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Show MAYOR FRANCIS, I BRENNAN AND I BRISTOLSPEAK I All Declare Ogden Is Hurt By Southern Pacific Discrimination. j SEPARATION IS URGED Salt Lake Witnesses For Union Pacific to Testify Monday. ( Special Dispatch.) WASHINGTON, Dec. 2 In the : hearing of the Southern Pacific controversy con-troversy over the unmerglng of the Central Pacific before the Interstate commerce commission today, Mayor , Prank Erancls, James Brennan, Ralph ' Bristol and E. O. Foubcrt, traffic ex-pert, ex-pert, appeared In behalf of Ogden ; and northern Utah, in support of the I intervention by Ogden city and of Brlgham., Logan. Purk City, Cedar j 'Tty. and many other Utah cities and towns, Insisting that the supreme . ourt dec ree separating tho Southern Pa Ific and Central Pacific should bo I carried out without delay. i j LITTLE CROSS-EXAMINATION. j 1 he witnesses, beginning with Mayor Francis, were given most re- ; Bpectful consideration and were not .ro -s-ex.-i ruined at an) length . I tdayor Francis gave the early hls- tory of the Central Pacific and traced the 1 fleet of discriminations practiced against the Central Pacific by the I Southern Pacific. He dwelt on the importance of ogden as an industrial j 'center and declared that i )gden would be I Ity Of 100.000 if given all that I is Ogden h In a railroad way, and ;that h" believed the divorcement of the Central Pacific, followed by lnde- pendebl operation or unification with j the Union Pacific would more than H j double the population of Ogden and make it the operating hub of th'j ' Union Pactfic System BRENNAN WITNESS. Mr Brennan testified at length to the livestock situation and said that With the Central Pacific absorbed by ithe Union Pacific Ogden would be-come be-come the largest livestock point west of the Missouri river. Mr. Bristol told of th absence of any effort by the Southern Pacific to build up the Interior country and In his opinion said the unmerger would end the discrimination wbi. b H j has been practiced bv the Southern i Pacific against the Ogden gateway. Mr. Foubcrt testified as a traffic expert on the matter of rates In prov-I prov-I lng discriminations against shipment from Utah to and from the Paclfio J coast. These witnesses were examined by I Attorney James Devlne. counsel for It'gden. Monday the Salt Lake wit-nessea wit-nessea for the Union Pacific will ap-pear ap-pear anel will be examined by At-torm At-torm v Charles Holllngsworth LM an M i HIEF TESTIFIES. WASHINGTON, Dec 2 -Testimony favoring the separation of the South-em South-em Pacific railroad from the Central Pacific began coming into the Inter-st Inter-st ite commerce commission hearings n the subject today, from an array H 61 Individuals and communities In different parts of the west Warren S. Stone. ;rand chief of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. and other officials of Inbor unions also were- heard, however, as the COnclud-ing COnclud-ing witnesses c,i!l.-d by South' rn H Pacific counsel In their preliminary presentation of evidence and arpu-ment arpu-ment supporting that company's .., : plication to perpetuate the merger. ' Mr. Stone and the other labor spokesmen objected to the breaking; of the merger, they said, because older men In train service- would loss-seniority, loss-seniority, would bo obliged to move from homes they have established, .ml also mich' lose present employment employ-ment completely. UNION PCUTC WITNESSES-Among WITNESSES-Among witnesses first called to argue fOl the separation of the two I roads were A. W, Heillawa v , Saline, Kan , grain and mill operator; O. E. Poubert, traffic expert, representing the Ogden, Utah, chamber of com- i I meroe, and other associations and I communities; and F C. Richmond, 'salt Lake City, as a business represon- H .tativo and community official. They declared the Central Pacific, as an Independent concern. would bo strengthened as a transcontinental carrier producing a generally competitive com-petitive railroad service. "The Central Pacific, associated as it now Is with the Southern Pacific, Is not a constructive road, said Mr. Richmond, "and is not developing the latent possibilities of its territory, as much as H would, were it an independent inde-pendent line. "Opinion among tho business mn of our community is generally lr, tavor of complying with the supremo court mandate ordering the dissolution dissolu-tion of this association " I STONE'S TESTIMONY. Warren S Stone, grand- chief of the brotherhood of Locomotive Engineer ! told the commission ho feared a j (Continued on Page Two) MAYOR FRANCIS i IS WITNESS (Con tinned from Page One.) separation would endanger seriously: the Interest of the roads' employes. I "If this segregation takes place," he said, "large nunit.. rs of our older men now on the Southern Pacific will havo to move away from terminals where they have est a hi Ishod homes nnd made them-elves pinoe in life, while considerable numbers of others win 1m forced out of employment. Seniority meana (everything to our men in train service, because hy It they have worked th missives up to plaros of responsibility and regularity in employment. Separation of these two railroads means wiping away by a stroke of the pen accomplishments of a lifetime for these men. It's a sacrifice sac-rifice of the entire body. 1 i:RS DEOTRUCXnON. "In the general aspect. I nee this separation proposal aa complete destruction of a transcontinental rail-' mad and the making of two fourth-! Class railroads. It means turning over the entire Pacific coast to the I'nlon Pacific." Commissioner Potter asked Mr. Slone whether labor Interests would be menaced If there la set up an: independent Central Pacific system, with on.' line down the Ban Joaquin ' ill ", and n second to Sacramento competing with the Southern Pacific") "Yeg," Mr. Stone returned, "because it will prevent us from transferring! our men during Black pcrlod3 in the BOOth to the northern end of the Southern Pacific system where thero j Is work." Similar objections to tho ocpnra-' tlon derree v made by E. A. Larrleu.' general chairman of th conductors' organisation on the Southern Pacific system Loss of seniority, necessity of abandoning home.s and In some cases loss of employment, the witness said, would be Involved In separation of t he two roads. |