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Show I FREE FOR ALL DEBATE j FEATURE OF SECOND j C. OF C OPEN FORUM Business Men Recommend That Steps Be Taken at Once to Obtain One or More Large Apartment Houses for Ogden; Need of Homes Decbred Factor Holding Back Prosperity. 4 , Mqre thai! 100 business men attended the second monthly open forum ot the Ogden Chamber f Commerce ;tt the Weber club last night, listened to Mayor Frank Francis' eonuniltee report mi the housing sil nation, and then fell to m a free for all debate which resulted re-sulted in making the following recommendations to the directors of the chamber: I That the directors appoint a perma-I perma-I nerd committee on housing With a vlea to relieving the lack of homes in Ug- den. That the financial plan for obtaining obtain-ing the homes be similar to or the one 'mapped out by Lie chamber several j months ago when the attempt to re-i re-i lleve the situation was made. I That another committee be appointed appoint-ed to lake steps toward the organize -! tlon of a corporation to build one or ; more large apartment houses In Igden That the next open forum be devot-' devot-' ed to hearing a report on how to ob-1 ob-1 lain a cleaner (gden. the report to be gotten up by a committee headed by i Superintendent W. Karl Hopkins. RES1 LT OF MEETING Lttst night's debate brought out that there is virtually no hope that private C iidtal can be induced to build cot-Jtages cot-Jtages for rent purposes because of the 'inadequate returns on the money ln-I ln-I vested. I it was emphasised, however, thai m-i m-i vestors would not bo so reluctant I bo ii , putting money in a pa rtment houses because be-cause Uiis form of investment does .bring an Income proportionate to that (obtained from other Investments. The debate disclosed that coinpiu-Inlty coinpiu-Inlty effort must be put fortli to assist jthe citizens to finance tho building ol 'their own cottages The meeting also disclosed that ; there were many ready to build homes here as soon as they were com lived that pslces Of material and labor had I reached rock bottom. FEW SHOTS FIRED. R( al estate men came in for a few hot snots n the course of last night's discussion as did also the manufacturers manufac-turers of brick. The realty men wer charged with forcing dp prices ol ' houses above their actual value and j the brlcjk makers were declared to b ! holding back a building boom by re : fusing to cut the war price of theli I ..rn.li,,t l.l I II Hi B n The meeting was enlivened further j by What amounted to a debate be 1 1 Ween wliut might be called the Ideal -: ,sls and the materialists The mayor's committee report set forth the views , of those who had ii :iis m connection ; with the future BO lar .s the housing situation w'.t:-. concerned. I David Mattson headed the fon a pf j the "materialists.' The mayor's report sei forth that In ; providing homes for Its citizens. k-i k-i den should not overlook the advant-agSS advant-agSS which come from providing its people with a small ploi of ground for a garden and for a plav spot for lhe children Mr. Maltson took the sland that the person who is seeking a home doesn't want these things l l i. II Mil I INSCRIPTION "The mod. rn man doesn't want to I be bothered with a lawn, a garden, a ! cow, chickens or a pig." lie said '.Ml I ho wants Is a job, a steam-heated I apartment nd an automobile. 1 This description brought forth much laughter. Mr. Maltson made a plea for the apartment house in plans to relieve the Shortage. Where there was a question ques-tion as to whether s builder of homes for rent would ever realize a rea.son-' rea.son-' able Interest on his money, Mi Matt-I Matt-I son said an apartment bouse was a 1 paying proposition. SECONDED BY STI .WELL This statement was later seconded ! by . J. .Stllv. ell w ho said lie spoke from experience. Mr. stiiweii said I from IS to JO per cent was virtually I guaranteed to the ow ner of an apart-I apart-I ! ment house Mr Mattson said Ogden should show , as much interest n Its own Industries as those which It has brought In from J other places and ho.suggested that this , interest bo shown by paving Wilson llano to the sugar factorv. Tho mayor offered the information that steps were being taken looking l,..r,l ,ht no. lnn. nt lh .,,..,1, .. iun:uu i ihj tiim oi ine on o.-i, ii least to the county line. The views of lhe real estato men I were pet forth by Carl Rasmusson. He said tho real estato dealers did not ; think tho situation was acute hecausol i the reai estate men could provide a1 i home for anybody who wants to buy a place. Building homes for rent purposes, pur-poses, he declared, was a losing proposition. prop-osition. He said the lack of rent property prop-erty had resulted In some good ln that it had made former renters homo owners. own-ers. His statements brought forth contention con-tention from other speakers that I homes for the renter must be provided provid-ed because not all strangers In the city can be expected to Jump In first thing and buy a home, i THY OIT THE TOWN ''Many persons want to try out a town firt to see if they like tin- place and Its people " Warren L. Wattls, the retiring president of the chamber of commerce, said. The committee's report had disclosed disclos-ed that many persons brought to cg- ( Continued on Page Two) IFBEE FOR ALL DEBATE I FEATURE OF SECOi C. OF C. OPEN FORUM (Continued Prom Pose One.) den by the addition to its Industries were absolutely unable to find places1 In which to live. Other gave their personal experiences experi-ences In hou6C-huntlng upon their ar- ! rival in Ogden These speakcre were among those who charged that prices on houses here were beyond reason , when compared with prices In other I cities. The assault against the brick men I consisted of what L. S. Hodgson, archl-i archl-i tect. said was a plain statement of fact He said that the pre-war price of brick I of a certain grade irae $7 a thousand ;on the cars at Denver and $lfi In Og-d-n and lhal now this same brick sells, j here for $3L' a thousand The report of the- housing commit- tee disclosed there were about 16001 more families in Ogden In 19l'0 than In 1915 and that there was really a' I decided shortage of houses. A communication from the building trades council. Grant Sfyphers. presl-dent, presl-dent, iggested. that an open forum i , should he open to the members of the : I building trades council In view of their! importance m sin h a Ueslion as that1 ; of providing homes. The mayor said! i he was certain that anybody was welcome wel-come to enter the foriim with lnform.i-1 i tion. I'ltn.i.s INTRODUCED I Prior to the housing discussion, the I annual business meeting of the ejgdenl e hamber of commerce was held. Pres- ' Ident Wattls presided but turned the! meeting over to the new nrM.n BYnnk M Drlggs. The result of the election of directors direct-ors v as r. ad. The fifteen elected art-Tank art-Tank M Driggs. I. N. Pierce Charles i U frarton, James H. Douglas. H L Herrlngton. A IV Uigeb.w. James Brcnnan. J. 8. Lowis Fred M Nye Joseph Parker, Harry Shearman. ' The annual report of the chamber was read by Mr Btllwell The text of the report will be found in another place In this Issue. Mr. Wattls made a suppleinenturv report in which he gave virtual assurance assur-ance that Ogden would have another good hotel here soon, financed by ig-den ig-den citizens " b |