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Show The DAily Utah MR ON CLE FRIDAY, APRIL 29, 1988 K KELLY? VOL. UMVf KMIY OF UIAH 97, NO. 1 Not quite but 'Rain' is good See page 7 J Attorney general nominee says no to hollow post 1 1 By Darren Tucker Chronicle campus editor The ASUU attorney general nominee withdrew his nomination during the ASUU Assembly meeting Wednesday. And although some in ASUU say Todd Gabler withdrew because of a bill that failed in the Assembly, Gabler said he withdrew because he felt the position had no power.. Gabler withdrew Wednesday before a bill to increase the powers of the attorney general was debated in the Assembly. He was nominated to the attorney general's position, but had not been approved by the Review and Appointments Committee. "I did resign before I went to the Assembly last night," Gabler said. "At about 7:30 p.m. I notified Lee Cano, and then I went over and talked about the bill (to the Assembly." Cano is an executive assistant to the ASUU President Mike Kaly. Kaly said he didn't know Gabler had withdrawn until Thursday afternoon and he wasn't sure why Gabler withdrew. The bill, which was defeated by consensus vote, stated, 'The attorney general will be empowered to enforce the ASUU Constitution and all of its. bylaws and policies and procedures. The attorney general will take all diligent legal action to ensure the enforcement of the Constitution, bylaws, policies and procedures. The attorney general will be empowered to require all ASUU officers and agents to comply with the ASUU Redbook." Gabler said he was in favor of the bill, but not because U.S. 'surprises' foreign students Diet, fast pace require adjusting to, some say Editor's Notes: This is the second of a series focusing on international students. - ..- - y far Jtaw. i- - . ) , . , , , U.S. Constitution secular, compared to state documents By Ellen Garff Chronicle staff writer University of Utah. S1 ' ' " ;' i Chronicle photo by Guy T E. Elder IV Yuanchin Cheng, University of Utah Chinese said (Taiwan) Student Association president, facilAmerican universities have better technological ities than Chinese institutions. Edwin Gaustad, a professor at the University of spoke to U. students and faculty at the annual Phi Beta Kappa lecture also sponsored by the departments of history and political science. "In the wake of the recent bicentennial celebration of the Constitution, the topic of church and state is particularly important to address," Gaustad said. He explained how religious laws were written into individual state constitutions even after the larger federal document was written in 1787. Although state documents contained specific religious clauses, the federal constitution contains what Gaustad calls "reli- California-Riversi- de, rhrnnirln nhnto bv Guv E. Elder IV Nicola Nannini, a U. student from Italy, said it is difficult to form lasting friendships in America because society is too they don't know, he said. "In Europe that doesn't happen much. It's nice to talk, but too often it stops there." Ken Palmman, from Sweden, said Americans tend to entertain themselves by doing things and not talking. "Here, people sit down to have dinner and the second they are done the leave the table. At home, we sit down to have dinner and in an hour and a half we are still sitting around the kitchen table talking," he said "That's where the best conversation takes place-- in the kitchen," he added. "I've been to very, very few American parties that I really enjoyed," he said. "At the typical American party they buy a kegbit-b-of beer or bring their own booze not about anything in parand they talk a little ut ticular." Even though Swedish families spend time together at meals like other Europeans, they do not have the fast-pace- d. traditional family structure he has seen in many I se A history professor explored the differences between the secular U. S. Constitution and various state constitutions that contain religious laws Thursday at the Many international students at the University of Utah say they have chosen to study away from Home to experience another culture. But one experience they seem to have in common is a conflict between their old institutions of family and friendship and the new ones they experience in the United States. Nicola Nannini, a bioengineering student from Italy, said Italy is a very family oriented socity with deep historical roots. "In Europe it's important to talk in terms of history," he said. But historical ties have advantages and disadvantages, he added. Nannini said he feels Americans are more inclined to make fast changes. But Europeans ponder and consider before making decisions. "I think the people are more aware of their responsibilities because of the background they carry on their shoulders," he said. Although Nannini said' he has developed many deep friendships here, the hurried pace makes it difficult to keep in touch and allow relationships to progress. "Everything is fast. There is not much time to spend on things. Relationships are very superficial. Just 'Hi, how are you?' and that's it," he said. But Americans are more willing to talk to people f pow-ers.The- two-pa- rt By Sharon Deckert Chronicle staff writer iii iff he was going to be attorney general. He said it was because he felt that is where the power of enforcement should be. "Giving it to the RAC is a terrible separation of people need to take American Government 110 over again. They need to learn the Legislature makes the laws, the Supreme Court interprets them and the executive (branch) enforces them," he said. Gabler said he withdrew before the bill was debated and voted down so people wouldn't think he was resigning because of it. He said one of the biggest reasons for his withdrawal was the position didn't offer anything to students. "The attorney general is supposed to consult with the president. But it's a hollow position. It's worthless. It's a see "Gabler" on page three European countries or in Utah, Palmman said. Because of the economic structure, many mothers work in Sweden, he said. So the workload at home is more equally distributed. Fabio Volpe, a management student from Italy, said the Italian lifestyle is more relaxed than the American lifestyle. "We don't rush around so much," he said. Instead of the hurried businessman's lunch, people go home to eat with their families. "We have a couple of hours for lunch," he said. Many times shop are closed while the owners go home to eat. This often makes shopping more difficult for those who work and Volpe said he enjoys the American ability to shop during the day. He said there are positive things to learn about every culture. And he enjoys the United States because there are so many cultures represented by the people who have come here. "The United States is a little world," he said. see "international" on page two gious silences." "The "religious silences" of the Constitution are the most impressive aspects of the document, Gaustad said. "But people are totally bewildered by these 'religious silences'," he said. Although state constitutions contained religious law, they were all different. Some allowed religious freedom among state leaders and others limited the liberties to those who recognized the God's existence, he added. Gaustad said many people left Europe to obtain religious freedom in America, but every state interpreted the connections between religion and state differently. "In 1783, many Jews fleeing the religious restraints of Europe were banned from synagogues in Philadelphia," he said. "But then state leaders realized that the Jews would move to other states and tried to accommodate them." He said the Massachusetts' Constitution required public officials to swear they believed in a Christian religion before being allowed into office. Tennessee's Constitution carries the same restriction. "Long after the federal constitution was ratified, Tennessee's document declared that no person who denies God should ever hold an office," Gaustad explained. "But does not this exclusion violate every fundamental principle of liberty?" he asked. "In the federal constitution, no benevolent creator or prayer for a divine creator is mentioned. There is no assumption between Christianity and common law," Gaustad said. Nevertheless, long after the ratification of the Constitution, the "religious silences" worried people. "Efforts were made so that the federal document read more like explicit state documents." "Several founding fathers said this separation from Christianity was the main defect of the Constitution and could lead the country to destruction," he said. "Some claimed civil government couldn't be supported without the assistance of religion." Gaustad said many people believed that religion was a necessary tool to creating a new nation, but it was left out of the Constitution it Org. U.S. Postage Paid Non-prof- Permit No. 1529 Salt Lake City, UT |