| Show ONE OF HIS LAWYERS OBTAINED DATA IN philadelphia prosecution to giove piove that thaw was actuated by hatred and jealousy new york july 10 while harry K thaws counsel are collecting evidence with a view to proving that ie was insane at the time he killed stanford white assistant district attorney francis P garvan continues to seek witnesses who are reported to have heard thaw threaten the man who is supposed to havo been his rival in the affections of evelyn nesbit before she became mrs thaw the theory of the prosecution is that thaw had motive for the shooting except hatred and jealousy dating from the time evelyn nesbit consult ed lawyers and made a sworn statement reflecting upon the man bho soon afterward married although the defense has adopted a policy of silence terrence J mcmanus one of thaws lawyers said yesterday it any document purporting to be an affidavit made by mrs thaw was introduced it would be proved a forgery then you expect to bring handwriting experts into the case was suggested none will be necessary returned mr mcmanus wo can show that mrs thaw never signed any paper and whatever may have been prepared she was not cognizant of its contents and she did not subscribe to it amr refused to discuss the number of alienists who will be called into the case to assist mr alien mclane hamilton who has had several long conferences with the prisoner dr carlos macdonald one of the experts for the prosecution had a talk with mr garvan yesterday mr mcdonald and other alienists tried to examine thaw on the day after he was indicted and he then refused positively to answer any questions put to him despite the advice of william M K olcott who was pres entin ent in his interests mr olcott was riot in his office yes berdas ter daS and it was said he was not ex the chy he 1 went tp philadelphia on saturday and it was reported to obtain information about miss harriett thaw a cousin of the prisoner who has been confined in tho friends asylum for the insane in frankfort forthe last two years an effortful e in ade it Is believed 10 lo how that thaw suffers from a hereditary taint and officials 0 the friends asylum may be called as witnesses in his behalf r Ol cotts associates denied knowledge of his whereabouts but said he expected to visit several places in search of witnesses the presence of mrs william hoi man mother of mrs harry K thaw is said to be much desired at the district attorneys office according to the report the attorneys who are at work on the prosecutions case would like to question mrs holman particularly with regard to one of the trips to europe made by thaw and evelyn nesbit according to one story while thaw and the girl were in london an appeal was made to the american embassy to break up the relations between thaw and evelyn nesbit and have the girl sent home this appeal it Is said was made by stanford white who acted on tho request of mrs holman it was at this time the story goes that mrs holman was much prejudiced against thaw it was said today that if mrs holman should come within the territory covered b a subpoena from tho district attorney she should be at once summoned to hla office james L laderer Lc derer of philadelphia who was manager of the mhd rose company when mrs thaw was a member of the chorus was examined by assistant district attorney garvan today lederer is said to have told mr garvan that he had long believed thaw to be insane this opinion he said was based upon his observations of thaw during the time the wild rose company was playing in this in this connection be mentioned several incident in which thaw yas the central figure 11 ll was common talk among all the people who knew thaw said loderer that thaw was a dope fiend I 1 recall one night when thaw was about rosend two of his chorus girl acquaintances homo in a hansom cab he was there with a friend of his named mackay suddenly thaw insisted in trying to jump over the roof of the hansom of course ho could not actually jump over the roof of the cab but he tried and succeeded aln crawling up one side of the cab over the root and down the gidej mackay remonstrated with him but it was no gusej then mackay apparently disgusted turned aside and said you cant do anything a crazy man hes drug crazy edna mcclura Mc Cluro tho show girl who appeared before t district attorney garvan last saturday for examination concerning alie thaw white tragedy said today that sho did not toll mr garbah of any threats made by thaw against white she never heard auch threats she said she told mr geryan Gi ryan of many reports concerning thaw mrs thaw and white which bad reached her ears but that of their truth or falsity she had no knowledge an important conference from the view point of the defense was held in i the tombs today those present in addition to thaw were his wife and former judge olcott the loading attorney for the defense it Is reported that aft a result of tho conference thaw will withdraw opposition to entering a plea of emotional insanity when the caad comee to trial judge olcott has juet returned from a trip to philadelphia in connection with the caco and as be wa leaving the tomba ho was asked regarding hs visit to pennsylvania 1 I secured what I 1 went after said he 1 I can say that my trip to philadelphia waa wholly successful I 1 told harry thaw what I 1 had learned and hd was very happy over it so was mrs mrs thaw remained with her husband about an hour and a half after she had left tha prison thaw was visited by an alienist recently retained by th defense this was dr charles L dana mr dana brought a letter from dr allan mclane hamilton chief of the corps of alienists in tho service of thaws lawyers la and after thaw had read the letter he submitted to an examination may mackenzie tin actress friend of mrs thaw was among the witnesses examined at the district attorneys tor office today she was accompanied by mary leahy mrs thaws maid both women were request to return to ehg office for further examination next week |