ris I Is impossible for me to recall whether he preceded me or I receded him or whether we walked side by side There are three ways which way I am unable to say I will ask you this question didnt you follow him from that room and as you went through those rooms I dont recollect that I followed him or whether wheth-er he followed me or we were side by side sideWhat What is your best recollection You remember his testimony about that dont you I was in the papers I did read i I dont recollect After this conversation in that room didnt he get up and go out didnt he pass through those rooms We never sat down in whatever room we were Didnt you follow him along in a courteous manner until you got to the hallway and stairway I did it in a courteous manner I am quite sure but whether I followed or preceded I couldnt say Do you think it would be an act of courtesy to walk ahead of him I can Imagine circumstances in which that would be nroper What is your rule of etiquette I am governed by the conditions At least you walked with him or ahead of him or followed him to the stairway did you Yes Clear out to the stairway Yes That is ri h Yes When you got to the head of the stairway you say he talked about finding Jackson at the Cullen Yes He thought possibly he might be there but suggested the possibility of not finding him and the further difficulty of finding find-ing him If he was not there Didnt you say this gesticulating You go out and find Jackson and get his vote at any expense Do you wish me to state as to the gesticulation with the finger too HARRIS REQUEST OF WINS And looking him in the eye I think perhaps I did say find Jackson and find out whether he is to vote with us That Is the motion I generally make indicating indi-cating When speaking of votes Yes He went did he I think so You said get three carriages Yes any number I was anxious to get that information You didnt think he could occupy three carriages I think that was a figure of speech Mr Whitney Hyperbole Yes hyperbole hy-perbole That was to impress upon him the importance of letting me know whether Jacksons agreement with Chambers comprehended the vote on Monday or not that was important information in-formation at least I imagined it was Ivins passed on did he Yes Immediately I think so He didnt annoy you there by holding hold-ing on to youI think you stated von tried to get rid of him Have you ever talked long to Mr Ivins Didnt you say In your examination inchlef that you wanted to get rid of him If I did it was true You say you do not remember whether he or you led the way That Js true Did they return that night Ivins and Jackson No sir Didnt you think it strange or did you not7 No I did not Mr Thurman desire to ask you whether anything was said in the conversations con-versations with Mr Ivins about Jackson Jack-son to the effect that Jackson had said to Chambers in Mr Ivins presence that Mr Jackson might vote for Mc Cune if his campaign was honest and clean Was there anything of that kind in the conversation or not I do not recollect anything of that kind It may have been said Mr Stewart will ask you if at the time or before Mr Ivins left you on the stairway did you make any such statement state-ment to him as Go get Jaclrsons vote and never mind what the cost or expense is I never made any such statement as that to Mr Ivins at a = v time Or that In substance I may explain as to that I have testified as you will find by the record and the statement I did make t > Mr Ivins and I find that a certain construction has been olaced uoon the statement I reiterate now the statement I made preu > usly that I deny the construction that was placed upon it bv Jackson I wanted to know whether von did deny the construction that Mr Ivins placed upon it I do not understand thnt tr T1n I understand it was Jackson who placed the wrong construction upon itI I understood Ivins to say that you said to him Go and get the Jackson vote and never mind what the expense or cost may be I say in answer to thatI said what I said here oardon me damn the expense get three carriages car-riages I want to know whether he is going to vote with us tomorrow or not Thats all Adjourned until 930 oclock this morning |