Show reorganized absurdities A SHORT time ago we paid some attention to a telegraphic dispatch from Ogden which appeared in a number dumber of eastern papers to the effect that with the cessation here of polygamous mar ri agee there was nothing in the way of ithe the Josep osep bite hite branch of the mormon church joining with the utah mor imor montill mont that negotiations were being opened with joseph smith of lamont lamoni to make ogden the headquarters headquarter 11 C of the jose Joaeph itee and that there was a probability of the latter body obtaining much of the church property that had been confiscated we showed that the scheme was not likely to succeed for various reasons that is not a branch of this church that there are essential differences between the two bodies apart from the polygamy question oseph smith of lamont lamoni had no hereditary or I 1 patent right to the presidency of the church and that though ite organization had endeavored to obtain possession of some property to which it was not entitled we did not think it would be gratified in this instance the lamont lamoni herald the organ of the josephites Josephl tes 1 l publishes the dispatch some articles on the su subject abject from different papers and the remarks of the DESERET NEWS and defines the position of the josephites 11 in relation to these matters it claims that those with whom the reorganized church movement began were members of the church organized in 1830 that they refused to accept the rule and presidency of president brigham young and the doctrine and philosophy of the church as it existed under that presidency and that the only claim made by the josephites Josephl tes to any property of the church is on the plea that the tenets of th the utah division 1 were a departure from the faith and an apostasy and that the josephite Josephl te church is entitled to be recognized as the church not only in the spiritual sense but in the mat material exial sense and is thus entitled to the possession of whatever property the original church owned at the death ot joseph and hyrum smith or at the time when the departure by apo apostasy stasy took place the herald editor admits that the claim is now being urged by the c jose josephites bites to the possession of the he to temple m pre lot at independence 1 I also that in prosecuting their claim to be the church there will be no hest hesitancy un on their part in making the effort to obtain the possession of property held in early times by the genuine church but it is only fair to state that the editor declares he is not in any sense responsible for the movement in ogden and has had nothing whatever to do with it he also says we have made no claim upon the confiscated property properly of the church in utah we are not in sympathy with the manner of such sequestration and it was for that reason that we called the property so confiscated a white ele on the hands of the government when we get ready to assert claim to pr property 0 perty in utah ostensibly belonging to the utah church we shall serve notice in due form of law and try the issue be fore the proper tribunals in the means mean time we shall continue to urge our claim to recognition as the church in legal sue cession to the one organized april ath 1830 as against the so called church of christ at independence and others who make claim to such auch succession there is nothing dithing in the josephite Joseph iteli disclaimer that overturns j what the DESERET NEWS had to say on this subject unless it might be the intimation that the ogden movement perhaps originated at lamoni we take the editors editor Is word for that without dispute and as entitled to credence he knows and we do not As to the succession the facts are the church of jesus christ of latter jay saints organized on the ath of april 1830 has been continued and perpetuated as designed by its divine founder being organized and set up for the last days and for the last time it has never been disorganized the notion that the death of joseph and hyrum or the disorganization of one quorum the first presidency disorganized the church is one of the absurdities of 11 another is that a reorganized church can be the original church that a church that had been dead seventeen or eighteen years was the same church when a new organization was effected of a few of the old members of the defunct body the very title of the josephite body 1 reorganized is fatal to the logic of its claim that the council of the twelve apostles succeeded in natural order to the of the church on the death of the prophet joseph is as clear as words can make it and the fallacy of hereditary succession to presidency of any kind in the church of jesus christ of latter day saints la is so ao palpable that it requires no argument to people who have read the doctrine and covenants 3 and are imbued with the spirit of the gospel this church lays no claim to bisue succession it has changed its location several times since it was organized but has remained the same body it was so constituted when fully organ iced that the loss lose of any of its parts would not affect the integrity of the whole because its inherent vitality and reproductive force would replace the loss and the organism would move forward to accomplish the design of its creator excommunicated members form no part of the body they are cast of flike effete matter from all living organisms and though through the kind of life that develops in such masses they may reorganize in I 1 n forms similar or dissimilar to the body which expelled them they have no reasonable claim to be regarded as the original body or entitled to toils its rights privileges or acquire ments the reorganized society of wor shippers has its rights agi rel religious ivious denomination and is to be protected in them but neither in law nor in res rea son bon can it be regarded as the original church in face of the facts that it claims the original church died or was Aft organized which to is the same thing hid that the alleged disorganized church ach has never exhibited any signs arf dissolution but has lived on in ae ac MT performance of all its functions in stature in influence and ower for the benefit of mankind for the glory of god who organ iland it and has preserved it until tuia this |