Show I I s e e d BOMB PLOTS PLOTS tf P Continued from page 1 lords to put it mildly had not madee made the differences less DOMINION RULE lie Ile outlined this minimum as first placing Ireland in precisely the same position with regard to foreign affairs as the great self governing dominions with the same right to b be consulted about commercial treaties and second second second sec sec- ond only on one army in these two is- is i j lands lie would not however contemplate con con- con 1 I i template template- the maintenance of any imperial im- im i j troops in Ireland after atter home I j rule had passed assed unless Ireland de desired desired dei de- i sir sired d itI it I T am perfectly certain and the history history history his his- I tory of or war shows it that unless there is only One navy nary and one naval au- au I neither Ireland nor Great I I Britain could be defended said Lord Grey That must be without quail quail- j n. n Whatever dominion home i irule rule might mean we must from the I beginning have no ambiguity on this j i question j With England and Ireland so close I together and under m modern dern conditions of mines and nd submarines he continued it was absolutely inconsistent with I the Ule safety of ot either country that there should be divided naval authority He admitted that after what had happened happened hap hap- I in Ireland in the past few tew weeks I he could hardly advocate as a predicable predicable I cable course as he did recently that Ireland should be left to say what form torm of ot government she desired But the time Ume might come when the government government government govern govern- ment would have to to consider that meth method d of ot proc procedure dure again COERCION SCORED He would have it clearly understood in Ireland that Great Britain could not go on indefinitely ly being maneuvered maneu into the position of ot either coercing nationalist nationalist na na- na- na I Ireland Treland or coercing Ulster and nd the greatest lever the government I could bring set set- to bear to secure a set settlement would be to make it perfectly st I clear that the ultimate responsibility for the government of Ireland rested with the Irish people and that the government government government gov gov- could not continue Indefinitely to govern any part of Ireland by force torce He desired to qualify his previous suggestion made mad before reprisals were heard of ot that the armed forces should be withdrawn from Ireland two years hence he would admit frankly that under the present state of things In Ireland he ho would never advocate that the armed forces should be kept there for Tor another two years or for any specified specified sped sped- fied fled time Expressing indignation at the murders murders murders mur mur- ders and anxiety for th the lack of discipline discipline pline of the the crown forces Viscount Grey declared that unless the gOVernment government government govern govern- ment could assume direct and effect control in Ireland it would be better betterto to withdraw the armed forces now He lie wished the government to have havo all powers for tor punishing crime but these powers must bo be exercised with real discretion and control and if that were impossible then withdrawal was the better course t tURGES URGES GENEROSITY Voicing his do doubt bt t as to whether a constituent t assembly or convention to settle the tho question was practicable practicable- now and criticising th the financial clauses of ot th sho bill th the speaker eater cl the government to lo tr try m r amend the thel l I bill and make it more acceptable by more generosity regarding finance and andI I by offering fiscal autonomy in the hope that it would bring about peace instead of ot demanding peace as a condition condition condition con con- of ot giving fiscal autonomy Alluding Alluding Alluding Al Al- luding to foreign opinion Lord Grey hoped the government would endeavor to matte make the bill sufficiently s strong rong and generous to appeal to all moderate opinion We have the greatest empire in the world h he declared but it has not I W I been ben without its reverses We lost America through not giving in time and not giving enough Have we ever everin everin everin in our history lost through giving too much He lie instanced South Africa as an an illustration Il Illustration Illustration Il- Il and said it was not yet too late As it stood the bill would only mean trouble in Ireland but if the bill were improved there was a real prospect pros pros- He begged the government nt to total tal take e courage from t the e history of the empire and not throw away avay this op op- op- op but give the house th the I of ot recording its Verdia verdi t a larger and better measure Viscount Bryce said that cutting Ireland in two it would I been better to have one pat ham with all possible guarantees guarantee 3 Ulster would be looked after Thas Thas Th The Theas as it stood offered no prospect o 0 filling the hopes they all aU the theand cher and it was only by going still fu that a settlement could be a r pUshed |