Show I iii of 01 the Dum JV wi by bV Frank G U 1 Copyrighted by Frank Fronk O 0 J Carpenter w 1 U n reg Peb 3 I My I Interview today Inlay Is I with t t i nn Independent ent employer A V A who win has lim boon been bc successfully organized labor for tor or W W more mOTe than a n decade and who linn has 10 ns na n to labor and capital n 1 J rufer to Oen Orny Oil Otle the lira oil JIll tor and RM chief owner of ot tile Ilia Los of ot the great newspaper prop I of ot the tar far west wot Oen Oils has boa edited ho the Times tot for more morl than a quarter fl lIf i ter teror of a n century he lie lint has employed nil rill aorta of labor Jr cud In 1899 IB his Ida w was Willi s tilled Oiled with union Inen They made inane cur curtain tarn tain demands which Otis OIs to III grant Brant They struck nil Otis whoso education In fighting 1 began if gun with four yearn elirA In our Civil war Will fought bach bucic Ho Ile filled his hid with nonunion non men Me Ito boycotted but he continued to tight fight and hw lox been blon lighting over oer taking Inking only on I one during which he vrn was a II In the Phit and on no the tho tiring line at nt the time of ot our Spanish war IN My lily mention wax its n to 10 labor con cnn on 1111 tho Pacific slope Mope leu ten Olla Otte replied In where I 1 the live We ve have hac to n a largo extent freedom treed om We WI nn tiro free tr e front and n ns nR n a perhaps we W art ar growing more In ro that any other oth r part of tho Mate We IVe v nee lite building f 18 pumping oil out mil min mineral orals eral and becoming b rich It IH III differ different r rent ent In Bin RII co The Iho labor lobar situa situation ton tion thon Is la bud bad nut t serious disturb disturbances In 1 r ances have havo been beMi going on for tor n a long longtime Inn longtime time tin Tho The effect tine ben been b n to paralyze paralyse V activity cripple commerce rind manufactures mono The Tho lo 10 losses fon into tho the ho and tha th greatest losses been bem fell frit by labor lobor fuel because least able oble to stand them Thorn have peen been boycotts and frequent acts netH net of ot Industrial violence owing to the tho domination of or the unions union men Ien hwe b I en ell maimed and murdered for tor refusing to todo todo todo do their bidding TUB TIIE S UNIONS Ii What do you think of ot the tho growth of tit the tho unions Will Wll they ever control I 1 the labor of the thc country I think trot not They constitute I only a n small percentage of nil 1111 the toilers anti J the will never to a tho the too ton often ort n lawless In min minority only It cannot do d HO ao In the very vory na nn nature ture turo of the th case cn Industrial freedom n In Is ns os ui as freedom IKI pa pat freedom or religious freedom My Myn t position IH Ix that every citizen hUll hips tho the n lawful tight right to tel pursue undisturbed and unhampered lawful occupation In III Inn hta n a lawful way and to he be protected In that right by tho the whole power of ot tho the government If It need be This Is 18 warranted by Iy the tho I thou anti and the law rod nothing 1101 less lesa than Ih n this will nerve As AI to the growth of the trades unions that would woula not bo be a 11 menace to 10 the tho country If Ir their tendencies clew cies cle were lere not eo so unreasonable and monopolistic ns nn many of them have teen been In recent yearn 1 hire never liver opposed unions ns nil such lIuch but only their tendency toward As JI they arc aro today their domination would para parn lyre Ito Industry and 1 be an nn Intolerable dee do The Tho right not to Join unions IH Is OR o a f e d an un tho the right to 10 join them and It In he not for one class of citizens ns to sy say what another class shall or hall not nOl do In this regard LAUGHS ENEMY p five moyour mo your our Idea Idt of or the labor situ Gen aen Oils Otie It Il Is abnormal thren aning bad bR bail I Ins was wae ns the tho reply U It Is a n serious draw back baci bac to the Ihu progress of or country The ThC remedy lies lice In tho the of the laws law UH us they stand We W dont need new legislation but ut we wo must enforce the existing laws In Tho The fundamental right of independent labor moot munt be pre preserved preserved served and the liberty of or all 01 workmen he be protected If It It Is III nott molt nit all l will suf suffer fer ter t r tl and the laboring classes most 1110 t What labor needs need U la to be bs pro protected cl from itself What Vitot do you OU mean by UY that gen en oral craU 1 J naked I mean that organized labor has so po far drifted from the right lines Ines that It Is IR Isnow isnow now the most bitter foe toe of nt Its It II n hiral brothel unorganized labor which It 11 Is 18 t wickedly attempting to 10 crush Capital lis IB Is not the natural foe foo of or tabor labor organized or ed but organized labor Is III lighting not only Jill the employers upon whom It must mURI depend for WORM wages but butt Also all nil other elapses of ot labor which It Itcan itcan can never It U In I the greatest t enemy that labor has Ind It Is le at atthe atthe atthe the same FOme time a 11 menace to 0 tho Iho t he coun roun country I try now MOW IT TO 10 UK nE live Give mo me somo KOmo of or your our own experiences CUes In labor matters mattera How sow does doea It U feel to bo bt boycotted It Is IN not pleasant a replied General Otis but one I uld feel reel worse ay no a 11 slavi II In I 1 will not deny that we were oro annoyed by the boycott hut hilt I believe belee we money mOlley by It H and nil all We e retained our own respect ns n men and ns its Americana The tory story of ot our trouble began 13 years year ago 10 when we 0 were confronted by a n strike In the Los Lo Angeles Times The Themen Themen Themen men In our composing rooms then walked d out Adequate cause CRUSO or provocation They crippled the tho of ot flee temporarily but we wo refuted refused to YIeld and stool fast against the boycott widen olden wax wan nt al once oneo Instituted Our but burl new ness was Ins Injured somewhat for the tho first few reW and nud I might say Iny for tor the tho first drat year Nevertheless the earnings of ot the paper slowly but t steadily In III Increased Increased creased and of ter the f st year gent they In III Increased Increased creased rapidly We WI refused to re Storo the Iho strikers striker Wo We defied de HI the boy boycott boycott cott cult and spurned Burned the boycotter r L the Tho people appreciated our action and the prosperity of ot tho rho paper hn hat hll been con ron confessedly confessedly great As AB It Is III now wo we pay tho highest td heat wages to 10 our skilled and faithful workmen and we have dis disbursed burned more than Ihan a million and a halt half y M J V c o r t 5 9 r rr r r 4 tt 1 r rf I T I f R 4 i i I Il iI 1 1 I MI i H I 1 ir 4 IN iaAL OTIS gold dollars for tor labor since the day da we e defeated that senseless end and strike rm AND What In a n 1 nutshell arc tiro the tho rule which should govern In the tha relations of at employers and I 1 naked asked In a I nutshell replied J Oon Oen Otis they are lito faithfulness fidelity sad de devotion to o 0 duty an the one OM hand good goad goodwill will III fair hours and antI good tood treatment on the tho other hand and fair play pinyon on both without unwarranted Interference by outside out persons or or Jr organizations not properly concerned In lu Inthe Inthe luthe the of ot either workman work mall or em cm employer 1 am a 0 worker myself continued Gen Orn Otis Oils and I maintain the tho right of or ormy my fellows to work and to make Inde lode Independent Independent pendent contracts with their employers employer I should like to see every worthy worth man and woman In the land who wishes to work employed at nt fair wages and at ut regular steady tend work High wanes wages for Cor short and Irregular periods give less money In the course of ot n a year thim than con eon employment at al a n moro morn mutter moler moderate ate y yet yot t fair rate of pay 1 I believe bellove that under right and free Iree conditions In the tha tabor labor market It Is possible for every competent workman In the country to 10 have work for tor days tn In tho trio year Cur and be paid accordingly What do you mean by right condi condl conditions 1 I I mn mean an those In t which t the lo h relations between the employer his men are aro satisfactory sn Such uch relations should whether tho labor Is 18 skilled or unskilled organized or un unorganized unorganized organized 1 mean that the tho workman should hould have hue good wages that his hili font fam family ily II should lio io well nourished well ell clothed anti well housed housen and At nt tho the same limo time have 1111 enough for tor health and recreation r Such Hach conditions condition are for the welfare anti contentment of or orthe the people and a n boon to la tho the state THI TilE DAYS 1 YS WORK Hll about the length of or the tho work workIng workIng Ing log tiny 1 I naked Time should hould bo he no contention about that paid Oen Oell Otis If It the Iho hour l I is trade lIode ho Iho basis of at labor tho the problem would be practically solved Theo Then the number of or hours bourn to trite tuto a working day lIa becomes n a second secondary any ary nr consideration and can be he adjusted without trouble Such mutters matters can eRn bo he arranged by L the parties Immediately concerned on Oil n a basis baslA to suit BUIt the tho requirements rev of or the business and Inti with advantage III to all nil concerned There Thre Ix is one thing that Is III very er Im Important n lI Otis went on It Is lo II more tore Important In ht many respects rC titan or fir hours Is I that the owner has tho the right to control his establishment the right to regulate the force and the tho output Ho Be must mu t bo he able to make n a 1 fair profit on an his product whatever wha lover It Il Ic Is I besides earning the annual Interest on the tho cost of ot the plant nn an Item never mover to 10 be bo left out of or the tho account Unless he Is 18 given Irlen n a free Iree hand to accomplish these things he cannot do n safe and sound Bound or growing business He lie cannot thrive himself or enable his hili people to thrive for long Ho lie cannot furnish the Iho greatest need of labor lallor which IH is certainly the steadiness of or employment fair wages mid repose repos Have i you OU ever been a n laboring t t mon man general Itc 7 Most emphatically M replied Oen mn Otis I know what It Is to work do dl nil all my business s associate I began hegau life lire as n n R farmers lay boy learned to rend read In it n log loA schoolhouse and grew up 1111 among people whom Industry true tnt frugality and nod free labor were ere the tho rules rule of or orlICe life lICe I am n II laboring man still For Forthe I Forthe or orthe the past 20 years carll during which I have I ice 11 building up tho file Los a Angeles Times rimes I l have hao worked more hours daily than most ost of or the thc men In my m employ I have never kept n a record of ot my hours hourn Inor nor charged for overtime though I 1 have often put In from rota 12 to 16 hours per ver day 1 week In week out This however Is III merely n 0 personal matter 1 mid of or little In connection with the question Ilu UIO SYNDICATES R AND TWISTS How flow will trill the grent Brent Industrial com corr combinations affect labor matters I ask td NI d I see no nn reason why wh they tile tho should not be fur for the tha good goal of oC labor provided the combinations are arc kept within the tho plain Idaho limitations of ot the law In according to the wise wille policy of President Roosevelt Great combinations can cnn do great grent things thing They Thoy Tho can call handle Industrial problems which would be he beyond single Ingle Indi Individuals or small email capitalists Great Groat ar nt un require great rent dynamic forces Immense machin ry and enor error enormous capitol capital They call coil for tor many mapy won workmen n and td create opportunity for tor wages lItres The Tho real test lest U Is In tho the ques question ue tion ns lilt to whether tho combinations are lawful or unlawful Outside of this title they should not be bo restricted They should not be crushed merely mereb because they are big any nn more mure than email oper operators aloes and mid operations should bo be crushed because they the lime are small email All RIO are alike entitled to 10 the protection of or the tho law Such Sue combinations require some re restraint restraint restraint which should be bo the restraint restrain of or the law and trot not of ot public clamor Till CIVIC FEDERATION What do you think of or the compro compromise mise raise and arbitration policy of oC the tho civic federation general I noon mean tho the policy by Murk Mark llama Hanna nil II Samuel Gompers and others I think there here Is ts more or less leAS politics In It replied Gen den Otis It Is more theoretical than practical Mr Ir rind his hili people Ignoring tho the tact fact that the law Is III ample to do justice ju to 10 nil ell ellare are arc trying to substitute n a contrivance of ot their own for tor the th settlement of ot labor controversies on s The Tho same scone amount of or effort put pUl forth In enforcing the Con Constitution and tho the laws would have ho I nc tc moro more good Their basic though unexpressed purpose scenic to tobo tobo tobe bo be to cajol or force Coree the employer to tn give ghe way merely In order to tap stop thin the therow row No such plan of ot settlement can be bo permanent nt for tor It Is Ie not lIot right Tho The to give glo way In hr such controversies Is thE tnt side Bide whichever It may be he b that has hns been proved to be bo In the tho wrong UNCLE SAM SA I AND Im LABOR LAuon Hew II ow about the labor unions and the tho United States government There should be no labor unions among civil government said mild Gen den Otis You might im as well hell draft them upon the army nod navy The Tho government Is 19 and should he supreme su supreme preme and It ml cannot take tho the risk of ot labor unions to dictate to It ItIn ItIn Itin In nay particular The labor unionist who enters the tho government service should at once ollee drop his hili trade union al III alliances lances and acknowledge his hi allegiance glanco to 10 Undo Sam only You ou are connected with printing general how hOlY should the tho government net nut ns nil to tf organized labor In the Iho govern government government ment printing I have substantially answered nn Crell that was the reply I dont think the gov government gO emment should recognize any nil union directly or Indirectly In the tho government gov government o printing President was absolutely right In rat thin the Miller case when lie he Insisted on an Its It be beIng IllS hog An all open shop lie He went to the core oro of ot the mutter matter In that cap and nothing less than the th rules ho he laid down dawn can prevail unless Undo Sam Intends to ru ro tire lire from the business of or public publio print printIng Ing lag which ho evidently hits has no notion of or doing rill THI GOVERNMENT AND NON UNIONISTS How lIow far tn should the tho government KO Jo KOIn JoIn goin In Is Ps protection of or tho the nonunion man manIt It ll should go tho the whole length needed need needed ed erl to protect him Irma In Ills his right to work tor for whom and for tor what he ho pleases plen es The nonunion man tins Ima every ever r right IK lit pos possessed lOS sensed by the union man anon Ills His rights tights In fact superior enter to the llna union mans na n s rights so 80 long log ns RS ho he keeps himself with within in the limitations limitation of ot tho the law II for tor the tho union man does not do that He lie breaks out and undertakes cs to 10 monopolize nil all labor himself and at ot tho the same time cant see how any sane man |