Show AFTERNOON SESSION Devoted to Heading Papers and DIs cus < injr thc Subjects The afternoon session was rather slow in getting down to business When I President Roulette finally rapped for order and the convention settled itself down to the business in hand the credentials cre-dentials committee reported for membership mem-bership the following who were elected John Sllnghuff Morristown Pa J K Hook Pueblo Cob N Eckel Syracuse Syra-cuse N Y J W Wilmarth Pawtucket Pawtuck-et R I J A Richardson Trinidad Colo G O Purdy East St Louis C Hacker Muscatine Ia W Schlowick Evansville Ird I J Myers Mount Pulaski IlL John Wilson Ksarney rulald W Hool Pueblo Colo A J Mercier New Decatur Ala A J Warner Butte ont G Elston Anaconda Ana-conda Mon J Burris Great Falls Mont L A Roedell Cheyenne Wyo L N Newman Kansas City W Durham Dur-ham jr New Brunswick N J G L Lapp Butte Mont W N Pope Park City J Tredale Rock Springs Wyo C G Leonard Willimantic Conn F K Herr Westminster J J Stone Greenboro N C R FrQmm Phoenix Ariz J Nansen Eureka D N Loveless Love-less Provo J G Bentley Chariton la and the following state firemens organizations W Exall New York J J Stone North Carolina L W Clark Vermont G W Blackman Illinois G W Brooks Pannsylvania F W Peabody Michigan COMMITTEE ON EXHIBITS The chair announced the appointment appoint-ment of the following committee on exhibits Higgins Albany Purdy East St Louis Pelt r Kansas City McFoll Roanoke Burke Memphis The committee were instructed to notify no-tify all exhibitors to make their displays > dis-plays this afternoon at 230 oclock I ORDER OF BUSINESS I The next order of business was the discussion of topics and reading of i papers upon regular assignments The r first topic was How are private fire I departments to be properly organized I drilled and made a useful adjunct t I city fire department Herbert Heston fire marshal of the I Pennsylvania railroad to whom the topic was assigned was not ready to I respond and the subject was laid over j for the day The second toplcThe best and safest plan for fighting fires in groin I elevators had been assigned to P R i Fennell chief of the fire department of Winona Minn and F L Stetson chief of the Minneapolis fire department depart-ment as a committee to prepare a I paper on the subject Mr Stetson submitted the paper which was read by Editor Smith of the Western Fireman Fire-man who handled the subject in a most comprehensive manner setting forth the vews of the two chiefs who because of the geographical location of their cities were peculiarly fitted to speak upom i Winona and Minneapolis Minneapo-lis being among the largest elevator centers of the northwest Following the reading the discussion reing of te paper a discussIn ensued which was participated in by a number of chiefs in whose cities grain elevators are located The third topic was The necessity of fire departments adapting themselves them-selves to the nw order of things high buildings all glass and no partition walls large floor space demanded by the present way of conducting business busi-ness overhead wires all machinery that comes in contact with them should be grounded i construction more effective chemical engines more force larger capacity for inside work J D Pag chief of the Joliet I department de-partment was to have treated the subject sub-ject but not being prepared the topic was laid over to enable him to submit sub-mit his paper at a later session J A Archibald chief of the Cincinnati Cincin-nati department was not present to handle the topic Should not tool wagons wa-gons for carrying extra appliances be adopted in all fire departments having thtoe extras instead of loading same on the fire engines which was Noon 4 No-on the programme President Roulette accordingly called on various members of the association t express their views on the subject all agreeing that a tool has become wagon now a necessity neces-sity in all departments of any size since the science of fighting fires has resolved itself largely into a matter of time in getting to the fire and the numerous appliances which are constantly con-stantly being added to departments being leaded onto trucks and koed on > tcs engines i a serious impediment to expedition After the topic had been thoroughly discussed it was upon motion ordered or-dered to be assigned to the next executive execu-tive committee to be placed among there the-re Ii c FJ1REtM5 IN A UNE assignment of topics or the next convention con-vention its importance being deemed of to much importance to allow it to drop at this time From the tenor of tihe convention a tool wagon will evidently evi-dently be in general use among a part of fire department equipment before many years Topic No5 Should not a municipality municipal-ity give to the fire chief the authority I to ccntrol the setting of poles and stringing of wires of telephone telegraph tele-graph and electric street railway companies i I com-panies was referred to a committee I O three composed of Messrs Pelletier I of Kansas City McConnell of Buffalo 1 and McACee of Baltimore to prepare a he absence of Knof I paper in absenc o George 1 flock chief of the department of Mansfield I Mans-field Ohio The action was taken upon I a motion prevailing that such a committee com-mittee be appointed to treat topics of so much importance when the persons I to whom they have been assigned are not in attendance Topic No6 What should be the necessary I ne-cessary qualifications of a chief of afire I a-fire department had been left open I t general discussion and President Roulette cailed upon sEveral chiefs to speak After several had spoken without with-out confirming themselves to the subj ° t Chief Senroin of Grand Rapids Michigan called the attention at-tention cl > ithe chair t the fact and asked to hear from some member on the direct topic saying he wduld like to know what constituted a first class chief cef In response Chief Paige of Joliet f h 6 4 i I A a w I A = I = 9d 1 tI Rt t C tJ t t t A DOUBLE XOZZLK I said that he believed the office of chtef o the fire department of large cities should be the best paid in the municipality muni-cipality Then said he we would be able to train our sons for the position posi-tion a men are trained for other pro I fessumy iby being schooled for it In I my opinion a firstclass chief should II 1 not be an old man like myself Mr 1 Paige is well along in years but should I be a young man He should be a civil engineer and be qualified to judge of how e building is put up when he looks i at it He should next b a mechanical j I engineer and be able t draft his own plans when he wants a specific piece of machinery built He should > also bean be-an hydraulic engineer and understand water pressure vacuum etc Mr Paige added facetiously and in our large cities where we have skyscrapers skyscrap-ers he might t advantage have a idea of trigonometry and be able to measure distance Chief Reel of Omaha said Mr Paiges idea was good in idea wa very god theory but with the varying conditions wih te varing govern ing fire departments s many of them being subject to political changes that but few chiefs retain office sufficiently long to warrant the preparation i I was hardly practicable He thought the subject a more proper one to be i I discussed by the curbstone fireman who always knows better how to run a I department than any one else but never get office I Chief Humphreys of Pittsburg Pa I coincided with the previous speakers views and said After all I think that I probably the best plan for us all to follow is to study our respective cities I their needs our facilities and water supply become thorough conversaiat with our own situation and how we can best promote the welfare of our departments and I think we will get along very welV I After some further discussion upon motion of Chief HIggins of Albany I 1 New York the discussion was ordered r spread upon the minutes to be printed for the benefit of all chiefs Topics Nos 7 and S laid ad r over to be taken up later They were Some dangers to be apprehended from the transformer system of electric i elec-tric lighting Should cities with a pop I I illation of 75000 and over organize and maintain an efficient electrical bureau to supervise new and old insulations of j electric wires mol and generators I for the better protection of life and j t property and Do town and city I authorities realize the dangers of electrolysis elec-trolysis due to Imperfect return trlysls t rect retur conductors I con-ductors of street railways I Topic No9 How can the modern tall building be best protected by the fire department 7 was referred to the committee appointed to treat subjects I when assignments were not fulfilled J A Crawforfl exchief of the department de-partment of Benfbn HarborMich sub l mltted a paper or topic No 10 Local r t r 1 fire insurnc agents Their relative p sition to the chief of the fire depart menU I was read by Editor Smith of the Western Fireman and argued than there should be the closest relations and understanding between ad a perfect undertandng bwen them to the end that risks might not b overinsured and a premium thereby created for Incendiarism A discussion of the subject followed participated in by Messrs Polletier of Kansas City Le Moir of Grand Rapids Rap-ids Swingley of St Louis Pearce of Denver Helnmeiller of Columbus 0 Higgins of Albany N Y and Johnson of Philadelphia The majority of the gentlemen spoke of the frequency of overinsuring by agents so unscrupuious a to take a agenls a rsk simply for the premium and without regard to whether the risk wM safe I was left for Messrs Pellet Pel-let and Higgins to suggest a remedy reme-dy The former said It could only be cured by legislation which was hard to get while Mr Higgins advocated 0 very bold policy but withal one that would undoubtedly result in a great benefit t all communities as well as the greatest possiible preventive of incendiary fires I was that muni cipoMies go into the fire insurance ciptes business He cited Albany his home catty a a illustration and said that insurance companies had reaped a net profit there o 100000 last year He held that if it was so profitable a business busi-ness for insurance companies it could for municipalities be made equally or more so nicipalities He argued that while the would agent of a foreign company take a risk without looking < at the properly the home company would not but when a man canie in to insure In-sure and stated the amount of the policy he desired to carry the home agent would tell him to come in later and he would see what he could do for him In the meantime he would inspect the risk and if he found It would not carry the amount desired he would so inform the applicant when he came back and only allow him to insure for a safe amount This plan he held would do away with incendiary incen-diary fires and the municipality would frs wa make money enough t equip and maintain the very best fire department depart-ment and at no expense to the taxpayer payer Mr Higgins remarks were warmly applauded when he ha finished late adjourn ished As it wa getting adjour ment w proposed till 10 oclock this but before the motion was morning befor moto w put a telegram w read from Chief George Knofflick of Mansfield Ohio regretting his inability to be present An announcement was made that the committee on exhibits would meet this morning at 9 oclock and then ChioT Burrows of Augusta Georgia mounted the platform and in a neal speech presented Chief Devine with a stick grown L Georgia and carved a he announced by a Georgian especially pecially to be presented to Salt Lakes to chief a a moments of his visit Augusui lat year and Chief Devine responded feelingly the convention adjourned nr I LIST OF DELEGATES Following is the full list of the members mem-bers of the association who have thus far registered and who sat In yesterdays yester-days session John D Page Joliet I C E Swingley Sfc Louis E W Stimpson Springfield 0 C E Leonard Willamette Willa-mette Conn William C McAfee Baltimore Bal-timore F P Beardslee Bridgeport imore Conn G W Miller Reading Pa J A Crawford Benton Harbor Mich Joshua Hodgms Marinette Wis Julius Ju-lius HodginsJlarinete Barkman Decatur Ill Herbert Heston Pennsylvania Penn-sylvania railroad fire department Philadelphia Joseph C Baxter jr Philadelphia I Beal Lawrence Mass W R Joyner Atlanta M J Myers Mt Pulaski I John Brierh Lynn Mass William Durham jr New Brunswick N J Irving F Patt Central Falls R I S S Elforth Cam den N J John Slingluff Norristown Pa E E Baty Colorado Springs George W Brooks delegate P S F I H Coatsville Pa H W Yates ex chief Lexington Ky Frank B Moody Deeringnie r William Exall Newark N J R Fromm Phoenix Ariz F A Bentley Eaton Rapids Mich J W Wilmarth Pawtucket R lIch L Winchell Zanesville 0 H Hemmeiller Columbus 0 L W Clark New York City B J McConnell McCon-nell Buffalo N Y M S Humphreys Pittsburg Pa W W Fiske Johnston Johns-ton R 1 Charles F Reiff Fremont 0 F L Stetson Minneapolis Minn 1 E Higgins Albany N Y J F Jarckel Pekin I A P Fogg Boone Ia J G Millin Birmingham AlaI Ala-I George M Kellogg Sioux City Ia B i M Robinson Montgomery Ala W H Johnson Philadelphia C H Cohn Allantown Pa Thomas Wilkinson Dallas Tex Henry Lemoin Grand Rapids Mich F N Peabody Albion i Mich Carl Moeller Peoria Iii D C Larkin Dayton 0 G C Hale Kan I sas City John K Hunter Allegheny I Pa William Binford Ogden A G Harris Tampa Fla F 11 Smith South Omaha G J Burrs Columbus Ga J P Sawyer Ashville N C A J Kennedy New Haven Conn E J Jushurst Auburn N Y R G Blackburn Black-burn Oswego N Y N Eckel Syracuse bur Syra-cuse N Y C W Devore Decatur Ill John Redell Omaha W J Allen Il Cripple Creek J F Pelletier Kansas City r pp L H Noman Kansas City G I I I Ci Hook Pueblo Colo George L Lapp Butte Mont Henry A Guthrie Sacramento Gal Joseph Judale Rock Springs Wyo F A Roedel Cheyenne Wyo James McFall Roanoke Va I 11 Sloan Mobile Ala |