| Show FAITH Jo AS t S AN It To lo the Editor Oser Oer the th dour of at a n shop In a certain J place lace wan wa this All 11 manner ut ur urI utI I and turning done hele heie Such Sudi Sudia Sucha a sign shin should be o over er the door of ot thu tho th of HIlt tho I Just Juat tt Ii afew few tew points eLUIrO 1 further no notice not j t I tice All tall fair minded people will un understand that I did hl not Dot speak uk JUp S 5 when 1 I used the terms kinder kindergarten kIndergarten garten and om gratuitous Tho The r gai gat ten icu ts 18 the aon 11 t 4 thod and the use of ut that method la hi 1 a It ItI ai i none nune but the tho lUC Tuc philosopher in the tho would have to 0 convert himself Into a 11 I kindergarten It If ho made chil children S dren rell understand him This Is I I I the greatest of oC all nil Teachers did If U Paul had said ald Unit speaking m III tongues 1 etc eti would cento veao with the tho end of ut tho the thoI J I I world he ho would have stated n a nell Bolf 1 proportion which the editor eilor I t 4 of at the tho t o News Newa can cnn name to suit him himself t self tt he does not like my term Out Dut Q this Is l exactly what he does doe not suy ity n nand F and I 1 wits was defending him against tho the I charge that he hl does dou There Is lB a vast lIt f J 4 dO botven charging n Paul P with f making a gratuitous statement and anti charging charrIng that a certain Interpretation 4 of at his bli words would force toree him Into a Q 1 gratuitous statement f In Ills his zeal to support an on untenable position editor of ot the IheN News NewW 8 tt makes this reckless r assertion Signs SIGilli r were not gUnn gIvan to snake make x ope f f Hut as 1111 a the result of ot faith in sod God The ii power r to work miracles wn In part I the thc result of faith on tho the part art of ot the tho I performer but the purpose of ot miracles was to produce faith In those who wit witnessed witnessed t L flossed them That yo ye way may know that the Son of ut Man power on onearth onearth onI I earth to forgive sins sills Ho lb saith unto I the sick of ot the palsy arise take tako up ut I thy bed and walk Again If It ye e f believe not my m words worde believe me for tor forthe or t t thu the ury vry r warns 8 ealce ISO Ice Again John JohnI I tays Many other signs did Jesus JesusI which are not written In this thIu book but I these are aro written that ye e be believe 1 lieve Ilove Such quotations could be tc bei i J multiplied I It Is III 1 not true tru that Jesus throughout f Ills His ministry always attributed Ills I t miracles to the faith of the subjects i 1 It U Is i true that In most cases asea their faith was wall made to 10 play a part but there I i are ore numerous Instances Instance of where here there was wall an all absence of ot faith In the sub aub subject f leet jeet I 1 mention men lion the tho case cane of the I t son at itt Nato the tho man yuan at the pool po of ot ott t and nn the t o child chillI healed when Je Jo Jesus Jei Joua i sus BUB ua come came from the mount or of transfiguration J In this last lut case ense the best beet th the father tather could ray pay was sa If U thou const Jeus JI UI could work Mork miracles without the th i r faith falb of ot the subject but H te was her Iter j tu to appreciate the value a U of faith an nB well as AR to demonstrate the thi power of Gel Gol I hence when It WitS was va possible poS he Bought to have hare the tho faith of ot the subject co cooperate cooperate cooperate operate with Ith JIll His III power The editor of ot the News New has hall ha not I touched my m exegesis of ot 1 Cor 13 Sl S1 and until he does his hl affirmation that It ItIs t I i Is I directly opposed to my m view of the tho I J question under discussion must h he tak taR taken tAken taRen en at nt Its Ite tell teal value The 11 Ih chapter follows tollow the That chapter Is de devoted deVoted voted ote to the depreciation of ot tongues 10 and the appreciation of ot o the better belter WilY shown holn In hi the nth chapter TaRn r 1 one verse I 1 thank God I J with II tongues more than ye all nil lion howbeit belt In Inthe Inthe M the Church I had rather speak peak five no noI I 4 words sorila with my m understanding that I 1 uI might Instruct others also than ten thousand words In a tongue Paulc Pauli p estimate of at the relative value alue of thi th Cl two Is as all a five fhe to ten thousand 1 The worlds lack of faith which Is le leJ J freely tr l admitted to be b great gr at does looe not jc call roll for mIracles cles but JUt n a 1 purer life lite and a n t deeper spirituality In jn the Church It ItIs J i Is in the lack Inck of purity peace and love In tn Inthe the tho Church that accounts for tor the th pre prevalence p Pt valence of or unbelief f and not be 1 there are ate no miracles I performed A AChurch Church may mn have hn po r to 10 speak with Ith I tongues of ot men nien and aMel I yet t It If It ItI I have hae not purity reverence roren rIghteous 1 ness lien and the other grace gnu that adorn adom the Christian character till nil HB Ita clone SIOM are 0 ns net sounding braas and ent elan 1 1 Ing In cymbals It Is h to noo III ne C that a n realization of the truth of or thIs T seems to be he taking hold of or OK lh Ih minds of F J 4 melt generally and we e 8 are arc the themore themore I more flagrant form tOnn of mn tn In rebuked tn ml 1111 I Ian r t an Rn appeal male made for tor more mort liv living 11 livins ins ing Let J t the tho good cod work go 0 on It Is II J i Gods way WI With these the e words of ot mr t part rt In this discussion will cl elM elMI w wW I W v H U I Wo c give to the tho foregoing letter leiter lettero so o that the tho writer may not have cause I to complain that he be had not the privilege t liege of ot being belaR heard hran on his side of ot the question which has bill Hn d dby by the Ministerial Association arni to tofeme some feme extent In tn those theose columns The opening opining sentence In Her He W H II III I I remarks remark Is III an old olti and thread threadbare JI bare gag gug common rommon once onea In debates debat and ADd no strength to Ms ilia I Ir argument ment but simply draws attention t I his own turning and anil twisting twill ling ct Allans and assumptions Our read t en en n know kno that we 1 have ha met the gentle g mans nUin au assertions squarely and ini avoided 4 b no point that he has haa presented p which i I WM pertinent to the th issue There wee was no occasion for tor the state I t merit ment that he be did not nol use the tho terms Kindergarten Ant and gratuitous nip flip t c No ono one hint him ot of dome doing ta so DUthie called the manifestations orth dj power end and presence ot of God Od In tn the days day of ot the ancient a prophets and ci ot of I ill illi 1 i i if I rl f I I K r Christ C rat and Hla Ula Apostles to provo prove which ho declared those thole healings h and miracles were performed tho t o Kindergarten methods of ot the tho past lIe He further saRi said Paul Is forced to make n II statement that Is altogether gratuitous We pointed out these statements and nn asked a kea what he had tu to offer to the world In Inon inan any on an way superior or more perfect than tho the methods methot end and teachings of ot Christ and of at Paul He lie makes no reply but says he ho did Id not use the terms flip dip flippantly Is III that a sample of ot twist twisting log Ins or ur of ot turning turnings Hero Is the case calle In brief nov A Q O Andrews took the ground that Divine could be bu had hat now no as OS In tn times of oC old oW through faith and antl prayer to God The Tue News endot that post position lion Hon Hev W V H U denied this thie end and argued that heavenly gifts were done away citing In support of or Ms his contention tho the words Yo ls of or Paul In tn Inthis inthis j this vay IY Paul tells teli us that the super supernatural supernatural natural which characterized the Infancy of ot the tho Church would cease und and pointed 1 out OUI definitely ly tIle the time when shen they would cense cease Whether there be lie prophecies they the shall hall to be away whether there theta be ho tongues t they thoy shall cease coast whether there bo Le knowledge su Sll supernatural It II shall be t done away awny I ICor ICoy Coy Cor 13 8 Now flaw If It tells tell us tie plainly and points p out definitely the time when they hey the would cease ccase what language does he use so 80 plainly and aM definitely is s to that timO Wo WI quoted tho the words of at tho the Apostle which Mr left out Hero Here they the arc Aro For we e know II I In p rt and we prophesy In tn part port Hut nut when wilen that which Is s perfect Is come then that which Is III In part shall be done awe Does It not nol follow toll ow that these th 80 gUts gifts IUs which Paul God ODd placed In the tho Church Vero were not intended to cease until that hut which Is perfect Is come And lId did not Paul Panl further that when perfection p should come como In his 1112 hI own cane ho would Know even niso as asie ashe he ie was known I Ia 11 It not clear cleor that tho knowledge In part and the prophesying In n part hart and the rest of ot the tru th men Inca mentioned wore vere to continue t until we wo shall shull no longer see through a u darkly but face to o faco And Is t It II not like twisting nad turning to try to mlle make the tho contrary can Rut Hut Mr tr Bagby quotes Pants alleged depreciation of ot the tue gift sift of ot tongues to toalii aid alii him In evasion of or the question When did the come como to per por perfection lection or become tull Iro I II But flut that thaI does not help his bIB cause one onn whit whiR We are ore fully tull In accord with the tho Apos Apostle tie tle as us to tu the tile relative value of ot the tho Rifts gifts of ot the tio Gospel OO oJ hilt But because ono gift sift Is better than another does do that prove provo that they the are arc nil all or any ot of them dono done away a After Arter all nil that lint Paul said a na as to hIs Ills preference he closes the thu chapter a 1 portion of f which Mr Bagby so evas evasively evasIvelY ively cites cUes with those tha e words word Wherefore brethren covet to prophesy eel esy es und and torRid forbid not to speak I with tongues Let Iet all nit things thinKS be he donG done decent decently ly and In order orr There again Is where the Apostle Paul Faul Pauland Pauland Fauland and Mr tr Bagby directly disagree Paul PaUi advises the tha brethren to covet coot to prophesy cay esy es and forbid not to speak with tongues tongue Ills His opponent treats such gifts SIUs as nil kindergarten methods and says they tile passed away With aith the In Infancy infancy fancy tancy of the tho Church Paul says those gifts of at the spirit were constituent parts of at the body and aM that one could couRi not say sayto to t U the other I 1 have havo no need of ot thee hut But Mr r Bagby rejects them all aU as liS no longer needed and jump Jumpa to tu tho the con conclusion conclusion elusIon that because one gift Is prefer preferable preferable able to another the lesser leaser 1st is J to be re rejected reo rejected as ns useless Now ow as 05 to Christs doctrine of at heal healing healIng healing ing by faith It Mr notion Is ts true that the purpose of ot signs and healings and miracles wits to produce faith In those who witnessed ed them how liow was It tt that the thc people who wit them were wore the tM very unbelievers whO rejected him and caused hint Him to tobe tob tobe be b crucified Why Is III It stated that In tn Ills HIs own country where Ho lie marvelled because of ot their He lIe could do there no mighty work Why Wh when He lie woe was asked What sIn sign shew show oat ost thou did Ho lie answer It ItIs Itla ItIs Is la an nn evil and aM ani an on adulterous gen generation that after a n sign 1 v bat bot did He Ife mean meon when He Ho told toil the centurion whose servant He lie healed As thou hast believed so 80 be It II dono done unto thee th Why did Ho charge peo pro people pie whom Ho lie healed S Sell a thou tell toil no man What did He lie mean menn by b asking n the tha blind men mell who came Imo to Him Be Ue lIeo ye that I nm am able to da I this They Mid unto lUm tUm Yea Lord Then touched He lie their eyes saying Accord AccordIng lug Ing to t your faith be It unto you ou Matth Ix What hat did lie Ho mean menn by tolling toIling Ills His disciples discIple And all s1 things whatsoever ha ye y e ask uk In prayer believing ye l shall receive Matth Healing the sick alck through the tho prayer of at faith was port part of ot the tho of ot Christs disciples just as ns much as os aspre preaching pre thing faith repentance and ond bap baptism baptism baptism When did Christ authorize any change When did the doctrine that all things are arc possible to him that be believeth become Iome untrue We VI said that Christ attributed the manifestations of ot the healing power to the faith of at those tho received Its lis benefits beri n There Is no none need ne l for tor us to repeat the many man In Instances instances stances In m which the Savior told those who Vh were healed Thy Th Tb faith hath bath made madet t ae whole h II Mr Me r says In most cases lloil r their faith was made to J Nay a Q part Jesus did dRI not say lIay ay tit lit any time Ume It was Willi merely n fI part partis It Ji Is la true however that thal sometimes raUh was waR exercised by br others otherl ID In be ba belac lac of ot the sick and ond they thc were We w have repeatedly shown In these columns that though thin was the case caseIn CASeIn casein In some instances the healing or mira miracle sic cle was M aa the effect of or faith ralth whether In the person perron benefited or him Mm or they who administered to him or others who eX th the necessary faith to bring the result That Is 11 the gist of ot the whole question coupled with the truth that faith U Is I an nn abiding principle ant and re remains remaIns mains the same ame forever It Is II i A fI cause caute c ute that will 1111 always produce Its conic conse consequent quent que t effects Paul laul invoked an nn anathema on any ona ens who would preach any an other gos gee that which he 1 S L An alleged go gospel i J l that excludes healing hu by L faith and the other gifts cUts of ot the Spirit which Paul taught the tho Saints to oot et earnestly Is j another an different Gospel el to that which Paul lout proclaimed nna una nil which Christ sent lent His Ills Apostles A t II to every creature r I Th Tho rho notion that the cultivation and enjoyment of ot those heavenly gospel gifts gUt precludes the deeper lt per spirituality Y purity peace penco and love which Mr Ir flag Bag Bagby by b refers to is I his own not Pauls nor ours oure Joy jo peace pence patience long longsuffering longsuffering suffering etc are aro fruits of ot tho the Spirit and an so ao are aru prophecy cy knowledge heal healings Rigs ings faith tongues discernment mir miracles acles acie and other outward manifestations and am they thc are all nil by b the same Spirit antI and Integral parts p of at the tite one body none bEIng ablo blo to do without tho the other Bo SO Paul taught In 1 I Cor all xU allAs As 8 Mr Bagby teaches to the direct contrary of ot this doctrine ho he preaches another seeing that ho hel has hns closed clo ed thu discussion on an his part he ho can cnn settle the tho matter with the tho Apostle Paul the tho New Testament and the Lord Jesus Christ whose kindergarten methods met he thinks to so Inferior Interior to the tho vagaries and human training learning of at mod modern mo modem ern em discordant dl Christendom |
