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Show nr? t Sr How Time Do Pastors Find It Tor Their Families? Any busy person finds it difficult to do everything that must be done. Time marches on and, once gone, can never be recalled. For clergymen, the problem often may be in finding time for their own families. church HEWS and my personal life are greatly .nterrclated. This is one of the few ca- reers I know of where the father takes his family with him to the office. Sometimes the family must take second place and someYet there are ways of find- times the he congregation, ing time to be a husband and said. It depends upon the sitfather as well as being a pas- uation. tor. Three Saif Lake area God Comes First commented this week Some biblical scholars sav he was. And they can make a good case from his own writthe letters to young ings which churches comprise s of the New nearly Testament. clergy To me, God comes first, Finding time for my family my family second and myself is a matter of real Yet if an and making a few third," he said. some arises, priority decisions," said the emergency Genset must aside. be things Rev. Charles Treble, rector of become needs human St. Stephens Episcopal erally, fore loyalty to an institution. C hurch. I Like most clergymen. It is difficult to find ibis my time time because the way I spend can manipulate schedule to be witn my family my day is structured by myhe said. self and by the circumstances when necessary, "There fathers arent many of my parish, he said. who can find time during the Requires Travel day to go to school and visit Serving at St. Stephen's also their childs classroom if serving in Tooele at essarv. the Episcopal Church there, Pastor King noted his famiand Father Preble holds a dily enjoys going places togethocesan position which requires er and frequently spends time his traveling a great deal. camping and being out of Some feel their calling as doors. a minister is the number one Each fall my wife and chilpriority in their lives, and dren and I set up an agenda members of their congregaon how were going to try to tion mayffeel the same way, said the find time together, he said. Personally. I feel Rev. William Klover, pastor my first priority must be of Our Saviours Lutheran being a good Christian and Church. Usually we plan for secondly, having a good mar- me to have and Satur- two-third- One passage they cite is from Pauls first letter to the infant Christian church in Corinth. He laid it out in words that must send Germaine Greer right up the wall: The husband is supreme over his wife. nec-mea- Friday riage. day off. but this ideal is selit said that dom achieved. you cant be a good priest unSunday Togt ther less you're a good husband," The Klover family also he said. I agree with this." to have the time attempts is a for minister It possible 4 p.m. onward on Sunfrom to spend 80, 90 or even 100 as a family. hours a week on church work days together "1 usually have meetings and still not get the job done, any other night of the week, said the priest. he said. Since my wife teachOur job is often not very es and the children are all in weM' defined, and so we clerschool and have music lesgymen try to do everything," sons, we dont make it home he said. There is something until about 20 minutes of six wrong in most clergy-churceach evening. Thus I try to relationships because there keep meetings set at 7:30 p m. are.so many men leaving the or later so I dont have to ministry 1 think part of the rush away." reason may be not having Involving his family in his enough time for themselves or work is one of the joys of the their family. ministry, said Pastor Klover, Th clergyman's wife takes and can be kind of fun. a great deal of a minister's I think the hardest part is workload, said Father Preble. played by the wife, who must Learn to Say No see her husband perform Each of us must simply every Sunday, since as a arrive at some priorities and spouse she is sort of caught learn to say no," he said. up with identifying with him, ."This may hurt some per- he said. Like Father Preble, Pastor son's feelings but our families have a right to expect a Klover feels a man who cant certain amount of our time be a good family man ought not to be in the ministry. also. , t My job should not come Time spent with the family-musfirst, any more than a truck said Fabe ther Preble, noting we dont driver or businessman should always go somewhere. One of place his job before his said the pastor. the nicest things is to be able family, to stay home and be together as a) fajruly. 'hatever the amount of timp, it must be spent by truly devoting yourself to the children and to your wife," he The annual Fall Festival of saic This time is theirs. Preble and his wife First United Methodist Church I have heard I h well-spen- t, Methodists Plan Fall Festival Fjther Jana have two daughters. The Rew Dr. pastor of Howard C. King, Granger Community Christian Church, is the father of four. I find the problem not so much one of finding time to spejjd with my family as that are expected to be involved in everything," said Pasjor King. "The life of the will be held Wednesday from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. at the church, East, with lunch served from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. and dinner from 5:30 to 7 p.m. Child care will be provided. A quilt will be auctioned off and booths will contain plays. Advance tickets may be obtained at the church office for the dinner. 203-?n- d dis-the- y v Fovo Southern Baptists Will Host Area Meeting Special to The Tribune OVO First Southern Baptist Church of Provo will host- - the annual state meeting Southern of 0ie Baptist Convention here Monday jthrough Wednesday, with of several representatives boards and agencies of the Southern Baptist Convention slated to attend. Utah-Idah- o Among those expected at the Convention are Dr. E. W. HunZe, area coordinator for 11 western states for the Home Mission Board, and Dr. Albert McClellan, representative of the Southern Baptist Convention executive committee. Reasons for Meet Thet annual gathering is a time for each congregation in Utah to report achievements of the past year and plans fer LAKE AREA SALT THE OF the coming year, said Darwin Welsh, executive committee for Utah and Idaho. Meetings begin with a pastors conference and brotherhood convention Monday at 1:30 p.m., set to the theme of Living the Spirit of Christ in These Faith and Conquest. gatherings will continue that afternoon and Tuesday morning at 9:30 a.m. Baptist Men will hold its convention Monday night starting at 7 p m. Women's Union Womens Missionary-Uniowul start its annual meeting Monday afternoon at The 1:30 p.m., continuing Tuesday 9:30 a.m. at General Tuesday at tinue begin meetings 2 through p m. and con- Jana. Clergymen often find it difficult to be with families because of emergencies and many meetings. Rev. Charles Preble, left, establishes priorities to give him time with daughter Meg, 52, and his wife Many Congregations Provide for ;Rap Sessions Rap session, in the 7 p.m. tonight, All youth pastors home. invited. This notice might appear on almost any church bulletin on and as any Sunday morning often as not it may involve adults or any age group. What does it mean? Three Salt Lake area church workers commented this week. Rap is kind of the now term, said the Rev. Charles Graves, youth minister at First Baptist Church. They're really not a lot different than a discussion group. I see them as most valuable when they are informal and have no predetermined structure. Rap sessions at First Baptist Church are being held each Wednesday at 6:30 a.m. by a group of single adults who spend their time in Bible study. Small Group This is a small' group oriented towards young persons who attend the church on Sunday, said Pastor Graves. Wednesday morning is their opportunity to meet with other Christians they know other than on Sunday and discuss the Bible. We arent particularly terested in in- a huge attendance; we just wanted to get together and enjoy each other's company, he said. The early morning gatherings also allow participants a chance to express feelings and pray for one another, said the clergyman. I think praying together and asking support for one another has a value to all the members of the group, said Pastor Graves. It is of value to me as a minister just to have a chance to sit with an informal group and hear how theyre feeling. I Express Feelings also have a chance to y Rap is not a term used at Holladay United Church of Christ anymore, said Mrs. Pat Gamble, who works with the that congregation. youth of Our young persons decided rap is a slang expression they dont want used any . "He are getting a lot of feedback on self-identi- ty and awareness of others around us, as well as our relationship to God. " said the Rev. John Roland. Like many of us, teens are often so caught up with themselves they cant see anyone around them, he said. Such gatherings increase horizons for participants, said Pastor Roland. Im involved in rap sessions because I believe a personal faith is the way to provide answers to todays problems. he said. 2500 3900 So. William W. Klover Jr., Pastor WORSHIP 9:00 A.M. 4 10:30 A.M. SUNDAY SCHOOL DURING SERVICES 997 SS.T0 00 T.U.6.30. LC.A. 3900 South E. "INDEPENDENT" 1964 View Slreef (Between !3tM. Cast; North of 21st South) 11.0047:30 Worship Prayer Service 7: 30 Clnilei toy. hOo. When I am able to be an enabling force in such a process and see another freed up to become more whole and respond more to life and what I think of as God, I experience a tremendous joy of being a and releaser of life right in the here and now, she said. 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"The Greatest of These (Love)" THURSDAYS 7:30 P.M. Ooss in "Basic Ideas of Science of Mind" FIRST-YEACOURSE beginning in Study of Science of Mind. For information call 278-314- 9 Ond'SdtotltoMf uL (ftnir) BETHEL CHURCH J1 tort trh Sooth Mus-IIOO- aawi 241 si- MMNUt INK mm KOTO 7 Evening Service Prayer Service Wed 00pm. 7.30pm. 7- A- toayheUM MiMnltaniaipi Comarvotive laptist CHURCH 6676 HIQMANO CHURCH OF COD' DR. IN CHRIST 2 9:45 am. 1 1 ....,b:30 am. Had 945u. ija. tontonliallJOu. MPtoTm7J0u p.m. 7: 15 pm. I Wsd., taWuMImmPto,. TJtps. BWs Study 7 p.m. Ed zzo SUNDAY 11 AM toxumwm-iTt-- m Assocate Mmnlar Arr Cortot T. tactey PARK CITY Walt A Twildl Amon Worship Servlet 552 Wat hurt $oi-364-- B61 40 4b Sunday School 9:45 a m. 00 o m. Worship Service 1 1 Freedom in Communion" Youth Time 6 00 p m. Evening Service 7 00 p m Wednesday Evening Service 7 15 p m Ellis M. Keck, Presbyterian COTTONWOOD o m Church School 10 to The Rev. JAPANESE Pastor 277-475- 1 Arthur C. Johnson, pastor 363-32- The 1 30 o m 1 268 West st South Church School 10:30 Worship 10:30, 12:30 1 to. Koto postoe f--ui Re-- 5 7th South, 1 7th East Worship 9.00 & 11:00a.m. Church School 9:50 a.m. WASATCH 1 487-75- Tha Sav. James P. Dowdy. Tha Rev. froncis M. Kirk ( WESTVALE G a zH 36 10 South 4400 West Church School 9:45 Worship The Rev. FIRST PRESBYTERIAN i MT, OLYMPUS M in FOOTHILL DR 2605 E T 33 SOUTH a m . Ceroid V. Cose, pastor 363-388- Worship 9:00 2 . 9 :0Q a . M Guest Minister: The Rev. Thomas C. Jackson 3280 East 3900 South 277-513- Sunday School 9:45 o.m. m 298-7991 1 So. Temple & "C" St. Church School 1 0:00 a.m. i7 U 1155 1580Vine$t.(6100So.) KHXJ 4 WEDNESDAY 8 PM fWM AM A FIRST DAPTIST CHURCH Worship 1:00 o.m. I RlHUiOGTON,iatSTDI A Craw. Mmtotsr McOutee, You k Minster Charles Ul Sctenc 21 50 Foothill Dme Gospel Sorvico 7 p.m. NEW LOCATION Dr. Ciarke C. Odden, Minister . FIRST CONGREGATIONAL 777 S. 15th East Phone 582-492- 1 Guest Speaker: Mr. Don Leaf NEW TIME 777-13t- h American Baptist thiuvhes in the I.S.A. UNHID" METHODIST nn1efteniriit. frtemlh. rhitn h 180 Youth Monwg Worship Youth Hour OF YOUR MCE Dr. Eugene E. Bartlett, president of the American Baptist Chjjrches in the U.S., will be guest speaker Tuesday at 7 p.m. at the annual candlelight and silver dinner of First Baptist Church. The gathering will be held in the social hall of the church, East, and is designed to honor those who have given sendee to the outstanding church and to the community. 9 45a.m. Sunday School YELLOW PAGES ex- Ger- wall, Baptist Officer Dockets Talk Worship Groups and IMOsjil ZION LUTHERAN 4n Come off that maine. 1 Cvooini Worship TELEPHONE DIRECTORY All DenominrHons Welcome . CHRISTIAN SWe LOOK IN THE -- to female subordination. Dr. Wedel says. So, far from being tagged a male chauvinist, she thinks Paul deserves to be recognized as one of the earliest exponents of equality for women. MT. ZION SUNDAY SCH0W SALT LAKES CHARISMATIC CHURCH references culture-conditione- d CHURCH Sunday School SUNDAY 00PM is far more of Paul than is That statement characteristic llOOan 730pn 6 CHURCH Syod) Wanly Service 6 tween Jews and gentiles, between slaves and free men: between men and women: you are all one in Christ. 1700 UrtMOO South 2774412 sr 3704)04 hmng 1 All of you are Gods sons there is no difference be- Sunday Sdtool Worthy Wonh Gal-- . . CHURCH Morvwrg the to PRINCE OF PUCE (Wlitimhi YOUTH FELLOWSHIP . .4 Bible Believing Bible Teaching Church FOR INFORMATION ABOUT letter his In atians, Paul said: BAPTIST HOLLADAY Evangelical Fret Church 1910 East 3900 South Rev. Berdan R. Donoho, Pastor ...946 1.O. . IH tm nos.aSMy. WORSHIP sit t Morning 231 East 1st South 94SAM wife. He made no bones about his firm intention to remain e , 4 9:30 a.m. 57 East 13th South KS0P Paul ran no risk that such sentiments. would get him in trouble at home. He had no But Dr. Cynthia Wedel, first woman president of the National Council of Churches, says this is a bum rap. Acknowledging Paul wrote some things that no liberated. 'n modern female can read withr., out a rise in blood pressure, ; . Dr. Wedel points out the apos- also laid down the doctrine p which has become the basic,, underpinning of Christian be-- ; lief in the equality of sexes and races. Phene: 3353014 PENTECOSTAL CHURCH OF GOD Ziff Mb, Fwdr FIRST ASSEMBLY OF GOD 4649502 . Episcopal BETHESDA BIBLE CHAPEL a woman . therefore, should have a covering over her head, to show that she is under her husband's authority. In another famous passage, Paul admonished women to i.e., refrain keep silent from speaking to the congreat public worship. gation This statement, made nearly 2,000 years ago m the context of a very different - society than we have today, still is males, being quoted by (including Pope Paul VI) who oppose ordination of women to the ministry. 180 North Moin MIDVALE ASSEMBLY OF GOD BAPTIST CHURCH 2 1 Nor was man created for womans sake, but woman was created for mans sake S.B.C. MILLCREEK OUR SAVIORS LUTHERAN 278-14- themselves, she said. For others, who participate, it begins to reveal all sorts of beautiful worlds, showing the authentic parts of themselves and releasing their particular gifts, she said. "We try to get beyond all Mrs. Gamble said there are the superficial things to where of all kinds at gatherings more of the authentic person which are difcan emerge and relate to Holladay UCC, ficult to call a rap session. others, she said. -- E. All such gathenngs aim at releasing the unique person or group that may be discovering more because they want to be very clear and plain as to what they are talking about, she said. Gatherings others might call raps are a time together where all communicate. EVENING SEPIVCE 7 00PM press my feelings without worrying about saying the I can right thing, he said have mv ideas accepted or rejected without being rejected myself A feeling that high school students are now, more than .ever, interested in communication and honesty caused the Rev. John Roland, pastor at Grace Church, Baptist Bountiful, to start the group now meeting on the first and third Sunday of each month at 8:29 p m. at his home. 88 W. 50 South, Centerville, Apt. 8. "I am not certain these young persons always do communicate. Nor are they always honest. But rap sessions provide an informal setting where they can ask honest for and search questions answers. he said. Finding out for themselves is the whole value and success of rap sessions, he said In the Salt Cellar, as Pastor Roland has named his rap sessions, participants are basiawarecally "discovering ness, he said. t "We are getting a lot of feedback on and awareness of others around us, as well as our relationship to God, he said. For some, this causes them to think about issues that they otherwise wouldn't consider. Paul went on to zzy that women should acknowledge their subordinate status by keeping their heads covered when they went forth in public to worship. A man has no need to cover his head, because he reflects the glory of God, woman said Paul. But reflects the glory of man. For man was not created from from woman, but woman man. celibate, and his feeling that all men would be better off in that state. A man, he said, does well not to marry. If that were th: whole n ord, it would be hard to dispute the view that Paul was a male chauvinist who neither liked nor respected women. & 1 1 0 Worship 1 1 ;00 o.m. Donoltj F Sturm, Pastry |