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Show UTAH OIL FIRM TELLS OF HEED TO BUILD LlitE Gives Views at Hearing on Using Public Domain WASHINGTON, Nov. 20 (AP) Attorneys for the Utah Oil Refining company told Secretary Sec-retary Ickes today that it had to build a new pipeline for transportation of crude oil from the Lance creek fields in Wyoming Wyo-ming to Salt Lake City or "go out of business." The Interior department contends that the 438-mile pipeline from Fort Laramie, Wyo., to Salt Lake City was built on the public domain for a disUnce of more than 140 miles without permission from the department. SecreUry Ickes called on the company to Justify the action. ac-tion. Clay Tallman. Tulsa, Okla., who presented the company's argument at a hearing conducted by Ickes, said that proper application for the line had been made but that specific spe-cific authority to build the line across the public domain had not been received. He contended, however, that the interior . department, .and public lands office had given 1U approval Ucitly Inasmuch as letters had been written outlining the" proposed pro-posed construction. Department Notified Tallman said the company had notified the department that a contract con-tract to buy crude oil from the Lance Creek field, dated July 1, contemplated construction of the pipeline and argued that everything every-thing done was with the department's depart-ment's sanction. Ickes replied that the department ad no knowledge that the pipeline pipe-line would go on public lands. Tallman Tall-man said that anyone with a knowledge of Wyoming and Utah would know that the line must necessarily cross the public domain. When Tallman remarked that the company "either had to build the pipeline or go out of business, Ickes replied, "I don't know of any obligation of the United States to keep you in business." Among others at the hearing were Senator King D, UUh), William R. Wallace, vice president, and Burton W. Musser, general counsel for the company, both of Salt Lake City. The Wasatch Oil Refining company of Salt Lake City and the SUnolInd Pipeline company also were represented. N Deliberate Violation Ickes said at the conclusion of the hearing: "I don't think there has been a deliberate Intention to violate the law or the regulations of the department. de-partment. I think there was a high degree of carelessness. I do not believe be-lieve there was anything in the company's letters that would serve as a notice of when or where the line would be built. "We want, of course, to encourage encour-age business, but we like to proceed pro-ceed In an orderly fashion. "We don't want to create an Impression Im-pression that anyone can go ahead on public domain using It for his own purposes." Ickes said ha wished to study the record made today for a day or two before announcing his decision. Muaser, Wallace, and Senator King spoke briefly. The senator expressed belief that the Interior department and the company could reach an agreement to their mutual satisfaction. E. S. Holt, vice president In charge of manufacture of the UUh Oil Refining company, said Salt Lake City officials would not be able to comment on the pipeline bearing In Washington "until our represenUtlve Inform us of de-Ulla." de-Ulla." Meanwhile, crude oil. traveling at a rate of two mile every three hours, was moving Monday b the Granger. Wyo, Salt Lake City section sec-tion of the pipeline. Company officials reported the oil at 7 a. m. Monday had reached a point 49J miles out of Granger and had traveled 1TJ. miles in the preceding 24 hours. The entire line will be completed Wednesday night or Thursday morning when a valve Is insulled In the Salt Lake City section. The II Is expected to reach here about Saturday. r |