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Show The DESERET SAMPLER, Fri., Sept. 12, 1969 Col. Hodges New. Secretary Laird More than 50 college students chosen to participate in the Presidents Executive Intern Program met with Secretary of Defense Melvin R. Laird July 28 to learn alxwt the defense establishment. The Summer Interns, who received top ratinp in the Civill Service examination and are temporary employees with the Gov-- , eminent, quizzed Secretary Laird on the budget, draft, research and development, and world affairs. In his remarks the secretary of defense noted that there are 3.5 million men in the Armed Services, and 1.5 million civilian employees throughout the Defense Department. Following are some questions and answers from the meetthe Summer Interns and Secretary Laird: between ing Q Mr. Secretary, the Defense Department said that because of the Vietnamese war a lot rtf money that would have gone into research and development is now going into war and that we are behind in research and development. When the war is over with and the amount of money spent on the war is decreased substantially, do you think that the condition of this country internally will permit a great amount of money to be spent on research and development (or defense? A Id like to say yes, but I dont believe that that would be the proper answer factually as far as research and development is concerned. I look for a period of the next 24 months for research and dedevelopment programs to be in real jeopardy. Not only as far as fense is concerned but as far as the National Science Foundation, all of the rethe Department of Health, Education, and Welfare search programs are in for some trouble at this time. I am sure you are familiar with the fact that the Congress has already cut the research and development budget for the National Science Foundation by a very substantial amount. The budget for the National Science Foundation was $500 million, and it was reduced to $420 million. The budget of the National Institute of Health, which gives the basic research and development money for our college camrepuses, particularly our medical schools, has been substantially duced. The budget of the Department of Defense has been reduced in the research and development area, particularly as it applies to basic research that is carried on by our universities and our colleges. Its in the basic research areas where we are having the greatest reductions made at the present time. , I think this is a very grave error, a bad mistake. I think we should be putting more money into the basic research areas, whether it be in the Defense budget, the HEW budget, the National Science budget or the AEC budget, because there are so many things that can lie learned from this kind of research and development supported by our Federal Government. We have a manpower shortage, a shortage of technicians, a a real shortage in this area as compared shortage of scientists with the Soviet Union, and as compared with the Chinese. A much greater emphasis is being given to these research areas in those two countries. So I would like to say yes that we would be going up in our support of research and development activities, particularly in the basic research areas. But I would say that whats happening right now, is that a kind of coalition has come together here, of people who want to reduce budgets and people who feel that things are out of hand on the college campuses and one way to show the displeasure of the Congress is to reduce this kind of support as far as higher education is concerned. I personally believe that it is a mistake. Id like to say, Yes, we would be increasing those areas, but I don't believe as a practical matter that in the research and development area we will lie making large increases. Q With '30 million Americans suffering from malnutri-- v tion, do you really think more money should be funneled into research and development in the Defense Department instead of increasing food stamp allowances and things like thin , A I would just like to say that in die question of priorities in this federal system of ours, the No. 1 priority of the national government in this system of ours must be the national security of die United States, and die safety of our people. Now, we have this federal system devised with local government, with state government, and with our national government. And, under our Constitution, I am sure that this constitutional charge of defense and foreign policy being in the hands of the national government can never be minimized. I believe that we can go forward as far as our welfare programs are concerned. As you know, I was an advocate of the negative income tax and I was die advocate bill ever of revenue sharing. I introduced the first revenue-sharin- g introduced in the Congress, as I am sure you are aware, in 1957. I would like to move forward with revenue- - sharing to help in these welfare programs; Id like to move forward with a more Explains Budget, R&D, positive welfare program that put the incentive on work, rather than on handouts; and I would rather see these programs develop. And I Security Council to make this thorough and complete review. I would like to point out that there hasnt been a review made thought the negative income tax moved in that direction. I thought by the Executive Branch of our government of chemical or biologi-c- ul that the revenue during moved in that direction, giving the States warfare since 1959. 1 think this is one of the most significant acand the local communities a better opportunity to face up to these tions that Ive taken, to make this complete review, bringing in the State Department, the Arms Control Agency, and the other imporvery complex welfare problems. tant agencies of our national government through the National Knowing foil well what the Soviet Union is doing at the present time, I am sure that you are aware of their increased emphasis Security Council function, to study this whole area. I am not prein offensive and defensive strategic weapons, their tremendous judging that study, but I did want to fill you in a little bit on the hisconventional warfare buildup, I would hope that we can be successtory of the use of these gases, because many people fail to realize that ful with arms limitations talks. But, until we are, I am not going to in this century, in the use of these gases, we've had three very signifiIre in the position, as Secretary of Defense, of saying that the national cant uses. It so happened that each time they were used foe other security of this country and our defense program should not be mainside did not have the capability. I think that that may have encouragtained. This is the highest priority as far as the national government ed or lent some credibility to the recommendation of the military is concerned in our federal system. commander who was making that recommendation to his governQ Mr. Secretary, recently there has been some difficulty in ment for the use of that kind of a weapon. the Defense Department in the deployment of chemical weapons and But I think that this review is a significant review and one in Utah, Okinawa, as near which I am nerve gas. There have been incidents very pleased is going forward. which have aroused some public discomfort and as Baltimore Q The North Vietnamese penetration of Laos has increasanger. I was wondering whether you foresee a mqor policy change ed, or at least foe government there has become much more conin foe use and deployment of chemical weapons in the Defense Decerned and also Thailand has become more concerned. Can you partment. Do you think it would be possible within the next five tell us what you feel is going to happen and if the penetration conyears or so to actually do away with the chemical development and tinues what the U.S. will have to do if it continues to increase and research programs within the Defense Department? the government is put in jeopardy? A First, I want you to know that one of my first acts was to A Of course, there is the significant presence of North Vietrequest that the National Security Council make a complete and namese forces in Laos, and there has been for some time. These North thorough review of chemical and biological warfare activities carVietnamese forces probably are capable of moving at any time ried on by our government. I made a request that the National Sethey wish to.almost overrun foe territory of Laos. During foe hut few curity Council make such a study, and it was ordered by the President years they have concentrated primarily on foe infiltration routes, of the United States. which are located on the eastern borders of Laos, because they were In addition to that, we have established two scientific comusing Laos as a means of supplying logistically the Viet Cong and mittees to look into the transportation of chemical warfare materials the forces of the North Vietnamese in Vietnam. and to look into the safety of the research thats going on in this particuIt is true that there has been a significant increase in the aclar area. tivity of the North Vietnamese forces in Laos during foe last few I would like to say that we could do away with the developweeks. I personally think that this is a matter that has to be handled ment and research in this area. But I cannot say that and it would not through diplomatic means at foe present time. I believe that there be fair to the American people or fair to our Allies throughout the has to he greater urgency evidenced on foe part of the Soviet Union world if we were just to do away with that program. and Great Britain, who were parties to the Laos Accords of 1962. I think you have to understand foe history of chemical warI believe that only in this way can we save the situation in Laos fare, and it might be well for us just to review that briefly. There from getting worse. I believe that foe signatory powers of the 1962 have been three significant occasions when gases have been used Accords, must liring their influence to bear in this situation. I don't by various nations in this world. think we have done a good enough job in putting foe Soviet Union on Of course, the first occasion was in World War I, at foe time the defensive. They are talking about a security pact and security the Germans used it in World War I. The next occasion was when activities in that area of the world and I think here is a place where the Italians used it in Ethiopia And the next occasion was when the they can prove their influence and prove their concern, right here Egyptians used it in Yemen. in Laos. Because, after all, they were a part of the 1962 agreement Now on all three of those occasions, it so happens that the Q What do you think of the national substitute service? A I believe that we should work in foe direction of giving other side did not have a deterrent capability and did not have a gas available to use. Whenever both aides have had possession of this recognition for service. Now this is something that the volunteer kind of a weapon it has never been used. We do not have the capability force study headed by Chairman Cates is studying at the present of the Soviet Union in this area. They have much greater stocks than time, and this all goes into the whole area of moving in the direction of volunteer forces whether they be military forces or in other are possessed by foe United States. But it is very important, if we are areas. This report is currently an going to see that it is not used at any time, for us to have foe capability report. I am not trying to of using it. This deterrent is important if we want to see that these it, but I am sure that they will have recommendations are never used in our time. along that line. I hope you dont get that confused with this very gas these particular weapons So I think it is important for us to look at the history of foe important amendment to Selective Service which I hope can lie use of military gases. As much as we deplore this kind of a weapon, put through now and not wait for the report of the Volunteer Comif we want to make sure that it is never used, there should be one mission. And not wait until the draft law actually does expire. lesson that weve learned from history and that is to have the capability ourselves. This capability should lie understood clearly that we will never use it first, but we will only use it as a deterrent, should some other nation lie foolish enough to do it I believe that this will prevent the use of this kind of a weapon in foe future. I think it is most important for us in the Department of Defense and for this country to see that this kind of a weapon is never used. Q You mentioned that foe need for foe CBW research and Lieutenant Colonel Eugene cal University of North Carolina. development is as a deterrent. But why do you need an identical C. Chandler of New Rochelle, N. He served with infantry units weapon to deter? In other words, why do we need chemical and Y., has lieen appointed Equal in Japan and Korea from 1952 particularly biological weapons to deter against the use of a weapon against us? Why dont we deter with a large nuclear stockpile Opportunity Offi- - til 1954 when he was ordered to and even a conventional capability? I can see the need for developcer, by the U.S. Army Test and Ft. Benning, Ga., where he taught Evaluation Command (TECOM). tactics at foe Infantry School ing defenses against chemical and biological warfare against us, but I dont see foe need by our saying, Well, we have it and we can In his newly created post, and served as a tactical officer use it against you," when we have other weapons that we will use Col. Chandler is responsible for for three years, against you if you use chemical and biological warfare against us. directing a command - wide pro- Transferred to the Artillery A Well, personally I would not want to use foe nuclear gram aimed at insuring equal em- - j 1957, he joined the 101st deterrent in this area lx:cause the nuclear deterrent I believe would opportunities and fair borne Division at Ft. Campbell, treatment on foe job for all quali- - Ky., the following vear and d engage us in a much larger exchange, if we were to use that as our and potentially qualified maincd with the division until only deterrent against the, say, limited use of biological or chemical agents. persons regardless of race, color, 1900, serving as adjutant and and I think that this is certainly in the recNow, I believe religion, sex or national origin. commander. His next battery ord of foe hearings that we have had over the years up in the Conassignment took him to Hawaii that the best way to deter the use of gases is to have that capgress for duty as battery commander ability yourself. I think if you will read over the report of foe conand 4 with the 25th Infantry Digressional committees of 1959 and 1981, when we got into this vision. area and found that the United States was not going forward in this area, foe committees of the Congress directed the Department of Defense to move forward in this area at a much more rapid rate than it had. This is congressional direction which was received in the Department of Defense. I read a story the other day about how this hadn't been discussed in die Congress. Well, I sat there for days and weeks going over this whole program and it was the House Appropriations Committee that directed foe Department of Defense to go forward and to develop this capability so that we would have this kind of a on-goi- pre-jud- Lt. Col. Chandler New Equal Emp. Opportunity Officer re-fie- S-- 3, - S-- 0KIGV . DN TTME IBAKICX ... deterrent I would just like to say that as far as the safety is concerned, I think this is a nutter that has to lie looked at very carefully. As fur as the uses and the management of this program. I ain not satisfied with that, and thats why I asked the President to direct the Natioiul For Dugway Employees and Military Personnel A First Security Bank checking account means immediate money in the bank on pay day for civilian and military personnel at Dugway. A plan has been developed permitting the deliv- Only IQ Days ery of your pay check to the First Security Bank on Base each pay day with credit to your account immediately! 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The I7.(XXt-mai- i workforce, staast tioned in a dozen states and in Alaska and Panama, includes Negroes, Indians, anil Orientals as well as the disadvantaged, the older worker and foe physically handicapped. A veteran of Korea and' Vietnam, (joI. Chandler joined the headquarters here following a tour of duty at Ft. two-yeSill, Okla., with the U.S. Army Field Artillery Hoard. He served as adjutant of the lioard and, later, as chief of the Personnel and Services Directorate. While at Ft. Sill, the field artilleryman authored and initiated the Plan to promote black capital in the ghetto community of Law-ton- ,' Okla. Born in Hertford, N.C., the colonel is a 1951 BOTC graduate of the Agricultural and Techui- coast-to-co- ar or George For a Real Savings and a Beautiful New 1969 Olds. FIRST SECURITY RANK Fir their See Tom - Maynard you valuable time and money. NAME AND ADDRESS PRINTED on each check Tecom Staff Chief CBW 10-3- 6 Co. Akrkkkkkirf In the postwar years, he manded General MacArthur's Honor Cuard in Japan from 1946 to 1949 and then joined the 2d Infantry Division at Ft. Lewis, staff here. Wash. He accompanied the divi- He succeeds Col. David B. sions 38th Infantry to Korea where Goodwin, chief of staff since July he served from July 1950 through 1967, who retired yesterday after December 1951 as regimental more than 30 yean sen-iceoperations officer and commandCol. Hodges joined foe head- - ing officer of the 2d Battalion, following a quarters in mid-Jul- y Subsequent assignments took tour of duty in Washington with him to Ft. Monroe, V., for duty the o,ce of the Army's Assistant in foe Office of the Chief of Army Chief of Staff for Force Develop- - Field Forces; to Athens, as chief of the Infantry Team of the Joint ment. Earlier, he spent a year in the U.S. Military Advisory Assistance Republic of Vietnam with the 4th Group in Greece; and to Ft Knox, Infantry Division. He commanded Ky., as commander of foe 2d e 2d Brigade from December mored Rifle Battalion, 54th until the following June when fan try. He also served at Ft. Ben-h- e was named division chief of ning, Ga., as a battle group coinstaff. mander, deputy brigade com mander and as chief of die Tactics Group in the Brigade and Battalion Operations Department of the Infantry School. Col. Hodges headed the Army Element of the U.S. Military Advisory Assistance Group in Pakistan from 1964 until October 1966 when he joined the National Guard Bureau in Washington. He was ordered to Vietnam in December ABERDEEN PROVING Md. Colonel Warren D. Hodges of Lawrence, Kan., as-sumed the duties of U.S. Army Test and Evaluation Command chief of . Ar-th- In-19- 1967. The colonel is a 1955 graduate of the Command and General Staff College. He completed the Armed Forces Staff College in 1959 and the Army War College in 1962. Colonel and Mrs. Hodges have two children, Lieutenant Richard W. Hodges, U.S. Army; and Lieutenant Wanda K. Strange, U.S. Army Nurse Corps. Col. Hodges was bom in PFC Jack Byers has been Lawrence, Kan., in 1923, foe son of Mr. and Mrs. Alva T. Hodges, assigned to the Classroom Sup-1211 East 13th Street A 1939 port Branch of foe Instruction graduate of Liberty Memorial Support Division, CBR VVOC. k k k k High School, he attended the UniPVT James L. Emlirey, Jr., versity of Kansas from 1940 until he entered the Army in 1943. lie was recently assigned to the was awarded a bachelors degree Television Branch, Field Demonin education (BGE) in 1961 by the stration Division, CBR WOC. University of Omaha. The colonel earned his coin-- i SGT Steven Press was remission in the Coast Artillery cently awarded a CBR WOC CerCorps in 1943 at the Officer Can- tificate of Achievement for merididate School at Camp Davis, N.C. torious service while assigned During World War II, he served to the Administration and Securin Europe as a company com- ity Division. 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