Show I MEN WHO WERE I BEHIl DUBOS Zane Goodwin Smith and I Thomas Send H Telegrams i FAULKNER BALKS THEM I I Tl t Sudden Conversion of Several f J Gentlemen t Duljols ThInk the Time Hal Gone by When tie Commission Is a Ke censity In Utah and Poses ni n Inn Who Wants to Wine Out the BlttcriicKK of the Past A ITuiuor L ous Pnge in the Congressional llccorfl r I is well known that Uncle Sam has been paying our election expenses for a wt thirteen year employing then r the-n commission to conduct the work T1 d cot of about 40000 for the entire en-tire outlay per annum Repeated efforts ef-forts have been made t get rid of this commission at different times but the latest was attempted on the 2Sth ult when the appropriation bill was pending pend-ing in the Senate Our dispatches from Washington simply announced that Dubois had endeavored en-deavored to knock out the appropriation tion on this subject for the current year and had ben sidetracked by a pat of order The arrival of the Congressional Record of Feb 28 1895 spills the milk in the cocoanut and a i rruis out the names of C Si Zane C i C Goodwin John Henry Smith and ALi A-Li Thomas are exposed to view and the stonij5 easily read Thedebate a reported in the Record is as follows Mr Cockrell now ask the Senate 1 to return to the clause beginning inline I in-line 16 on page 65 in relation to the j Utah commissioners to which the senator front Idaho Olr Dubois desired de-sired to offer an amendment Mr Dubois On page 05 d move to I strike out all after line 15 down to and incjudirg line 7 on page < 56 and to insert what I send to the desk The VicePresident amendment will he stated The Secretary It is proposed to strike out the clause from line do on page 65 to line 7 on page SD inclusive a follows For the salaries of the fiVe commit sioners appointed under an act entitled An act to amend section 5352 oC the Revised Re-vised StatuteJ of the Unted States in 1elerence to bigamy and for other purposes pur-poses approved March 2 1S at the rate of 0 per annum 3000 Provided That commissioners hereafter appointed shall be residents of the territory of UtahFor For the folloTving expenses of the commission com-mission namely For traveling expenses printing stationery clerk hire and office rent 83500 Provided That out of this sum the commission is hereby authorized to pay the secretary of the territory rho Js its secretary and distributing agent a reasonable sum for such service not exceeding at the rate of J300 per annum for the fiscal year 1896 And insert lat the duties now performed the election board created by the ninth section of the act of Congress entitled 3 An act to amend section 52T2 of the KevSged Statutes of the United Stales re laaVJ to l > i amy and polygamy and for otlft Durpose approved March 2 1SS2 ehaHK Hereafter be performed under the provisions of sections 238 to 2 inclusn of the compiled laws oC Utah 1SS and r > rTier > datory and supplementary thereto Irrovldea The qualifications of voters and cffleeholders shall remain aa now or as moy be prescribed hereafter by the laws of Congress Mr Fualkner Qlr President I raise the point of order on the amendment of the senator from Idaho that it changes existing law that it has been reported by no committee and that its it-s general legislation 3Ar Dubois I should like to be per tcd t make a brief statement be 7w > s the senator raises the point of oraer I wish the senator would withdraw with-draw his point of order for a moment ilr Faulkner Of course if the senator sen-ator desires to make an explanation 1 withdraw the point of order until he can do so The VivePre > ldent The point of order is withdrawn and the chair recognizes re-cognizes the senator fvom Idaho Mr Dubois Mr President I trust the point of order wm l not be raised on the amendment The time has gone by when it is necessary for the government govern-ment to provide any money to carry on the elections in Utah or to send officers there tcv superintend cud supervise elections We have recognized the fact that the object for which the law creating the commission iras enacted has paused away Utah i net what it was when this legLplatlon was enacted polygamy hs tnei abandoned and year ye-ar all so well atl < fied that those citizens citi-zens are as good as any others in this country that we have passed a bill ad mllng Utah to statehood I am glad tE that I stood fait and firm at all tQi 5 after conditions changed in 1 fcr the admtesflm of that terri torr Let us wipe out these reminders of the bitterness and strife of the past The laws of Utah in the sections Te sectons which are mentioned in the nmend mont are sufficient to safeguard the elections there and i is not fair that n board created under different circumstances cir-cumstances should now as that territory terri-tory is coming Into the Union supervise super-vise Its first election I have a lfegram here from leading citizens of that state men who have been bitterly opposed to the Mormon n spIt for years and from IMormons lYludng ludyre C S Zane Judge C ng in John Henry Smith and G4ernor Thomas saying that ths mmissin should be abolished I Is i a thorn In their sides now nobody a wants Jt there is s no necessity for it and that territory can come into the Union under its own laws 1n10n not think under the circumstances circum-stances after this Congress has passed a bill for the admission of Utah that a a point of order should be raised which yHU fasten and keep it under this commission com-mission I ought not to say more Ur President Presi-dent for time is precious and we should avoid an extra fsesslon if possible pos-sible The people of our section who are honest and manly know that the eople of Utah will be a credit to the kixiion desire the abolishment jnion and they abolshment Lf this commission In order that those lIon manage their own political I vs and elections r FaulknerTHr President in reply fFai i to the senator from Idaho I am delighted de-lighted to say to the Senate and I think it will be In ac sordance with their views that the commission now in power there is composed entirely of residents of the territory of Utah I have been I very anxious of course to see Utah made a state and I um proud to say that under my chairmanship of the Committee on Territories that territory tory has been authorized to hold an election for that purpose which will ultimately within a few months I bring It into the sisterhood of states The amendment of the senator from Idaho is such an amendment that it is Impossible for anyone to tell what will be its effect I has not been examined exam-ined by any committee The amendment amend-ment provides that the election in Utah shall be held under laws which I doubt whether any senator on this I floor knows are today In existence or whether they ale repealed or whether they are such laws as he would approve I ap-prove of That shows the necessity of the rule of the Senate that unless an amendment which changes existing law is examined by a standing committee com-mittee of the body it shall not be In order although I may not be general legislation I therefore make the point of order on the amendment I Mr White Mr President I desire i to have stated to the Senate the amendment proposed by the senator I from Idaho I have not heard the amendment I The VicePresident The amendment will be stated The secretary read the amendment proposed by Mr Dubois Mr White Mr President I havft not Investigated the statutes referred to in the amendment offered by the senator from Idaho I will state that I have been In favor ever since I have reached this body of the admission of Utah to statehood I will also state that I have never had the slightest sympathy with those parties who hae in the Congress of the United States attempted to prevent the admission of that territory to statehood upon the heory that its morals wera not as good as those of the gentlemen objectIng object-Ing I have thought that that question ques-tion Is one which the parties demurring raise demur-ring could not afford judiciously to In so far as this particular amendment amend-ment is concerned I do not know that it has any material application to the question of statehood I think I the commissioners referred to in the bill perform their duties as the law intends they shall perform them that probably prob-ably It will rather facilitate than interfere In-terfere with the admission of Utah to statehood IQO not understand further than from the remarks of the senator from Idaho and as I have antecedent t familiarity with the amendment he proposes that there is any difficulty in carrying out the full provisions of tIle bill regarding admission even i these commissioners are permitted to pursue their course until thc state assumes as-sumes its full sovereignty and I believe be-lieve that in this Congress TJtnh for the first time has had an opportunity to assume statehood I might remark that I am in favor of statehood for all of our territories I think the time I has cone when we should have nothing j noth-ing but states within the United States I M DuboiE Mr President I desire I onjy to add to what I have already said that the sections mentioned in j the amendment are the election laws of Utah which ae a entirely adequate and are satisfactory to the people there There is no need for the board of commissioners which is now In existence ex-istence i Isan Interference and i does harm Mr White TVill the senator permit me to ask him a question Mr Dubois Certainly air White As we are passing from the condition of things which I equally with the senator believe that we should depart from is I not better to let the other side down moderately than to do anything that may result in a severe se-vere fall Had we not better let Utah join the Union and if commissions heretofore appointed are unwisely created I cre-ated let us pay those who have performed per-formed the labor allotted to them by Congress the just measure of their exertions ex-ertions but I deem It undesirable to ertons interfere with those against whom no local protestation has been made Mr Dubois Utah will be admitted these commissioners no matter whether ers are there or whether the people of that territory are left to themselves I No man in Utah want this commission i com-mission now and when we propose to retain It we are not legislating in the I interests of the people of Utah The time has passed for it It stands now as a reminder of bitter contests of the past which we who took part in them have buried We are looking to the present and future and not to the past My amendment can be ruled out on a point of order I am aware of that I beg again that the Senate will bej allowed to vote on my amendment I know it will carry Senators here will recall the strong position which I took in former years In favor o stringent laws for Utah I was right then and j j I am equally right now in insisting that conditions have changed completely I com-pletely and that the people of Utah shall be allowed to manage their own I elections the same as the people of other states are Mr FaulknerI desire to say In reply re-ply to the senator from Idaho that I have never heard any complaint during dur-ing the last twelve months In reference i to this commission and certainly no I request has come to the Committee on Territories in reference to this subject and the provisions of the enabling act are made in reference to the action of this commission which ought not now i be changed without consideration i f insist that under tat point of order or-der this subject Is not debatable i Mr Manderson the senator is de t bating it to some extent notwithstand Ij batng j Ing the rule I should like to ask him a I I question He claims to a certain extent ex-tent the paternity of the < tate of Utah 1 should like to ask him when that i state will probably be born into the Union2 Mr Faulkner think I will be born I I into the Union somewhere from about the 20th to the 30th of next November o I The vote on the ratification of the constitution con-stitution framed by the convention i whIch meets in March is to be taken under the enabling act on the second Tuesday of November and If that vcte i Is in favor of adoption of the conhtltu I ton and it i republican in form and I so certified to the president within i twenty or thirty flays thereafter he i i will issue his proclamation for the < mission of the state an 1 the legisla 1 ture will be elected at the same time Mr < Manderson Then Itah will cease to be n territory during the present 1 pres-ent fiscal year and the sooner It he comes a state the bet 1 I think we shall all be please i < m both sides of I the chamber for I do not think the other side can claim the miuojioly of a desire to make territories Into states I The record on tnis side of the chamber t cham-ber is prety lear in that regard as these full eats evidence but It seems to me that if Utah is to cease to ben be-n territory and become a state probably prob-ably before the Slith day of November there fhould he a limit to the llffe of the commission Continued on Page 3 o > MEN WHO WERE BEHIND DUBOIS i Continued from Page 1 Mr CocVrell Tc is limited in every word Is only at a certain rate Whenever the stata comou in the com misison goes out of existence Mr Gulloni The cV it ife = u > i ceases Mr Mandersan fear that Is not fully guarded > y the proihon V Mr GockrMl Evens line C3nt un 5 the words at any rate I is not like the others V Mr Mandarqon If that is well understood un-derstood I have no objection but I hope it has boon very fnlly guarded The VicePresident chair sustains sus-tains the point of order |