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Show FIRST HEARING i IN I. G. G. PROBE OPEHSSEPT. 15 ! i Utah Shippers Send W. & McCarthy to Protect Their Interests Under Fourth Section Ths first hearing on th Inter, tat oommsrc cosimiaalon'a fourth section Inveetlgstton . aesnrdanc with th resolution of Senator Gooding, of Idaho, adopted at th aat day of tha laat malm af congress, con-gress, will brain at Portland, Or., September II. W. S. McCarthy, president pres-ident of tha Intermediate Rata aa-aoclatlon, aa-aoclatlon, aaid today an hla depar-tur depar-tur for tha Pacific coast to- defend I tha Iniermouatala ahlppara In thai yrucewaings. "Utah and ether Intarmountala ststes are vitally affected by the pending Investigation In which carriers car-riers are eeeklng to secure relief from the fourth section of the transportation trans-portation act." Mr. McCarthy said. "Carriers have already filed application appli-cation with tha Interstate commerce commlaalon for relief and asked for lower rates to th Esst from the Pa-oirio Pa-oirio cboaet than from ths Inter-mountain Inter-mountain states on many commodities. commodi-ties. Only recently the Western Tariff association was formed to combat any disadvantage that ths Western states might raservs under tha coming Investigation." MAY SUMMON ROADS. Th hearing on th Pacific coast on ths fourth section Investigation will be held before Commissioner Campbell and Examiner Bardwell. and It la etated In a recant Issue of the Traffic World that If railroads did not show ths proper amount of Interest, the commission could then order them to sppaar to lustifv fourth section situation ao as to glv th Be nets a picture of the matter mat-ter In great detail. It also ssld thst ths Chicago hearing would be set after It waa apparent what the oommlaelon would hava to do In the matter of requiring the railroads te produce the data necessary to make such a plcturs. The Uoodlng resolution aim to present th complete picture of the fourth section Investigation. Mr. McCarthy explained. It asks tha commlaalon to decide th number of applications In special cases for relief from the operation of such section, filed with ths commission, snd granted by th eornmlastoa after investigation Including hearing, da-1 nied by tha commlaalon, or denied by the commlaalon after Investigation Investiga-tion including hearing for each of tha following periods: Tha period between tha amendment of the Interstate In-terstate com marc act on Jun tt, lo. and Us amandmsnt on Jun 3 s, ltlO. the period between June II, lilt, and th enactment of the transportation act, of Ilia, and th period lnc th transportation act. Tha resolution, according to Mr. MoCarthy. la to be takes as th first stsp by tb Idaho senator to- ward a minute Inquiry by him with a view to future set ion looking to changes in the fourth section, then1 U would force Its administration more In accordance with the views i supposed to be generally held by tha interroountaln shippers. SHIVERS WILL HEL. "If and , when Senator Gooding follows up his Inquiry." he said, "Into the administration of the fourth section, it Is believed he will receive the help of shippers who do not agree with him as to how ths long and short haul rule of that section sec-tion should be Interpreted, but who. on account of the commission's de-aleion de-aleion a. hava been deprived of money they have regarded as hav- Ins; been exacted practically as oveirbarges-' Mr. MoCarthy explained that la the older Una of devlatons the commission com-mission was inclined to take the view thst. Inasmuch aa the carrier had unlawfully exatSed money from tha shippers, the least that could be ex pace ad of It would be a return of ths excess chargee to that shipper, ship-per, and a tetter of thanks from the carrier to the com I sal on because It had not Insisted on its being Med or having done what It did. But nder the new line of d eel si ona that now la being published, the carrier is permitted to retain tha money It haa obtained. The moat tha commission com-mission does against a carrier of that kind Is to say It expects the fourth section departures to be eliminated, promptly. It la aald. ' In explaining the purpose of his trip to the bearings, Mr. McCarthy aald that the entire Weet em rate fabric would be Investigated at the meetlnge, especially those regarding that friii t-t h bmIIda relief in which railroads waat to ship from ths Pa-etflo Pa-etflo coast te th Eaat at a cheeper pate thsn from Intarmountala pointe j to th Eaat so aa to meet water competition com-petition via th Panama canal |