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Show ROOSEVELT TELLS POLITICAL STORY Four Chapters of Albany Politics Poli-tics and Details of Election of Party Leader Related. BARNES-HUGHES FIGHT Brings Out Points Justifying Publication of Statement, Now Alleged to Be Libellous. Syracuse, NT Y.. April 21. Four chapters of Albany polities wore related re-lated by Theodore Roosevelt on the witness stand today. The former president gave wrhat he claimed to be details of the election by "Barnes' Republicans," assisted by "Murphy Demoerats" of an official leader of tbe Republican party In New York; the cause of the hostilities between William Barnes and Governor Hughes, the defeat of the Hart-Agnew racing bill by the Republican organization, and the fight he said the combined Democratic and Republican machines, the latter led by Mr Barnes, made against direct primaries legislation He also identified a letter written by Mr Barnes in which he told him "the idea of getting rid of bosses Is absurd so long as you have party government " Colonel Roosevelt was to continue this afternoon the story by which he hopes to prove that he was justified in causing the publication of tbe statement state-ment upon which Mr Barnes is suing hiin for libel Colonel Roosevelt concluded bis direct di-rect testimony today after stating that the sole purpose of his attack on Mr. Ilarne.s and Mr. Murphy was to try to i correct abuses in the state govern-j govern-j ment. He swore that he did not mean to make any charge of corruption against the plaintiff. Before Colonel Roosevelt took the stand, counsel representing both sides and the court discussed In chambers legal questions In regard to what , should be admitted in evidence. Barnes Methods Barred Out. t the end of the conference it was ' announced that the court had decided not to admit the evidence regarding certain things not specified in the pleadings. This barred the admission of a great mass of evidence dealing with politics, political methods and Mr Barnes' alleged conversations with Colonel Roosevelt on the ethics of bosslsm. Thomas F. Smith, secretary of Tammany Tam-many Hall for the last twenty years arrived at the court house today In answer to a snbpoenae served upon hlra by a representative of Colonel Roosevelt's counsel. The subpoenae alls for Mr. Smith's attendance on three days. This was taken as an indication in-dication that his examination would be very thorough. When the examination of Mr. Roose-elt Roose-elt was resumed Mr Bowers resumed his direct questioning In answer to a question, he said: "I had conversations with Mr. Barnes regarding the gubernatorial election In 1908. These took place in Washington and possibly in Oyster Bay, too." Colonel Roosevelt was shown two letters, the contents of which he said he had discussed with Mr. Barnes i "Now what were the conversations?" I asked Mr. Bowers. Barnes' Counsel Objects. Mr. Ivins, counsel for Mr. Barnes, objected to this but was overruled and the witness continued: 'The conversations were in regard to Mr. Barnes' domination of the party par-ty Now judge, they were continued conversations I talked over a letter written in 1900 to Senator Piatt I particularly referred lo the doraina-! doraina-! tion of the party by Senator Piatt and Mi. Barnes. I discussed the righteus-nes6 righteus-nes6 of boss rule (laughter by the spectators! "I told Mr. Barnes that prior to my becoming governor. Mr. Piatt had asked me to come see him In New York. It was between the time 1 was selected and the time I assumed office of-fice '1 told Mr. Barnes that several persons per-sons at the conference were taking up the question of -" Ivlns Again Objects. Mr. Ivlns interrupted with an objection, ob-jection, which was overruled. Colouel Roosevelt continued: I told Mr Barnes that I told Mr. Piatt rather I expressed surprise that committees were being appointed appoint-ed when tbe speaker of the assembly had not been chosen I also told Mr Barnes that Mr Piatt told me no speaker would be chosen until a man who was satisfactory to the organise-1 tion was found Mr. Barnes replied j that Mr. Piatt was right, even after 1 said such government was bouud to lead to rottenness I told Mr. Barnes Senator Piatt had told me he had decided upon a superintendent of public works who was satisfactory and that Senator Piatt had been congratulated upon getting such a good man " Mr Ivlns objected because no name wat being given for the superintendent superintend-ent of public works. 'Well." said the colonel, "the man was Francis Hendricks of Syracuse. 1 told Mr Barnes I did not. Intend any man should say whom I Bhould appoint ap-point " As the colonel said this his Jaw squared and he pounded upon the judge's bench. Hp continued. "Mr Barnes said in reply that Senator Sen-ator Piatt was right and that the leader of an organization must hare complete control of it. Organiration Must Rule It was In 1908 that T told Mr Barnes Bar-nes my views of the matters were the same as the always were I toH Mr. Barnes he had my jiympathy but that Governor Hughes must be intJo- pendent. I referred to my talks and letters to Senator Piatt Mr. Barnes Bald the organization had to be domi- I nant and that Governor Hughes had tried to break down the organization and that he would oppose Governor Hughes' renominatlon." Upon the motion of Mr. Ivins that part of Colonel Roosevelt's testimony referring to Mr. Hughes wae stricken from the record. "In 1908 did you discuss legislation at Albany with Mr. Barnes?" asked J Mr. Bowers. "Yes." replied the witness. "Mr. Barnes spoke with me generally on the subject of legislation. He said Governor Hughes was favoring legis- . lation against the interests of the organization or-ganization and that the Democratic organization was backing up the Republicans Re-publicans In defeating legislation fostered fos-tered by Governor Hughes. Mr Barnes said he and his friends had control of the party. He did not say he him-i self was personally in control. He did say that Mr. Hughes could not take the control away from those in whom it waB vested." Letter from Barnes, A letter from Mr. Barnes to Mr. Roosevelt was offered in evidence. It was dated from the Albany Journal office and in part read "Ever since he has been governor, Mr. Hughes has endeavored by his speeches and his attitude to arouso resentment in every locality against the men who have been doing the political po-litical work of the Republican party. Some of those men axe the best and most unselfish of men. Some of them are the meanest and most selfiah of men "It was a gage of battle thrown down which it was my duty to resist, because if I am to remain in the leadership lead-ership of this country, that leadership must be satisfactory to the Republican Republi-can people of the country I cannot be exploited as a machine made politician poli-tician or a patronage broker without resisting the charge to the best of my strength. "I never could subscribe to the doc trine advanced by the governor which was this: 'Disagreement with him meant that a man was a rascal' "What I am most deeply Interested in, in this subject of direct nominations nomina-tions which, if ever adopted by this state, will lead to untold evils in public pub-lic life and place therein the cheapest cheap-est kind of citizens." In the letter Mr. Barnes says: Opposes Direct Nominations. "The men with whom 1 have been co-operating v. ill never relinquish their fight against the principle of direct nominations," and declares that "the so-called sentiment for direct primaries Is purely pro-Hughes' sentiment sen-timent and has nothing to do with the merits of the proposal." The letter continues: "Direct nominations are an Invitation Invita-tion to party discord, but their evil could be minimized by the holding of unofficial primaries and unofficial conventions con-ventions which will unquestionably be done "Tbe idea of getting rid of bosses Is absurd, so long as you have party government. "I sincerely hope and trust that you will not become committed iu such a way that it will force an issue at the Saratoga convention on this question. We should have a primary plank of the strongest kind to protect voters and give them every opportunity to express themselves iu conventions "When nominations are made they should be final. If the people do not like them they can beat them at the polls, but the members of a party shouid have a chance prior to the primaries and conventions to exercise their judgment and express their will." Roosevelt Tells of Conversations. Despite the early ruling of the court Justice Andrews allowed Colonel Roosevelt to tell of conversations w ith some senators. Hinman. Davenport. Newcomb and others about race track and other legislation. Some of them told him that Mr Barnes at first had no opposition to race track legislation but that later opposition developed "It was that at that time 1 learned Senator Grattan had expressed his opposition op-position of the legislation, but that he changed his mind after talking with Mr. Barnes. Mr. Grattan pleaded with Mr Barnes to allow him to vote as he wanted, but I was told he said Mr. Barnes ordered him to vote oppositely oppo-sitely and he was forced to do so. "Senator Grattan's one vote defeated defeat-ed the bill. Senator Grattan represented repre-sented Mr Barnes' district." Colonel Roosevelt told the story of his conversation with Senators Hin man and Davenport and continued in part : "I was told that on one occasion, when the question of direct primaries came up in the state benate. the Republican Re-publican leader asked for an adjournment adjourn-ment be asked the Republican senators sena-tors to go Into a nearby room for a conference. The Democratic leader then told the Democratic senators to meet in an adjoining room Senator Davenport said he looked In the room occupied by the Republicans and saw I Mr. Barnes there In conference with jthe senators, although he was not a member of the legislature. Later the Democrats and Republicans came on( and went Into the senate chamber Fourteen Democrats and fourteen Republicans Re-publicans voted for tbe measure and it went through. The measure bad been opposed by Governor Hughes." Were all the Republican senators in that room?" asked Mr Ivtns. "Oh, no," replied the witness "Mr Davenport only saw Barne' Republican Re-publican senators. as he termed them." "Did you talk to Senator Davenport about Senator Jotsam H. Allds?" "Yes." replied tbe witness Allds resigned from the senate after aft-er he had been charged with accepting accept-ing bribes. "Mr Newcomb or Mr. Da von port.' said Colonel Roosevelt, "told me that Senator Allds had been selected for president pro tempore of the senate by the machine Republicans There was opposition against Allds by the other Republicans so the machine Republicans Re-publicans were unablp to control a sufficient ot to elect Allds. Thn Ctontlnued on Page 7) I J 1 1 ROOSEVELT TELLS POLITICAL STORY (Continued from Page One) Senator Newcomb told me the machine ma-chine Democrats ro-operated with the machine Republicans in order to elect Allds " "And In the position Allds was elected elect-ed to by Tammany Democrats, he was the official leader of the Republican party in this state." Causes Roar of Laughter. While Colonel Roosevelt gave his testimony he slapped one hand upon the other every second or so and leaned far forward in his chair toward the jury' box. The spectators, jury and lawyers roared with laughter when Colonel RooaeYelt said Tammany Tamma-ny men had helped elect the official Republican leader. After order was restored a recess was taken. Colonel Roosevelt was ready to con tinue his testimony at the afternoon session of court |