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Show : 'A. 'F4 SALT THE POLYGAMY. the ticles ON DISCUSSION three long After agreement. were completed, excepting and bad desired exceed length, on successive occupy him. the They They objected. of articles time. PARTICULARS. FURTHER •TERMS OF Doctor almost til made any sidered final that any sudden DECLINED. been unable comply to after brought. they or the to to will as a Young TO YOUNG SALT LAKE NEWMAN, DOCTOR T., Aug. 1870. 11, the to TAGGART TO DR. the copy of articles to especially which they had they But then LAKE J. Dear me to but thus in accepting I it aam not affirmative the them. They practise Bible sanctions desire the the M.,,in polygamy their and afternoon four at this date, the have more part, ted, where were met we reply to you, as at present Messrs. the time and had prepared to be pertinent cussed during conclusion, we the in of' in MESSRS. note of your we did in our place designa premises. These were variously dis of two hours, when, coming to 110 a session to meet the next day, at 10 o'clock. adjourned SUNDERLAND AND In preparing cach side press, n and the the AND the to be and the by to be formal decision the of an of account be the report, own as respective parties the part On Lake Salt the of part 12, Aug. on that Prof. Pratt ¼. Snow. Umpire Dr. that on his B. SUNDERLAND. NEWMAN'S SUNDAY Hall LAKE 11th, Aug. this 1870. YOUNG, AND of Prof. us, to our a and begun. It from he requested us to state in writing what negotia with tions had been pending, the result thereof, which ywe did. We have now received a letter from him in which he says the following: Divine half and was from quent throughout esting statistics Bible a three ities,) only seemed to have studious eepose of' Polygamy His and important contained regarding af was clo that hour, we met and upon gition was unwelcome to that it would necessarily city. We you upon being On but us, for therefore requested that point before first approached reason the much so protract among your Pre would with it. give of in B. J. the assent. final MESSRS dissent, expressed CARRINGTON AND YOUNG SUNDERLAND. P. TAGGART. you yielded, saying further reflection, to effect the "Bring the discussion if possible within the limits of four days; but if the other parties will not do this, then take their SUNUERLAND MESSRS TO advice, we speedily a reached LAKE CITY, 12, Aug ness conference adjourned to meet at p.m., when it agreed that waS should In be signed and pursuance of agreement, the designated, and, on correct promptly alone of the other party papers as his colleague . We then "Young not this ing the waited then time as for all to were ascertaining that the was not present. about one hour we took Mr. recessfor a not half a an change of sign the when Mr. hour. MESSRS. of already discussed and disposed of its subject other copy ing also, at SUNDERLAND to TAGGART AND which we them, Mesars. had their suggestion, signed, while Carrington line | we delivered the Consent Young. aud deliver to yon to the MESSRS. CARRINGTON of have We action AND which we so far as we know of affirm and to be a true statement MESSRS. TO MESSRS. in fourth rendered article necessary together by the with change acted AND througbout such follow tea you to out of of modifications time Respectfully, and the SALT LAKE TAGGANT, with I'. N as are etc., P. case CONDITIONS CITY, Aug. GART: 11th, and 1870. 1. and detailed discussion, Pratt and Dr. The sanction : able OF THE TAGGART. discussion TAG the myself. report ques You the Utah and agreed on J. I. Polygamy, make The purchasing if dollars they up their cral months past dizo and forty for fifty at have cash, in of so cents as they by dollar and it is to Polygamy." and Dr. 2. The Bible, undersigned the between Prof. for Orson the Pratt be discussed Prof. is, Pratt to Newman the negative. the and in original "Does take English Bible the the affirma tongues, shall that wisdom and which be the only. standard of authority in this debate, the you my most cordial thanks and to the gratitude of disputants, however, free being the public. to from If have quote any you failed (as it appears you have from the report) to induce or Messrs. sources of information. Carrington and Young, Mr. P'ratt's other works representatives, to fulfill their promise place for the 3. The holding discussion shall be the of signing the articles of agreement, the responsibility is not with yon but with them. Tabernacle. Permit me, however, to express my sense of disappointment at 4. be three There shall sessions on three the result, and at successive the course puraned by the other side in so cach session two But let days, to continue hours--that is, giv grave a matter. me once more reviow the facts: When it was denied that I had each one full hour been disputant session, the ing at every challengedthere is -and abundant proof that I bal been -I then challenged Brigham affirmative to the first have hour and the negative to Young, the head of the Mormon Church. I le declined. to then sent n letter to Orson Pratt, 'The first session be held live the last hour. on the reputed controversialist of the same Church, making Friday, at two o'clock p.m.; and August 12th, 1870, Brigham Young the bearer of letter. my Although no formal the second and third sessions at the same hour succes acceptance been received. jet A r. atives mol with sort draw up sively. 011 Saturday and Sunday, the 13th and 14th of urentitle New in million for it for is sev. in merchan very question preen month. no doubt. fact But that the that he more than and has he of a series of skill P'resident or the Al financial fail to required the sake have use on the planned had President out their consent for for destitute workmen etc., hare chance Utah Central Brigham Young did permission his fore far those a new money, ever upon the when the, him from rolling hand in fund: purpose to fumis take they ?' good, 73 1/' enterprise which without the belonged. It from it out of the back hand-. to help are cover again rule of the be t.o complications the absolute the their to needs people of consent have arisen. Utah Central. is the in fact, in out such -110 difficulties up and assist a coming Railroad, to arisen people called bound indebtedness, called called have was as leaving whom to and to-day Brigham's have persons No such meeting of' in the new a he the him business for when aid the sufficient that with money blue the money hare right money paid be Railroad, he have to mooting and obtained every man to whom money was due. be cent in any direction however commend of used to as of for like what benefit. scheme, our in speculation people's thousands it ob people that Railroad such to as protest the personal is inclined benefit rising due a no to a the their felt public take him business he the a Utah had to of of in again, say belong not built- -selfish to should we was people's of getting Supposing, it money, new Central have the of his to Con Utah we felt many so on in for Young bargained stock, Utah Supposing simply author Utah the of in them donate A railroad the P., Central. been to the this always of U. them, of that blessing we course upon beginning. the of difference thing. very tender us--for labor Utah same are proprietors which their the the by we purchase be to purchase little to doubtless is, the Central, but past the But make counselled in against. for Utah which priesthool. UTAI. IN •The one- man power is waning and soon will disappear, From Utah and her children is melting every fear, The day of light and freedom, behold it draweth near, dying For As throughout in was to all forwed was the be to for the matter itary. The idea important tained. bishop of Southern occurred the of any occasions was the we to trip for presided religious, and motion that ho, never and al mil ou enter everlasting while on which recently illustrates forcibly A as or presiding and which Utah. 1 Brigadier civil, them much struck circumstance over If digui church selected below or society bishops be passing profit president. stereotyped hear of a Springrille, at change be preposterous were of mercantile highest The one being things, to been. presi and offices must the has custom bishops a meetings, all This order even composed at course the highest If had taries in the county Generals, Colonels, etc. of the readers Territory, districts. their be brigade our to monopolize to honor this Utah." in known well is meeting caucus for policy--and as well as in reference to his past financial (a nomination was convened and, as usual, the Bishop his conduct as cruel first, consider and oppressive, many old in his the meaning gentleman before way) put good getting U. the R., work donate at tion reached the cars next mecting of the ured terms not who all certain that very nearly as I you tell against least a that has of God under it should If so and follow bones of Gladden with this thing have said it disobeys me brought about by the whom want all of to people means the at unmens which about. hell." is so But you vote by they was found were mon Chase of before and about forty receiving hell. What providence spirit, and is manner and the about then the the ago! take up such Strang, or called 'Godbeism,' my not worth counsels of talking will go to the such of' Trying thing that first on the the to was is in the event about called when Solo of thought aroused by the Movement, festing its influence thodox church. Thank of' the Morement are both It and God, the is and socicty of the Cod years useless, for of results the independent to is as with. two much everywhere progressing. oppouent,. in one which in only vexed a even however, and as in occurring is, possible. Bishop feelings or of majority proceeded unprecedented "Reformation," imagine putting was a to for call being Bishop meeting Utah then awakeuing The tranquilly was an by present--the the over there motion independent response votes. Such a state of things in indicates a radical change up the olected persons nomination dig replied insisted verbal be fifteen turned can was instead chair the upon rebels this motion Bishop every one upon their feet, standing for times is however the are or the and free preside; counter motionas a The and as Imagine city disregard indefinite blessed the who as motion, here. in it their 28 or that of' do you such for himself was carried. cusers of Springville can follow insignificant necessity you Bishop, here no Bishop, 2 take Solomon Chase, Bishop The tartly one, bishop. the was the when to, to We to of responded apostatize please, you ITis pay dissatisfac. but words, direction that in exact go the made policy. und be the and damnol will you his the feebly the this denounced from whoerer been of of meeting was the asking 011 payment, year Brigham," he his contracts portion report "Bro. have one in great The of of finally dissented we [have done be. prompt "School" measures and promise follows:-«I again my his of and with. themselves pay on upwards for performed, to virtually work the the under withholding in the to perform to men I'. R. | the and gentleman Christ the way souls dents be, a bought obey the see the great very tained. of peo Young, the to the half Jesus refusing t to Jesus A NEW THING deficiency by against have from been Brig million a speak into 80 -would of been on cents cents do President bonds at bonds donation a to these these of to to part that amount coul are the is from secmied it (judging people's people much as remaining any able were equiralent on known for Newman. question tivo by upon DEBATE. they releasing the Railroad twice the then fact, for is Central about is market--to the in point of in TAGGART, price The yester D. SUNDERLAND. Conditions AND of it, (the dread evidence of divine scheme the will obtained, is to all was such of proposal he, of such Elders repent administration after in "Twelve" of inspired the to him, no them to that Railroad its.own means The temporal of as We him affairs is bonds have from the people again which as Bro. his take best understand we bonds ple-even | well place. J.NO. SUNDERLAND. J.so. SUNDERLAND Gentlemen: I thank you for the very of your efforts to arrange for public a tion of polygamy, between Mr. Orson have but communication as the devise dollar- -which fetch then 14... NEWMAN do the the of believe. P. DOCTOR the Young, donations. 1870, tral, | unwilling of the talk of able. he a we not," there of their lamentable pust the to for day. Sl'e have able if the holders of U. C. R. R. bonds realize could inet at the office of Dr. Taggart. and it is now, by our time, ten o'clock and forty minutes. If you will to-day the latter even amount. come at once to meet us. we are ready to sign the articles of of dissatisfaction has been A great deal expressed by agreement with you which bad been unanimously adopted by on Wednesday afternoon. us but, of course, as now amended this the people regarding scheme of Brigham Young the written of ham YouNG. 12, in the the see That this all of that they will the appointed members him Jos. CrY, Aug several embarrassments. ALBERT CARRINGTON of he and and his dollars MESSRS. offer, prominent citizens--to CARRINGTON. TO to from will W. had he consideration on etc., LAKE to our in as of payment in other "School" the bitterly accept to and of Young embarrassed railroad meeting complained people other buy from YOUNG, nothing indicated ultimatum of Prof. Pratt. we took of those leave gentlemen and immediately proceeded to present with you the document and our verbal report. All arising YOUNG. SALT Gentlemen: after matter, o articles office, to agree of agreement, articles AND a the you at 10.30 the re upon each TO and etc. Dur as to our a brief consultation duty as your friends. we inform. ed Mosars. Carrington and Young that we had exhausted our of negotiation, present powers and that all that remained for do was 118 now to to report to our principal our endearors with their result. and to place in bis hands one of these copies of the meet to Respectfully, Young appeared. The articles were read in gentleman and all agreed that they wero correct. But instead of proceeding to sign them, Mr Young then produced a paper which be said we might regard as Prof. Pratt's. ultimatum, but as we considered, on our part, that we • Taggart's in Mr. presence had place, pleasure us Carrington did and afford in mutually points them. signed present and was appearing, undersigned will It Dr. modifications quisite this they upon, this delivered. present at the hour the documents were agreed Gentlemen: morning. place at 7 o'clock articles for the debate recent a have the his in the to people: duty to of of the rebelling gone church--that was P'res't. seriously is meet to mittee-consisting I same In to of property the which that appears it and place" with of yesterday to assenting to their proposition; after which, upon the sug gestion of Mr. Young, the length of each session was exten •Dr. Newman seems to think that advantage a have great ded to one hour and a half, instead of one hour us at first over him: now, if Dr. Newman will take the affirmative of the proposed. question, as proposed by him in May last, namely, "That All being then unanimously agreed upon, it only remained God's law condemns the union marriage of more than two to leave two perfect copies the stipulations persons," I will cheerfully of made and follow those imagin bim with all in full, signed one for each disputant; pending which, the ary disadrantages. by • "tight reported 1870. learn can debtedness. SUNDERLAND AND TAGGART, Gentlemen: We have submitted your note Prof. Pratt, and in his reply to us, he states: conclusion a means AND MESSRS. this in we all al much is too reference for has sees over the TROUBLE. IN is too is women and them Young." P'resident progress the consent Front TAGGART. SALT UTAH CENTRAL THE is on ultimatum." Acting on etc., consulting our you Respectfully, it 'resident," the to sincere pass subject. others stay privilege the the them persuade evidence and I and fifth evenings; and the first, third the negative the same time, on second, fourth sixth evenings. This propo that that in urgent as al vindication of truth I now accept their in session sec continued two hours of the sexes social condition in the various nations. ond ultimatum, but in thus accepting this their last pro to longer, then adjourning meet at 2 o'clock; at which hour posed condition I am not unconscious of its disadvantages. took a Deseret News exception to of the met for the third time, session holding which lasted till The some we It is as twenty -four to nothing. It gives Mr. Pratt twenty hours, During all these about 5:30 o'clock. we labored remarks on that was Doctor's occasion, but the subject four hours to prepare of his speeches, while I am re conditions carnestly to secure as nearly equal to both par we quired to follow him immediately. one which demanded plain and Yet language accept even against certainly ties as the nature of the case would permit." We frequently | these odds. true immense It is they offer the me same al the as submitted to modifications of our original think reverend gentleman treated it chaste and in propositions *vantage if I will assume the affirmative, but they know the suffered some of them to be abandoned altogether. At last a dignifird as the of the afirmative does not belong to and manner nature case would me but to them. They it appeared that we were approaching prac agreement on almost tise l'olygamy, and it is for them to prove that the Bible are state permit. unfeignedly to be able to but there was We pleased every necessary stipulation; one which rela I sanctions their practice. the desire discussion should ted to the manner of the division of the time to be respec that Newman no intention Doctor had whatever of ap | commence to-morrow at 2 o'clock p.m., in the New Taber tively occupied by the disputants, with the consequent ad nacle, and terminate on the has next Sunday word been the only afternoon at 4 0'- plying -which vantage or disadvantage to each of them, that Was a maiter clock, said discussion to be governed by the articles of of much perplexity on both sides. that has We on our part modified cause of offence the come to our earsoff. agreement, except the one relative to time, al in various which have our original proposition ways, changing first of in ready been proposed.' spring polygamous marriages general. in whether from three hours to two, and then from two to one, and en Gentlemen, recognizing the dissolution of our dearoring in the most frank and open manner to seek as fair conference ancient or modern times. but used it in refer simply as transpiring last evening, we have now to ask it as a division of the to disputant advantages each as the case | a froward favor personal to the rough and Ishmael, to you ence us whether will be the -and is sur would permit. At last, it was suggested bearers or by Messrs. Carring bearer (one or both of you) of the above message to Prof. prised that any should have taken it in a more extended as the ton and Young friends of Prof. that Pratt, there I'ratt. If so you can address us, in behalf of our principal, should be six evening sessions on as many successive days any communication which Prof. Pratt may wish to make sense. in the Old Tabernacle; the affirmative to speak for one hour, At 111- which members the of such numbers well of and which to get think inter and relative the the but Doctor lecture was it the what at hear for standpoint. Refornt is saying among person he opinion a spoke the he anything the in the people | asmuch as As power to. said soon having against and; the the in ortho in to men existing to mighty his standpoint monogamic the firmed, But very 11 of referred as To refer Ic then anything and and to deliver both here wisdom' assembled Institution. for way people, Young, who gentleman a talk about, the an but with lecture his true, is to of afternoon had excuse into he of only Sunday last name ures• is nonsense. Methodist -The audience distinguished hours -In on respectable as principal. To crowded Polygamy with accordance our promise when sepa you last evening. we presented the ultimatum Pratt, as contained in the written paper handed you Gentlemen: rating from was is or P. Judge JNO. P. TAGUART. NEWMAN. We -they see J. part. Godbe doctrine than "just were words eyes D. lawley.‹ C. would stream CARRINGTON. YouNG. W. the came obedient referred Judge certify hereby us designated TAGGART. part, ALBERT Newman I'. certify his position the it hereby undersigned, YouNG. was with Christ 1870. Umpire as has W. up he before it become Newman: Dr. Jos. the counter if labor er) Jos. undersigned, designated We, ful and J.NO. City, We, the has subjected Pratt: Professor of SUNDERTAND, B. publish no unless "that to itself. can about that refers. of break reported dissatistinction his choose Young weak is called them. Committee to by since that who denominated so We are informed that one prayer for but correct CARRISUTON, ALBERT by discussion liberty at his the closed umpires. On highly CITY, for to talk be himself us. to "thing to transpired insignificant speakers. shall of' and obedience for man known to ways no President doing is the the may it in powerless to system it more it enough be no somebody are for As aware ever eight words care such to such take but under frightened pity than If conditional attendance have Movement it can and children opened accepted inspection signed YOUNG. SALT body slang. to-day of other reporters debate; necessary debate publish organs ed report shall own MESSRS. CARRINGTON TO TAGGART dox state the know we | while speaking. ultimatums. P. Territory 1870. and Carrington on the Young Pratt. In order to the business, expedite we memoranda on such points as appeared to us of I'rof. part 11. the discussion to be excepting the one prepared. But if, of under said of them. to ism" own the excite utter and be admitted. be direction. at and session Each practice. o'clock: to the on in charge, close to to-morrow terminate labors part only taken. 10. them for the 110 Utah nor other might but enough debate. talk ago, shall made his Respectfully, that the following is substan verbal report of last evening, in our negotiations with tially what occurred Messrs. Car W. Young the rington and Joseph respecting proposed dis yourself. cussion between P'rof. Orson Pratt and of our appointment to conduct the matter In pursuance on your be in of not At the be en of kind few years discussion, the by the and approval the by at Corrections shall have Tabernacle age preside or of whatever. to take free of DR. undersigned, in pleasure to inform the belong it is New the NEWMAN. 11, S. The third reply. assistant shall furnished 9. dissent This chosen 3 parliamentary interrupted be disputant other years govern be decorum and progress cause subsequent Hach one any to and unitedly dignity misunderstanding assistant the articles of agreement, to time, relating which been have already in your judgment, the above acceptance is not justified by of truth and personal respect, I shall the interests abide your decision. should On the other hand, however, you present this acceptance to the representatives of Mr. Pratt, it should be distinctly understood that I will not consent to any fur Mr. Pratt's ther modifications nor receive from representa any the previously not should commence Tabernacle, and discussion r. does for or 7. unconscious nothing. It as is know that prove I YOUNG. Aug. ments the one Newman, shall its disputant either shall par three during speaking, rejected they two o'clock next Sunday governed by NEWMAN: P. -We Sir CITY, C. offered J. SALT each umpires, Dr. preserve permitted of three by the and 5 rules which the usual No manifestation of force which articles, It tives ANd a the its to Respectfully, SUNDERLAND furnish to time; but appoint. BRIGIIAM but mative, Messrs. Sunderland, Taggart, Carrington, and failed to agree upon having upon the conditions between yourself and which a debate should be conducted Prof. Pratt, I take pleasure in again tendering to you the use of either of the Tabernacles in the city, in which to de or as you liver one more lectures, the may choose, upon of wives, subject of plurality commonly termed Polygamy, of to be such each lecture length as you may please, to be at such delivered in the day-time as you hour or hours may REY. hours. disadvantages. to gives Mr. Pratt twenty-four hours to prepare each of his speeches, while I am required to follow him immediately. Yet I accept even against these immense It odds. is afir they offer me the same advantage if I will assume the NEWMAN. U. CITY, done ultimatum an me the ultimatum. itself. explain Sir: To two be one discussion, to their own ultimatum you through another ulti matum which was that the speakers should occupy one hour each, in immediate alternation, on the same day.. For the vindication of truth, I now accept their second aD. matter [ sent Pratt refused to sign promised to do, and consider President of since passed con Young MESSRS. bour. time to allotted and have the same signed by the representatives of the While the copying respective disputants. was being done, the committec took a recess, at the expiration of which only Mr. Carrington was present with you. Another recess took place on account of the absence of Mr. Young, after which But those who the four representatives met. represented Mr. un one upon, accept to correspondence PRESIDENT DR. J. P. consented to one days Pratt, these two, ty, with offer, might agreed This has of terms proposed, were The which the representatives of REv. but be to for party being already they settle disposition a opposite proposition. others and the close. the entitled in the had further alternate reduced be to hours learn, both ultimatum nounced speaker the on I three shall There Prof. by terms second a follected. each to 5.. to to From all we can Newman evinced debate. days, not relating parties extra. been .have sessions TRIBUNE. sessions, one It. will has taken which Friday's THEN AND UPON ed, article this Following correspondence between Yourg four tedious the They again object provided for six sessions: that affirmative should occupy ore hour on of the we present the balance the first, third. aud fifth the evenings; and tbat negative the fourth same time on the second, and Doctor Newman and P'resident should occupy their sixth evenings. I accepted as ultimatum and eup the place since of issue our posed the as Mr. Pratt's arrangements representa efforts conditions. tires had agreed to all be seen that laborious Nothing remained AGREED DEBATE THE I LAKE out the 110 feeling lay of mani the or influences |
