| Show WOMEN AI n THE BALLOT The Sole Topic in the Constitutional Con-stitutional Convention Conven-tion Yesterday FIE ORATORICAL EFFORTS The Question Ably Discussed f From Both Standpoints 3 H Roberts Argues Thnt i Is Inexpedient In-expedient Under Present Conditions Condi-tions nnd Might Endanger the Consummation of Statehood Thnrinan Denies Inexpediency and Urges Memheu to Stand Squarely on the Platform on Which They Were Elected S Richards Demands De-mands i as a Mutter of Simple I Justice Many Ladles Present Tile Debate Will Be Renewed Today To use a somewhat overworked term yesterday was Ladies day in the constitutional convention From 1030 in the morning until noon and from 2 until 4 oclock the suffrage question was the allabsorbing topic for debate and the cause of the best debate that has so far characterized the sittings of the convention As was to be expected Democrats were lions of the day and only jne or two voices were raiser on the Republican side of the house and these were not keyed to the superb efforts of the masters of eloquence with whom they would contend con-tend Rrts gave part of what has been jocay termed the speech of his life and of his death He did not give it all because when he came into the hal in the morning he was met by a condition condi-tion for which he had not looked The night before the Republicans with the utmost secrecy had held a caucus For hours they wrangled and browbeat brow-beat until Charley Crane and his lieutenants lieu-tenants had whipped most of the recalcitrant re-calcitrant Republicans into line So Rpberts was left without that support which had been promised him I IHe knew that the Republicans had Endeavored to win over even those who had signed the minority report With I the ground taken way from under his feet he yet determined to speak and 1 < he made a superb effort worthy to b called the one of his life He spoke to an audience composed of the leading women suffragists of this city the delegates of the convention and the packed lobby in which there was not an inch of standing room From the beginning of his speech until the last word was uttered fully an hour and a half the Interest never flagged All eyes were fixed on the orator as he stood in front of the dek towering over those who were ready to oppose dim the most as he one moment I ose to a climax thrilling in its intensity inten-sity and the next checked himself and allowed his voice to become slow and pleading I took him sometime toga to-ga er himself but once he did he was an oratorical avalanche A stream of language potent and pleasing flowed flow-ed from his lips and caught his listeners i listen-ers antil even those who were most i bit < Aiv opposed to him were compelled i I tcfv y compliment to his power with rapturous applause As he stood alone disclaiming any desire for cliartty j I and fully recognizing the consequences I of his action the suffragists themselves could not but admire his courage and when he had finished they crowded around him and shook his hand en1 j I xhusiastlcally j As Roberts was a superb oration so i the speeches of Thurman and Richards were most able presentations of their I cause Thurman keen deliberate and j I I incisive applied logic to Roberts ora tiqrt He was merciless in his irony ana sarcasm using them until they seemed to cut to the very bone He foot held the house Seldom rising to enthusiasm though often emphatic i 1 he drove his arguments home with strong steady blows Admitting Hoberts to be the peerless orator yet he said he would choose logic After him Richards read a prepared speech i taking up that part of the argument i for suffrage which had not been I I I covered by Thurmans answer Both together covered the entire field Richards I Rich-ards efort was Argumentative I reviewed i re-viewed the quest 1 of suffrage in all Its phases and brought the light to i bear from a dozen different quarters I was a masterly effort i Outside of these Cannon made the best speech He covered much the same ground as Thurman and took up several of Roberts points Chidester as chairman of the committee made a short speech on the same lines Anderson Ander-son of Beaver In a prepared speech i was quite dramatic while Robinson of Kane spoke as a young man and presented a new Ideal idea-l debate will be continued today ifSBerts announced his intention lat nleJnt of continuing his argument This was done because of certain statements on the part of Thurman who rallied him for not arguing the question on its merits He is prepared to take up at least the forenoon and it is not improbable that Thurman will reply The Republicans too are likely to push some one to the front They are afraid to have I shown that the Democrats are the giants of debate on this point especially and last night they were anxiously searching for some one who could speak for their side Latest advices showed they had not been favored with unbounded suc j cef Varian has consented to vote for suffrage but he has not so far eased j his conscience a to speak for it Good win and Kimball are distinctively against it Pierce is not enthusiastic and neither is James This exhausts the roll of Republican orators To tell the truth the Republican side is in a bad wyThe The Proceedings After being called to order at 10 a m the session was opened with prayer by Rev Stanley l Hunter Roll call showed 92 members present showe the journal had been read Chidester who mixed things up the day before said his motion for special order on suffrage had been incorrectly ported Hte had not moved to take e article up after the regular order been i Dished but after roll clan cl-an Dreading of the Journal e chair stated your motion four I w 0 rt times The matter will come up after the regular order Richards straightened things out by moving consideration under the head of special orders Creer presented a petition from fifty citizens of Spanish Fork asking for the submission of the prohibition clause Referred To Limit Debate The committee on rules by Varian reported In favor of a new rule regarding re-garding proceedings in committee of the whole in which motions to postpone post-pone and lay on the table are prohibited pro-hibited while debate is limited to five minutes without privilege for more I than two speeches Allen of Piute moved a suspension of < the rules and the immediate adop tion of the resolution Ivins and Evans supported this It was soon evident that such a rule would place the speakers on suffrage in an unpleasant position by cutting off their speeches Hart and Richards insisted in-sisted that there was no hurry in the matter and the report should lay over one day under the rules The convention however did not seem disposed to be enthusiastic over the prospect of the coming speeches and the report was unanimously adopted Adams chairman of the committee on public lands submitted the article on that subject and it went on the calendar of the committee of the whole column Its full text will be found in another The Ball Opens Wells made another attempt to sidetrack side-track the suffrage article by calling for the third reading of the bill of rights under the head of unfinished business He was ruled out however and at 1040 the convention went into committee of the whole On suffrage with Hart of Caohe in the chair Lambert of Salt Lake endeavored to be the first to make a motion by offering a substitute for the first two sections But he could not even secure a second Kiesel of Weber offered a substitute tute for the first section which provided pro-vided that male citizens with the usual necessary qualifications should have the right of suffrage There were cries of Question Question The suffragists were evidently I evi-dently ready to go to vote without argument ar-gument Roberts took the floor Ivins a a matter of courtesy asked unanimous consent < ibtit Roberts be I given all the time he wished Varian called attention to the rule limiting debate but said he would I yield his time to the gentleman One aLter another delegate followed until Roberts had about two hours time I and was compelled to ask Mr Chairman I ask protection from this flood Roberts Starts the Discussion I Roberts said he would not take as much time as he would otherwise have i taken had not the Republicans decided de-cided In caucus to support the article Friends who had stood with him now I said the fight was useless Perhaps they would now wonder why he continued con-tinued He would not make his argument I argu-ment on the merits of the question as i was useless to reason with those who closed their ears and determined to I follow a chosen course He would argue only as toexpediency First he I wanted o say hfe was disappointed with the report o the minority He knew nothingofwhat H < containedun I tEl it was readfrom the clerks desk His only suggestion made to the minority mi-nority had been ignored by them He had been misunderstood because he had resented the arrogance of the majority He had been anxious to have a minority report made in order to have the issue joined Where the majority was unkind enough ungenerous ungener-ous enough to endeavor to keep the report I re-port from being properly brought forward for-ward he had made the fight He was j I proud he had That was as far s I his connection had gone with the Republicans Re-publicans Against Increase of Taxes In the territcrv there is a general sentiment against increase of taxes Thinkers must realize that the taxes will be almost doubled There Is a numerous class who will oppose this constitution on this ground They are not alone in the rural districts They are in the centres of population There is another class which will oppose op-pose statehood because they ear prohibition pro-hibition So far as can be told the convention con-vention will submit a separate article on this subject There is ar considerable consider-able number who fear its adoption and who will vote against the whole constitution con-stitution rather than to see he state pledged to i The Disappointed Ones Further than this there are thost who were displeased by the results of the election The Republicans might smile They undoubtedly believed that I the only persons who could be dl gruntled at results were the Democrats I Demo-crats But this was not so He had been Informed by one of the leaders of the victorious Republicans that already al-ready dissentions over spoils bad made themselves felt and the party was rent with dissensions until there were a many disgruntled ones among them as i I among the Democrats There Is the other class which will i vote against the constitution on account ac-count of woman suffrage He had often heard of the courage of Wyoming I Wyo-ming and of Colorado and of Kansas Yet why not speak of New York of old Virginia of Indiana of Ohio I They have not woman suffrage Yet I they have no tyranny over woman I i Yet men speak of Wyoming They say I it has had suffrage for twentyfive j years I womans influence has been j I so good Wyoming should be a model state But on i there is now a blot I of shame that cannot be wiped away That was the blot of wholesale murder j I of helpless foreigners which the Influence In-fluence of women was unable to restrain re-strain He denied woman suffrage had I been tried In Wyoming for twentyfive years Until lately Wyoming has been I a territory and had not felt the strong feelings that come with statehood and Its attendant struggles for place The territorial condition offered no chance for the consuming fire of politics I was like going from a relief society to the polls Was that a fair trial of suffrage suffrageFear Fear of Old Conditions There is another class fearing that old conditions will be revived That feeling is not yet dead The class Is already large I we place woman suffrage in the constitution that class will be enlarged Members had told him their blood boiled when they saw the intimations in the minority report Yet whether blood boils or simmers he fact remains The delegates might as well look the condition in the face 1 He regretted i but the class was strong which believed there was no I sincerity in the movement They perhaps per-haps do not fear the people but the leaders of tile dominant church Ke had tred to convince them differently In put and in private yet they would not be convinced This combinaun itself Is formidable Yet the end has not come I the constitution were adopted i still had tt go to Washington In the first place there would be a question as to the regularity of procedingse In tile convention He thougnt there was ground for question and even the gentleman gen-tleman who had the high honor of pre Continued on Page 3 > < i < t V0MEN ANn THE BALLOT Continued from page L siding over iL might be callea upon to show his credentials Even further in the adoption of the constitution if women were allowed to vote on it the act would be irregular In all times a class to be privileged has never been allowed to vote on that privilege There Is another factor The east is already afraid of the silver question It matters not which party gains in the state it will be in favor of silver at 16 to 1 without waiting for England or any other country The feeling against silver extends through the east More than that the sincerity sin-cerity of this movement has not been accepted abrsad It would be easy to engender a feeling against this state It would be well for gentlemen to look the situation in the face The Goltlcfn Opportunity This is the golden opportunity for the territory If it shall pass God only knows when it will come again Time after time the boon has been reached for each time it has been denied He would address himself to the women wo-men of the territory Here was a chance to become a state It would be a grand movement for them if they WOUld See how this onfrnnrViJcamonf nn would endanger the very consumma tion to be sought and would petition that the privilege should not be granted He believed the women of Utah were capable of such a sacrifice But it would be useless to ask it Only It would be a great opportunity for the women Yet delegates were determined to disregard dis-regard these considerations They considered con-sidered themselves pledged To hear them speak one would suppose that the keeping of such party pledges would be the most meritorious thing that could be done But party platforms had been adopted under peculiar circumstances cir-cumstances The Platforms He said the history of the two plat forms was not one to provoke admira tion The Republicans true to that instinct I in-stinct which makes them endeavor to catch votes adopted a plank designed to cut the ground out from under their opponents feet and had placed in their platform plank more emphatic but not well considered And now he continued they come into this constitutional conven tion where men ought to rise moun tain high above party politics and above party expediency and take into consideration the good of the entire people of our territory and they un dertake to say that these Illconsidered party planks of platforms shall bind them down to follow a course which puts in danger statehood itself The cry is Be true to your party be true to your party pledges and men are acting upon this floor against their consciences I con-sciences as to the merits of woman suffrage in order to uphold party con slstency and shrinking like cowards from the responsibility of rising above party consideration and doing an act that shall insure the safety of the scheme of statehood He believed the duty they owed the people was higher than that of blindly following the platforms c Would Support It However he did not wish to be misunderstood mis-understood He would not oppose the adoption of the constitution if women suffrage were included They might include that and they might include i prohibition and yet he would do all I in his power to have it adopted If any party would allow him to speak from its platform after what he had i said he would urge all within the I sound of his voice to do everything possibly to secure to Utah that priceless price-less boon of statehood for which she had so long labored A MCSM of It He supposed his party friends would say he had made a mess of it He knew he had displeased them He knew he had not pleased the Republicans Repub-licans What was more he had not pleased his constituents They were preparing to resolute against his course Yet when the time came he would not fear to face them When the first flush of anger had worn oft the people among whom he had been raised would see that he had acted from a sense of duty He had also displeased dis-pleased the ladies One had told him they would reward their friends If they could do that they could punish their enemies But he wanted no political I polit-ical office He had been admonished that the effort of his life would be the effort of his death He believed he had dug his political grave deep enough even to satisfy his friends He stood alone Alone but I would not ex change my free thought for a throne Great applause He could say 0 grave where is thy victory 0 death where is thy sting There was one thing no one could charge They could not say he had played the part of demagogue They could not say that like a scurvy politician he had done what he could not believe was right All his interests would have drawn him in the opposite direction He liked public approbation According to the promise of the ladles he might have become a candidate for immortality immor-tality and the laurel might have encircled en-circled his brow But he wanted to admonish ad-monish his fellow delegates while they were reaching out their hands for immortality to be sure they were not digging a grave for statehood Roberts finished just before 12 oclock and sat down and the convention broke into instant and enthusiastic applause As soon as it was over Ricks moved the committee arise and it did A recess was taken until 2 oclock II In the Afternoon I Immediately upon reassembling in the afternoon Squires moved to go into I committee of the whole and Hart was again called to the chair I ChIdester as chairman of the committee com-mittee on elections and suffrage was given the floor He said the question had been fully settled in the minds and hearts of the delegates Both parties par-ties had pledged themselves Petitions from thousands of people had been pouring in from day to day There was no remonstrance except from the minority of the commltee He denied the assertion that the minority had been treated unfairly Never had a minority been given more consideration considera-tion Plenty of time was accorded to it He said the assertion of the minority minor-ity report that the people were not sincere in this movement was not fair and not true The insertion of the suf frage clause will not take one vote from the constitution which would not have been taken otherwise The time for such speeches as had been made in the morning was when the conventions were considering the two platforms Now every man in the convention Is pledged He had accepted the platform of his party and had been elected upon it He had no right to go back on it No other man had a right to go back on his pledges If any mistake was made it was at the time the platforms were adopted The mistake could not i be made In the convention Anderson Says Perfidy Anderson of Beaver read a prepared pre-pared typewritten speech He said women should have the right to vote for the protection of their homes They are morally superior to men They are mentally equal They are open to reason and are patriotic He could remember the time when Utah had had i woman suffrage and elections had been better and purer He pointed out the good effects of suffrage in Wyoming and Kansas He said every member > who voted against suffrage was a traitor He was guilty of perfidy and dishonor He should resign Roberts smiled Delegates should be true to i their pledges and not be so bigoted as I to deny to women the privileges held by men Thnrninzr Hits Back Thunman said if it were not for the pride he took in his position he would not speak He believed equal suffrage I was a foregone conclusion in the convention con-vention unless oratory and eloquence was stronger than cold logic and a keen sense of justice and > right When it came to oratory the gentleman from I Davis was entitled to the honor He could not be met on that ground But I the convention was laying the foundations founda-tions of the temple of liberty It was I discussing the question I of widening liberty and wiping out artificial distinctions I dis-tinctions existing only in sentiment It was a peculiar condition when the most eloquent speaker in the convention conven-tion and none could deny ithe distinction distinc-tion said he would not discuss a question j ques-tIon on the basis of right As for Jinn self he would look ror justice and throw expediency aside God forbid that he should come to lay the foundation < founda-tion of a state and think only of ex j pediency instead of justice and right As to Expediency But he would meet the nuesitkm on the grounds of expediency Is woman suffrage dangerous to statehood Would the people adopt a constitution framed by men who had proved derelict dere-lict ito the very principle on which they had been elected They would say tine convention had given them something else than that which they had demanded What confidence could they have afterwards in either the Republican Re-publican or Democratic parties He would read from the Democratic platform because it was more pronounced pro-nounced than the Republican plank He was proud that he had drafted the resolution of the Democratic platform The party which put forward the gentleman gen-tleman from Davis and himself demanded de-manded that the provision be placed In the constitution He might not have the eloquence or courage of the gentleman from Davis He had not thait sort of courage which would allow I him to be elected on a platform and then arise In convention and refuse to comply with it He did not aspire to such courage Some Irony The gentleman from Davis had said he stood alone among the ruins While the coliseum stands Rome stands So while the gentleman from Davis stands the opposition to woman suffrage stands Laughter But he would not go outside the question of expediency and tell why he was favoring the retention re-tention of this sentimental distinction He placed his opposition on the ground that through the territory and the outside out-side states there was an undercurren rumbling and grumbling which woul have a bad effect on statehood Was there such a grumbling It had not been heard outside of the convention It had not been heard of In the convention con-vention except from the small minority minor-ity If there is such a fear of equal suffrage if there is such a fear of prohibition pro-hibition if there is such a fear of increased in-creased taxes why had not protests been sent into the convention None of these had come in Will Say Hands Off nn n AH OppUlLUllltJf uu w wvu I he would speak plainly on a subject onl which he had been silent for a longtime I long-time The minority had said there Was a fear that the movement of the Mormon I Mor-mon people was not sincere They appeared I ap-peared to fear that the women would be used In order to bring back conl ditlons now behind us He did not believe be-lieve there was a basis for such a fear He would pledge himself that If I such conditions should arise If there ta a disposition to so manipulate these votes the very men who were askin for this equal right would be the firs I to PIV hands ofT You are treadinc on holy ground Yet such was hi faith in the Mormon chuch and its leaders as to justify hm in giving assurance as-surance that if political parties woul leave them alone they would leav the parties alone Even the gentlemar from Davis basing his argument on the claim that this feeling exists i1 constrained to admit there is no reaso for it A Question of LIJjeraYity If there ip such an element wha would its members say if fhe Mormons Mor-mons should use their full power Ian Ian I-an endeavor to keep out of the state those who are not Mormons Bub the church is thinking of nothing ff that kind The Utah company has teen formed In it are Presidents Woodruff Wood-ruff and Cannon The object of the company is to bring more people Into the state It will not bring In Mormons Mor-mons but those who would be able to set off their own strength Then if i this element desires to keep down the Mormon vote It ID more Intolerant than the Mormons ever were I When the argument against expediency ex-pediency falls to the ground then the whole argument of the opposition falls with it Are people afraid of increase of taxation Arc they afraid of pro u a n If ajoitlon they are jre why inc have > uiciu they not cnadr themselves felt In the convention Not a protest has come in What basis isj there then for the argument The Host Element The best argument for woman suffrage suf-frage was to be found in the minority report It claimed that women are better than men Should this be an argument against their participation Inl the right of suffrage Should a state founded on the enlightenment of its citizens and reflecting their virtues forbid for-bid participation to those who form th best element in it Is this expedient The elections would be made pure and justice and right would be bes subserved Richards Able Argument Richards said it was well at times tf return to fundamental principles H < rejected the assertion that the granting grant-ing of suffrage would cast a nhadot on the validity of the constitutio On other questions the convention w variously overshadowed but on tl question of suffrage it had > lenar power Writers on constitutional laj generally agree with this view ThJ constitutional provision The Unit States shall guarantee to every sta I a republican form of governmen would act more to prevent a lImitati than an extension of the suffrage The first section of the teportej article Is elementary and primary Is broad as human nature and respon to every possible demand of humani in the complex relations of soclet The right to vote and hold office is nr abridged on account of sex and a civil political and religious rights ail privileges are equally assured TH other sections are explanatory corre tive and qualitive of the first T first section means that human being as such shall no longer be subject to discriminating legislation degradi to one half the population dishonorl to the other half while the foundaticj 9 11 < 1Hnn th < n n II nn1 gation and right is the same In both Inequality Tyrannical Principles come before precedent Our free institutions are great fact conclusions from the world of real lift We differ from the warring easter nations because of broad principles c Intelligence which have entered ou national life These were formulate In the Declaration of Independence As the words ofChrist cover all age of the church and as those words an increasingly fulfilled as the ages progress pro-gress in knowledge and righteousness so the words of the declaration are for all advances In government and they will be fulfilled in proportion as government gov-ernment is perfected When our fathers declared that all men are created free and equal they expressed that which is expressed in 1 the first section Men and women stood on an equality there just as they did when the Creator said Let us make man in our Image after our likeness and let them have dominion do-minion I When governments do not secure D 0 p these rights they are tyrannical When we make the women of Utah amenable to a government to which they have not given their consent through the channels of representation the government govern-ment is tyrannous Xo New Principles In respect to principles there Is nothing noth-ing new under the sun Precedents arise when intelligence and principle become embodied in history Our laws are founded on precedents but the world would have perished long ago had It not been possible to outgrow precedents Had our forefathers been entirely governed by them we would still have been In serfdom to England I We would still be dominated by the slave oligarchy Principles are eternal eter-nal yet they are so only in proportion as humanity grows to its full stature The general truths and principles of American political history were promulgated pro-mulgated In 1776 and American precedents pre-cedents ill grow in harmony therewith there-with S i c J J which to make a pel He said gentlemen had iSTd great stress on what they had called his indisposition in-disposition to argue the question on its merits He had not done so in the morning in order to save time He knew gentlemen had made UP their minds and It was no use to argue He had therefore used only three pages of notes out of a possible fifteen He was willing to meet the arguments In the morning and would not hesitate o c 1 < < to have a tilt on the merits with the gentleman from Utah The committe arose at 4 oclock and the convention adjourned CONVENTION CHAT CT Jokes were flying all around the convention con-vention yesterday about the Republican Repub-lican caucus of the night before The Republican delegates had been instructed in-structed to keep mum as oysters but they could not help letting out some of the funny things that happened The best joke was on Driver of Weber who had gotten up in the caucus and said that he would hardly dare to show his face In Ogden again if he should vote against woman suffrage I would have to move south he said Ie saidIs Is i a sort of life and death affair asked some one Well l its rather that way said fDriver The fact is Mrs Driver Is a leader in the suffrage movement in Weber ounty S Chidester was scarcely less emphatic He said such promises had been made I in Garfield county L that he u would WtI uan IUV IlS leu again 1 the party went back on Its platform They need not make any more attempts at-tempts on Washington Chidester generally gen-erally has a somewhat sad voice and the appeal he threw into his tones made the effect a moving one But i Chidester was moving Van Home was more so He had himself Worked up into a proper pHch of fervency lvency and he sailed In and sailed all over ithe room So rank were his statement that Morris of Salt Lake and one or two other members got up in disgust and walked out At length odwin walked over to him and tried to keep him quiet But he was going jto have his say and he did After ards he cooled down and agreed to ict with the others Varlan surrendered He said he had > een considering the subject and had talked i over with the family until he had come to the conclusion that he was pledged by the Republican platform plat-form He had been orought up a suffragist but his experience on this coast had taken that out of him to a great extent He was ready to comeback come-back into the fold j Goodwin said he wasnt pledged and dId not intend to help the suffrage movement But he was sadly in the inority Even McFarland the member j mem-ber from Weber who stood out with the minority of the committee was rought to time He tried to fight i Jut the odds were against him As he i left he said Well boys do as you like Charley Crane was the most eloquent elo-quent one He averred that the Republicans Re-publicans had pledged themselves head over heels and it would be suicide togo to-go back on the pledge He appealed Ito the obdurate ones The appeal was lent force by the fading outlines of his gubernatorial aspirations While one of the advocates of woman suffrage was speaking yesterday la very disgusted looking young man stood in the doorway of the cloakroom cloak-room and looked in An acquaintance in ume up LU nun diiu atapiJCT4 nun uu he shoulder Why you dont seem to be Inter sted old man I though you were an luthusiastic woman suffragist The young man looked more dis usted Woman suffragist he queried Well I guess not Id just like to get n the floor for five minutes to answer at fellow Why up in our house we avent heard anything for the last fix months Weve had i for break ist dinner and supper Its the first fling we hear of in the morning and ne last thing at night I havent had I chance to talk with my mother for Ithe last thirty days Im sick and tired of the whole blamed nonsense Hart was the envied of the envied 1 nes T be chairman of a committee Jon ladles day is a privilege to be esteemed Chidester and Cannon have had ideas that they were to be the suffrage leaders lead-ers by virtue of being Republicans but they have been sadly euchered What makes the thing less bearable is the fact that Goodwin the acknowledged acknow-ledged leader of their side had stated on the floor that Thurman is the leader Without this last sting they might have been able to bear up but now they are disconsolate Talk of courage I it does not take I courage for a man to face a battery of advocates of suffrage like those Roberts faced yesterday then the story books are all wrong and Jack the Giant Killer never existed m a Thurman is the wit of the convention i conven-tion He is also its most Incisive T n ptiKtI = 1 UUf auu ana11 an clean and cut like i razor to the very I bone i J i President Smith Is living in the expectation ex-pectation that there will be fun on the Democratic side when Roberts and Thurman again have a tilt today Seeing that the Republican side furnished fur-nished a great deal of amusement for the Democrats and that John Henry has been very liberal in that line himself him-self it will be a simple case of turnabout turn-about But the Democrats can never equal the Republicans as principals in a circus In these times of stormy debate Assistant As-sistant President McGurrln has very little time to keep UP on the rules iTnerefore there has been a little slack ness of late Even Secretary Christensen Christen-sen had to come to the rescue yester day and say In a stage whisper that could be heard half way across the acros hallSay Say division is called for Division Is called for dutifully repeated re-peated the president dutfuly re I t Only the vote will show what effect was made by the speeches of the giants yesterday r Young Robinson of Kane made his raafden speech yesterday As he was somewhat familiar In his use of the names of Cleopatra and NIobe he has been unmercifully joked ever since Through an error The Herald was given what purported to be a copy ot the proposed article on apportionment In reality the copy furnished among those given to the press was one that had been used much earlier in the proceedings and had been changed in some material respects According to the article submitted the following is the formation of senatorial districts First Box Elder and Tooele ona senator Second Cache one senator Third Rich Morgan and Davis ona senator FourthWeber two senators Fifth Summit and Wasatch onE senator Sixth Salt Lake five stnators SeventhUtah two senators Eighih Juab and Millard one sena tor torNinth Ninth Sanpete one senator Tenth Sevier Wayne Piute and Gar field one senator EleventhBeaver Iron Washington and Kane one senator TwelfthEmery C irl > on Ulntah Grand and San Juan one Uint |