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LAKE GENERAL EDITOR EDITOR MANAGING Orson capable of the correct While all and that this BRIGHAM YOUNC & NEWMAN. •DR. • Pratt's THE DISCUSSION we As all tile and Mormon or polygamy not believe can be determined one men of by the .15 be settled only by an to most this to Telegraph tion, "Does hereby to debate you you that person through May no that evening an one for simple fact, logical manner, of out the tory been man delivered hundred his Tabernacle, arguments his conduct there on lor not be intended with the hope the above, part least thic before this Newman publish date. herewith in not have in the that only The man which we publish our enable to readers to of judge themselves. for NEWMAN PRESIDENT -In BRIGHAN acceptance Salt given challenge the the Daily Telegraph of "Does question, the Bible the Lake said upon for convenience, and ience, 3d discussion; and either yourself that by I of least at not later than 3 May last, to or two o'clock our mu gentle to-day. etc., YOUNG TO NEYMAN. DOCTOR LAKE SALT DR. REv. U. CITY, T. Aug. 1870. 0, NEWMAN: P. J. of even date has just been received, in -Yours ans wer to which I have to inform you that no challenge was the columns of the ever given by me to any person through I and this is the first information Salt Lake Daily Telegraph, that any such have received challenge ever with regard You have been misiuformed on journal. my Daily Telegraph; of Chicago, by Dr. Fuller who edited not acquainted our church anl I was to was not with its Sult Lake owned and the was member a SALT issue. the oll the of President CITY, although that, is say Telegraph the of importance say would therefore, Young's which it by Doctor him. a attach P'ossibly blowing. did little a wiggling on its course, not to Doctor was, the first we considered it man did not apply directly whether endorsed and sion never own trusting by that for fact the Young such to dodged in New Telegraph the substantial which Young preceded Scripturist for to wra his for reason News the years en stand a The shrewd Brigham Young never anything likely in should hare The sermon nacle in this city. with and then Elder Orson he whole lie failure, fortunate thus is If and delivered been ten say done that the in disclaiming after the discussion to-day, YOUNG TO DOCTOR I which the in city compliance Saints, -day journals of view that of the fact to have you inform lic TO LAKE PRESIDENT YOUNG. CITY, 0, Aug. 1870. discussion on in view of the defiant tonc of your and this and in evening morning; have been here now four days waiting willingness of your to meet me in pub and last I me the question, above but such intimation up to this time of writing, here and now challenge you to meet me debate, public in do personal and I respectfully question. aforesaid the on no having received therefore, I Rev. suggest that you appoint two gentlemen to meet Sunderland and Dr. J. P. Taggart, who represent me, make all necessary arrangements for the discussion. Be kind enough favor to with me immediate an Dr. to reply. Respectfully, NEWMAN. Residence NEWMAN. LAKE CITY, U. with our Sir: -In accordance clergymen of every denomination usual of custom through SALT REv. Rev. of T., 6, Aug 1870 Mr. NEWMAN. l'eirce. our city, worship, of the you New use Taber which you could distort the article in question be to challenge a could) J. assertion, have adopted as a if that question in as the had you as Telegraph discreditable chosen your yourself construe to me, from I -Pardon Sir: then and said my ungentlemanly of the place this and the in the author of he is perfectly capable of defending it, willing to you will find him equally Orson Pratt, whose name, it appears, is do So: the only or one would' be You io ed that article. the Sloan Mr. the is and confident he bundreds our of am I would the bave I take as you, respectability Will cusing sanction Church the of that not conclude no doubt Professor me of disclaiming they this distortion declining and not consider elders, of that auy otber or our of the truth challenge, a and paltry a it ac in which I the in sinister insignificant any whom of scriptural will discuss DOCTOR with MESSRS. To you know to not surprise will public be, NEWMAN BRIGIAM reply willing PRESIDENT LAKE Aug. 'Does the Young, as with the an extra moment. I. WICKIZER. OTHERS, hold Bible this of date, 1870. requesting to oon the and now, Polygamy?" with Mr. Mormon church, I have to sanction the of 0, Aug. here debate a chief CITY, express for which I was the purpose came from my first note to him. The correspond on ence between him and myself has, however, developed, his part, such a line of conduct that I had fully determined to have nothing more to do with him. But as I came here the with question him, regarding in full faith to debate my to escape self as the challenged party, and as he endeavors state here, that this by denial appears as a that he has ever challenged me, will I put the by sending beyond dispute him a challenge., shall It shall be done immediately, and a copy of you speak. be furnished for the extru of which natter now Very Respectfully, etc. J. P. NEWMAN. PRESIDENT YOUNG ACCEPTS enclosure, by Black. Mr. reply, was of to bauded to CHALLENGE. THE LAKE communication -Your panying CITY. 9 1870. August, with accom lay's date, since me a few moments will say that I accept the challenge to debate P'rofeg Polygamy?" question "Does the Bible sanction for sor Orson I'ratt or Hon. John Taylor acting me as my discussion. I will representative, and in my stead in the the place of holding the meetings, and two furnish appoint and to you to meet Messrs. Sunderland Taggart, whom men ar refer as your representatives, to make the necessarry In [ the YOUNG, for you impossible that LAKE AND SALT 1870. 8, in possible CITIZENS. SALT REV. J. I'. NEWMAN, YOUNG. CITY, do, to Respectfully, P. TAGGART. JNo. TO yours to to YoUse. me. however, truth, the In am Brigham on morning, -Your last note, deliverel to me on Sunday which, of course. I would not on that day reply, does Sir: NEWMAN Respectfully. TO seek earliest Very TAGGART P. question Sir: and J. I if doctrine. BRIGHAM PRESIDENT will the GEO. R. MAXWELL. G. D OVERTON. J. F. WOODMAN. Gentlemen: to part, to gain notoriety. regardless of the on your This you truth? may succeed in obtaining; but I am free to notoriety will find such opinion. that you confess. as my too, as it more unenviable than profitable, and as disgraceful, is unworthy of your profession. doctrine of think you are capable of If you proving the tarry here as a missionary; •Plurality of Wives" unscriptural, place, the congregation, and wll furnish you the suitable plenty at .J. suggest willing unfair and ungentlemanly never even contemplated, is with invented some and must have been extreme we we as so, if consider would I they Will in ex elders, fitness whose beyond question. I will ask, what must be the opinion of every In conclusion, who views the facts as they appear? candid, reflecting mind. meet and 1870. with Polygamy?" Brigham Young, as the chief of Saints, and to debate now and Latter-day desire to know directly here, we from whether such ig that we the fact and we would respectfully request a reply, be able to set the matter in its true light by publishing may Bible would article; 0th, liberty hereby judgment, in Aug. which we the undersigned you in ref addressing to the object of your present visit. erence Having seen in and in the Ilerald of this the News of last evening morning, an attempt to make the impression upon the public that you unwilling the the are, after all, to debate question "Does Dear citizens the "could organ [my] insinuation, an is to not challenge A challenge," say CITY, LAKE NEWMAN, P. charges. false your article 1870. 6, REv. NEWMAN. DOCTOR SALT tendering passing seen you TO CITIZEN3 NEWMAN; DR. the opportunity of preaching in our tabernacles tendering an invitation I sent you, this afternoon, or the of the small Tabernacle in the morniog, or both, at your pleasure, nacle in the afternoon, To Aug. in the some or N. full conceal from to knowledge of the being my pre rangements. prominent influence in Mormon, their our and 'puts some other behind him. If credit of as in good order," smiled at the we idea Dr. Orson President Young takes of his Newman. in inspiring the knew who not head. while honors discussing We be the and Brigham with caught is per If the only a classical a job simply a un thrash Young perceived prospective,-not could the claim to for because napping, had but been thus such, as as myself I may here in had country, columns no alternative that add Utah. anticipate of the country. It not 1 discussion that in that of A chal the E Tale but to 80 informed that an challenge bad been ain a Under this impression this, baring myself both spoken the to the found& I I accepted. to were the tho througbout through I cited, above given it. accept prevailed and day said article impression the of the of graph and, regard and impression pers works enabled lenge Insions being case | tion that place. by discover to who it that is has resorted "sub to Elder Sloan, Your intimation that of other elders, would be Mormon Prof. Pratt, or hundreds with me from a willing to discuss the question of Polygamy I that your suggestion Bible standpoint, and impertinent I for that purpose, here as a missionary am compel tarry led to regard as cheap and safe attempts to avoid the ap it to sure public terfuge" Taber listen to Y. argument New the Mormons thousand I'ratt, report Telegraph. given a transaction "retreat he such fail. invariably subordinate like to poor learning," dignity his can Hence, Brother he risks ONL very a donbtful a in the ing. scholar to PRESIDENT discourses as far as possible, power. if any is needed, to secure and we are biggest halls crowded congregations. will be given them to con satisfied that erery opportunity on duct a campaign. We base this last remark statement 3 Geo. week n the Tabernacle. by President made last Sunday halls throughout the Territory have Smith. that the public A. clergymen of otber denomina been and would be open for the in expressions that idea discussion a "book caught foreground, the successful, the him, upon into he to into by discus the education By uncorrupted and moment, one question. too son bare J.P. in use every them the were an proposed this drawn be could theological seen I have preach to I in this affair. the otber side and the people bearing on should bave had by to Newman, by his very pearance of shrinking from such discussion seeming Dr. been allowed to decide. it the invite after it had, by your of question. own action, been rendered im recogaizes the religious clement sermon, yourself, of peaceful you As to the speak of, including Let a3 bare 3. fair, contest argument possible. their notices let the best side win. We will and ready to meet me in public debate, I have to say that From Dr. Brigham of the But this. regretted to of Mormon that was lay of know one which entertained, Brigham thrust received NEWMAN. P. BRIGHAM YOUNG, PRESIDENT 1. straws occasion however, that rumor far just SALT con * Come 03 and tiong coming to Utah to preach. of to discuss the ques. influences of instead the Bible to all Christendom vert them by the peaceful ing challenge | them by reason using the means proposed. Conrince now had sent grounds been tion of Polygamy or scriptural Scriptural argumeut and no Cullom Bill will be required." Priesthood. orthodox the above exprosaion5 the of the article containing by leaders 2. 1 understand cite out Sloan, of Mormon Church, and at written by Elder acquainted the are with was who Telegroph; that' be and We, of Mormondom, edi.or of the WAS that time associate talk intercourse The with yourself. workings of things in this region, during all the and has since been in coustant is note P. Latter Church Respectfully, YOUNG. expressions, alluding to my sermon as reported in a lengthened Herald, it says: Was •The discourse to prove that the Bible does not sustain P'olygamy. im account. one had, and instead him, and be to sentiments the by course, of had Now little this on that certain portance to its utterances, as one of those way the big wind which showed which WAS or that anything to right Utah as unapprobated a ques in in rule Prest. to true is understood well equally is it it time the at interest or no yet had, any etc., with you or your peacable, sent in your city for the purpose of debating I wish the discussion to be conducted in a mild, the question of Polygamy, you declined to representative that the people light | quiet spirit, may receive and intelli and at the contents of your for such discussion; Sir: -I confess my disappointment into any arrangements enter a then let the and congregation gence and all be benefited; felt at liberty to to of this date. In the far East it is im this fact was ascertained, I comply in reply mine after note for themselves. decide relations parties, to distinguish the local between yourself with a subsequent from other which had possible request Respectfully, which advocate the interests of your Churcb; been fully arranged before the reception of your note of in • those papers BRIGHAM YOUNG. the article of Telegraph containing the and when the copy of in your ritation to preach Tabernacles. the only construc Washington, say that regard your professed courtesy, the 3rd of May last reached I must frankly was that it was a challenge to tion put upon it by my friends TO DOCTOR NEWMAN. mere device PRESIDENT YOUNG as it was, a extended under the circumstances, discuss the Bible doctrine of unwillingness to have a fair dis if possible, your me to come to your city and to cover, Polygamy. the of your CITY, Aug. 0th, 1870 hearing cussion of the matter in question in lad I chosen to put a different construction on that article, people. REV. J. J'. NEWMAN, further notice of it, you could then have and take no Messrs. A. 'Carrington and Jog• to the dis Sir: -I have appointed Your comments upon disclaiming and declining a the Telegraph as your organ and the said article a3 and while, in Young to meet with Taggart, to of the disclaimer; Messrs. Sunderland are simply a reiteration cussion'1 W. not or not challenge. which I either could dared accept. arrange preliminaries for the discussion. regard to your notice of my construction of the article in is clear from the fol That I am justified in this construction Respectfully, the Telegraph of May last, I have only to leave the represent lowing facts: to of a candid BRIGHAN YOUNG. you seen fit to the ations have make judgment contains articie the Telegraph, of May 3rd, these To supposition LAKE your other to speak here to hold, arrangements which will preclude my accepted by me, your invitation. It Tay 8 o'clock, came were as 1870. G, of PRESIDENT YOUNG. TO Aug. YOUNG, columns. BRIGIIAM DOCTOR NEWSIAN BRIGUAM DOCTOR Respectfully, to CITY, appeared. but to LAKE of YOUNG. PRESIDENT TO you motive? attempt, NEWMAN. P. immediately. you of it and forces the conclusion that the author treme, use of such a subterfuge himself. not scruple to make jour for by from declining, very your suggest Respectfully, but offer from 1870. C, in verbiage Sir; -In view of the enclosed communication, received from several citizens of this place, asking whether I am the ready now and here to debate the question "Does Bible sanction Polygamy?" with you, as the Chief of the Church YoUNG. I YOUNG; of Respectfully, and article Aug. of amount YOUNG, BRIGHAD MR. do not believe you conscientiously from me, (which whole correspondence, whether I the was it not the duty of a gentleman of the TRIBUNE to be issued challenge before your was responsible for the so-called as• a certainly, before such thing ? and so of much more sumption YOUNG. CITY, LAKE any CHALLENGE NEWMAN'S SALT ? CHALLENGED PRESIDENT TO DOCTOR proper to decline. and declining the dis You charge me with "disclaiming I ask you, sir, which you came here to hold. what cussion" me with declining a challenge which right hare you to charge the from me, I never gave you, or, to assume as a challenge editor Admitting of any unauthorized Dewspaper writing NEWMAN. DOCTOR BY by our To to have DIRECTLY YOUNG generally employ. Doctor the studied correspondence, will full, to J. P. up as you if address -In reply Tabernacle he them, far which proposition emanating made two gentle meet whom you shall designate, you may all neces whom I will select for the purpose of making as little delay wlth sary arrangements for the debate, a9 earliest conven possible. May I hope for a reply at your in all. News construe were men men that John the meet know so hear to Sir: with would we facts, the situation President this Newman's to have believe to tirely. present tual insulting to in strictures to then was, journal he are agreed the so led Ion. or discus Sir: President's Doctor paper,as subservient cle; not hope PRESIDENT To country I we elsewhere, know of organ--for P'ratt challeuge a as all possessed the been few notoriety that the misled. PRESIDENT 3: at discuss gaining also intimation lIence, who all were New Doctor furthermore the we the of right a tion, straw aiso but il grand al excuse--has possible Orson to reference sayings ism refuse. vic and Church representatives, the man to likely of himself least be capital himself, learn we through reason be the would sanction Polygamy?" that I am now you ready to bold I have hereby to inform a debate public as the head of the Mormon Church upon the above question, under such regulations as may be this hide to of the of unreasonableness 110 to never Prof. Young, without a intervened Coustant references debate. in subject the to nal, discuss of and thousands the heard; with Telegraph Doctor Brigham that suppose the set of of : hall small there went Doctor had though because before of from he to SALT the be amount vast as a together With that in which, his as sion, To Doctor unfair that arguing challenge debate question of not not Young, a he the was direct he the Sir: declining usual starting DOCTOR of of advantage its first J. instead writing Since in make to might that came to Utah cheap terms. Vows lecture that sinuating Taking the has to us will of have any New the the to since public Utah pleasure SALT Your afternoon that hour at flourished and people, not that the report discussion period PRESIDENT Satur Doctor by the would man any verbal a Daily on the made With a be DOCTOR NEWMAN that Tabernacles, to him, all the to disclaimer been offer. gained, for Young necessity of sought affair, had both other had Deseret the the could led Young's President of previous the which which use the arrangements and Late subject. I making columns him. President on counting Sunday the aside, by him its in the before S. I'. the choose of J. reading the following during 2. on Luke by by may 13, Respectfully, and discus written this to 1870. G, BRIGHAM Church." by Salt the importance Aug. evening. the Cannon, Elder will -It CITY, LAKE or you AUG. NEWMAN, P. J. • CORRESPONDENCE. have hold Young, given proposition and made was but, ever was by allowed, the ques to Mormon the Newman At Daily I ready before The the the discuss now of the of Lake Salt to of was of morning the President, for offer President addressed President by unauthorized day man; "Head the with Doctor read spirit. a These press, May, Orson similar in have pur of that play. avowed Polygamy," am columns the and last, I challenge was service, that the as the Sanction declined ground Telegraph. May fair Gth the Sir: reasons from Telegruph. DR. tory small congregation to morrow morning, the 7th inst., in in the prefer it, New Tabernacle, at or, sbould you and Tabernacle at two p.m., same 'instant, or both morning be to the suppose Newman appear acceptance "in journal, of informi was 3d 3rd Bible offer that. the to would facts Utah polygamy of be Newman the and morning your the with This Mastern stating the of the subject in given of with last to and Doctor aware, any platform side, representatives are following him challenge either of we the our being Friday by the the On note a on heralded Young. the as city discussing of favor in readers our This nature. on or question simply long pose, Bible appeal right the marriage of in to Conference met polygamy of the the case arrived that believe we are not prejudiced in understood impropriety or reference women's and views all. is (ten Our to well is by We can which It propriety the book. fair cqually known. are do other TRIBUNE the paper--equally uncontrolled this SALT Doctor right a DOCTOR NEWMAN. TO YOUNG were debate of on Newman Doctor had in assembled gave we initiated, the met Doctor sermon on a demonstrated, already have independent with distance statements there Young POLYGAMY, sion ON to a Conference, to that seen : PRESIDENT Mormondom in REV. be the last reply Prest. be will true at would of thousands was others he very It man only surmisinge. independent the the is task. our in Newman lieve Pratt TRIBUNE. LAKE SALT I several have of acted and from seen al prominent pa here with I came it was it possible rudely to something reduce like being on these listinct a but expectation, definitely tested. Were of suggestions yours vague for a debate, there proposition still action, so nothing in your sincerity, but, on the contrary, distrust and understanding that dispelled, far, to assure everything to of ine cause PRESIDENT TO SALT Mr. To Sir: or BRIGHAM challenged you to "You have -I John the CITY, LAKE Aug. 1870. !, and not Orson I'ratt with debate persoually understand this tact, whatever discuasion a declined Taylor. Let me. YOUNG. YOUNG, distinctly public to for an declining. Jere your reasons Pratt is if Orson However, I might reasonably rest the case. the question, "Does of the prepared to take the may have been sanction Bible and Messrs. Polygamy," Sunderland to tive, is Carrington and Young Tougart make the your me NEWMAN DOCTOR to to and night necessary to it. insinuated remark. You have I have one more point of I "notoriety." can assure that my motive is a thirst for give by such a motive you you that if had been animated I would by that sense eupposing for goed sinall credit am I P'RESIDENT YOUNG at o'clock 8 at the take prepared to Taggart will nega• Mesara. meet office of the Mr. arrangements. Respectfully, etc.. J. P. NEwMAN. TO DOCTOR NEWMAN. J | me employ you such the are Neither means. head, you. afford could nor me any the system "notoriety" which of to be SALT REv. de DR. But, to personal show far how by I let the aspirations, have been governed of the simple history merely case be that re You send your Representatives Delegate to Congress who, in the louse of at Taggart to P. LAKE CITY, U. T., Aug. 10, 1870. NEWMAN: and Sir: sired. J. the Young Messrs. Carrington I am informed lastby evening and Drs. with Sunderland their meeting they were wording unable the to subject come of to n decision with regard debate. That you following facts: Firstly, Secondly, That in n serinon de before Washington, President in the city of you his Cubinct, Members of Congress and many other law to prove that God's gentlemen, you assumed Bearing in mind are the challenging the party. whole hearing of the Na• livered by subject of Poly upon the Grant and Being Chaplain of the Amer gamy as treated in the Bible. public prominent by several Senate, and having been consulted icon persons, of more than two the union in marriage The condemns men, I deemed it my duty to preach upon the subject. should that representatives certainly seems your thus it strange in the York and on was published New Herald. discourse discussed, any other question an article refuse to. have published persistently renching your city one of your Elders throws tion, and down the in sight and gauntlet sanction It ap Polygamy?" as a challenge to debate than the one "Docs the Bible construed to me my arrival in your city last evening, is gencrally which that if Dr. 'New of Mr. Pratt the representatives that I learned the fact that ap to impression, some you -should pears one whom 111 pursuance question with you. or "God's that this the Acting upon same Elder Sloan, in the issue of the Salt Luke Herald, of point, here in your Tabernacle. presump man could undertake to prove in Washington disabuse than two per time to the public the union in of more to marriage city, tion, visit your taking the earliest opportunity law condemns Aug. 3rd, attempts for the first the same affirmation Still acting faith to prevalent. in good not to refuse make idea so generally he ought the as the of the Mormon of pur. sons." of inform you, lead Church, my the I entertains Mr. Pratt, discover, and knowing that you had never denied or recalled the cha! cases. Tou in Salt Lake City, pose and suggesting the steps usual in such fall, I informed to of in rather the discussion 3rd of May, you my opinion, but than permit. presence lenge of tho but hint same ignoring the whole subject, without a then reply, will ac original proposition, but your city and of the object of my visit here. in the Tabernacle. he will not press for your of "pleasure" about my preaching your your reply will sorre the the Bible sanc note this morning with to put stale it, "Does question pre the n9 you now My cept other arrangements were made which Subsequently its light and dispel the im the public in true matter before tion P'olygamy?" invitation speak in your places any to cluded my accepting in ull parts of the country, that such a forming the pression of very many trust that none of the gentlemen sunset I ro: sincerely The day passed away, and after of worship. would be with challenge bad been giren and that such a discussion the unnecessary will en cumber discussion invitation, will committec ceived your note of my reply to which anS held. to both parties and, unwhich will be irksome regulations, And this you intimate is an attempt on my wer for itself. fully my share of the in Feeling that I have now discharged will be thrown arid that no obstacles of good, to obtain an notoriety." productive "unenviable part for me to subscribe responsibility in the case, it only remains fair discussion. a free and of of having representations the -make what way Sir, I have done with you n yself as before, Respectfully, succeed in It spectfully, proper, you will not the matter you may think this TerriBmiGman Youse. people either of J. P. the discriminating misleading NEWMAN 3. was till of after this I - . |
