Show TUT THAT BREEZE IN THE irrigation CONGRESS there has been some som complaint by persons present at abe th irrigation congress that the colloquy which arose between governor thomas and some members of the california delegation has not been fully dand particularly that the remarks of mr mills were omitted from all the press accounts of the proceedings we have therefore procured from the stenographer of the congress a verbatim report of the remarks that were made following the speech of governor thomas in support of delegate kings king amendment in reference to the school lands in which he stated there was a determination on the part of the california delegation to force down the throats of the convention every idea which they think we should adopt 21 following is the full report of what ensued mr mills mr chairman before the governor takes his bis seat I 1 wish as a question of high personal privilege to refer to the remark lemark which he made when he be took the stand that it was evident that from the proceedings here that the california delegation had a pro gramme which they were determined to choke down the throat of this convention it if that had bad come from any other delegate on this floor the california delegation would have passed it in silence but coming domig from the governor of the entertaining territory of this convention conventi we cannot afford to allow it to pass pan I 1 in a silence now sir it to is apparent to the convention that this delegation has been divided its chairman went on the platform and attempted to paw pass a substitute for the resolution which is before the convention proving to the gentlemen and to you gentlemen that this delegation was not a unit now we are somewhat trained in politics in california and if we had bad a gramme pro we would have united in that gramme pro you impeach our intelligence when you tell us that we came here with a pro gramme upon which we i were riot not agreed now gent gentlemen leme n we did get the chair manship for this convention for which we are very grateful but we perhaps owe you an apology not because the man we named is not the peer of any man on this floor for that office but we owe you this explanation it alfi go 0 back in the telegraph to the etzi state of fl california alifornia that the delegation our governor sent bent here bere how ax been committing improprieties OB 04 this floor we did get the chak chair 1 manship and for this very for the benefit of this convention the th gent gentleman lema n whom we named has EOM ena nence in two directions as a is lawyer wa per awl and as a skilled legislator on the subject 0 irrig irrigation stion it if any other gentleman tac most of this convention had ben named for the chairmanship itt it aou have been charged that some alte motive and not irrigation as a ma mal i proposition caused that choice bi a k when we named mr wright as t tt chairman of this convention we put at label on it as ae it were we unified an n concentrated the thought of this con eo bention on the subject of irrig irrigation atio 0 I 1 because we put the one man into th chair who has become distinguished a a legislator on that subject that i our policy when it was waa tell tele graphed back to california that 0 0 CJ wright had bad been chosen chairman of i our delegation and eventually chairman of the convention that made the people of california understand that we were here in the interest of no other scheme than the great ob object ed which had called the con convention veriC to together gother we did succeed in getting that by your par partiality daft and your gene mity I 1 hope the GOT goi bruor of utah will not make us sorry sony for it and I 1 hope you will not place us as in a light before our constituency at A home of having come in her herein in some indirect unworthy interest and va ut in the great interest which las has can caller us together applause I 1 mr thomas mr chairman and gentlemen if I 1 have said an anything Y abi which will cause regret in the C california delegation I 1 of course humbly apologize for it mr mills thank you I 1 move we accept his apology laughter and applause mr thornas thomas but let me remind the california delegation delA gation that the state ment was made on this platform that there was such a thing as good faith and intimating that the utah delegation were not acting in good faith mr irish will you permit me mr thomas yes yea mr irish frish I 1 desire to interrupt the governor now by his permission with a personal explanation I 1 explained that utah represented on this committee on resolutions was the author of the clause relating to the public schools in this plank in the platform and not dot california utah was the author of that claim that every gentleman in this convention who has participated in parliamentary proceedings will understand that there is such a thing as responsibility for delegated authority and when the delegate of utah upon that committee had bad voiced the sentiment of utah in this plat form I 1 do say and will say it in the face of an opposing world that good faith required him and his delegation to stand by that which he haci bad put into this platform now in response to that I 1 am not talking urgently because I 1 have no of disposition in t r response to that it is fie said that california 1 i comes here to crowd things down the throat of this convention intimating that this clause which is the fruit of the ill II 11 II 11 y is something which genius blue of timis toe to crowd down the th throats boata are ate trying that california conventions convention W wis this physician to medicate the e here of as whereas the fact is that aib congress in the corn com a patient sat hat as last night dight and resolutions atee on swallowed the inthout without a protest by dr utah ifil administered ministered td is the manner in efow there of good faith Is 11 the question I 1 raise it as a general critt toed and not as a personal application hun and ad of the evary gentleman ud d I 1 that every say will justify me per delegation iOD atah delegat phraseology which is ape not in my but in the nor happy fortunate ver r for lay behind it in the attention antion that ciment that I 1 expressed r mr newlands New lauds 4 members of the congress the misfortune that the lit it as v a grest great should have occurred be dt for which they respect the entire con areat at so gre the california to st indebted nde ted on wa was and zeal intelligence for the be shown here and have ave abich they indebted to the aware greatly are ao 0 for the generous manner tab delegation have surrendered they in which tv top the lae control of the the proceedings modesty which for edtion exhibited and for the abend efly have with which they have at t hospitality greeted them to t their heir city committee on 0 of f the an aa 1 a member that the chair to say platform lat form rm I 1 wish committee was a little wa of the the charge of making overzealous IOUs in delegation atod faith against the utah did dictate is tr ua that mr goodwin resolution with th 0 of f this language schools but it reference rence to the I 1 public he did y in doing so 80 that to me vi views WS of his delegation Sf the express press of his delegation right laari it was the to alter modify the them in t to th jt hey 01 V saw fit wC fit ex expressions for the here pur was IK imie be coave convention antior and not for the aaion of f beliber deliberation establishing tee technical anical rules tt roose of from inch oh would stop any delegation plank tW eBBing its views upon any 6 dig it if the utah delaga me 8 platform the ex receive proper failed to falt 6 had the platform views in its ita on of atee it has haa a right committee lade do by the and ask for the correction c or be board beard stated that the state of it had been million dollars in had bad three e aU fornia state of nevada fund fond and the B school thousand dollars hundred luf eight obtained by the the money abow was of land granted ranted by the government to states n that it has not received I 1 utah says bay and that if ui the benefit of such a grant domain Is granted the um the entire public with the and territories md states I 1 of the the proceeds that affe provia provi o be applied only should ale ode of arid and lands ilaf 10 reclamation purposes ur poses that their would of the N abool oat fund would be deprived every other state was befit which claim that the re then and toying BB ng iW ution ought to be so shaped as to the legislature of utah to utilize permit it sees fit either in the all U its ito grant as reclamation of the lands or in the promotion of education or of both accord ping ing to its ito wisdom thus placing the etke of utah when it assumes state bood upon an eq equality with the states te bof of california AIt fornis and nevada there to is propriety in the ca claim aim and whatever view the convention may ultimately take of the question these delegates who have remembered us with such kindness and courtesy courte ey and with such public spirit and modesty should have every opportunity of expressing their views with reference to the interests of utah mr thornas thomas now gentlemen of the convention I 1 want to say this that if I 1 have done anything I 1 am sorry for I 1 am willing to be forgiven mr colorado governor thomas before you leave the stand will you permit me to ask you a question 7 I 1 think it is pertinent to the question under discussion and not for explanation mr thomas with pleasure mr stanger you my gay that utah has derived the benefit of the granted lands mr thomasit thomas it has derived none and never can get any mr stanger why that is what I 1 asked excuse my ignorance mr thomas I 1 thought I 1 made it clear in my opening address why utah has never obtained siny any benefit from the donation of public lands which is is u usually made to states and territories the reason is this the arable lands in utah are found in the valleys which run through the territory and the settlers coming into the territory in 1847 before the land office was opened in march 1869 had taken all the arable land up that could be cultivated without great expense consequently the reserved school sections remaining are found on these mountain tops they are worthless they are scattered here and there and you can realize nothing from them mr stanger colorado avoided that by having congress give them those lands mr thomas colorado is a great state and utah is only a territory mr newlands colorado has them for school purposes but suppose con gress makes a grant of all the lands ianes in this territory to utah simply for reclamation cla mation purposes then there is an entire dedication of the lands to that purpose and there is no possibility of securing a school fund mr thomas that is the point |