Show tile THE DEBATE AT OGDEN OGDEN CITY utah may sti 1 editor the first debate is over and thus far truth uttered ili in simplicity and plainness la inness by an unsophisticated sophisticated u ri youth has ras prevailed long before the time half past seven sevell elt eit for opening the doors of the tabernacle er MANY HUNDREDS OP OF PEOPLE had assembled and waited to gain admission to the building the immense concourse continued to swell as the moments flew flow by and it soon became evident thai that the house was too small to accommodate all who desired to fo get et inside at the exact time ap appointed polard the double doors were thrown open and in a few minutes thereafter zhe the tabernacle was filled to its utmost capacity tile tiie standing as well as the sitting room was all occupied and of people could not gain admission but so fco intensely hAe interested rested were were the people in the proceedings and so anxious were they to hear the controversy tro versy that some PROCURED UD DERS and limbed climbed c up to 0 the east cast windows aind nd held on to tho ropes etca etc until the close of the meeting there ne never has been so large lauge a gathering sta tta in that house since muce the 6 grand land rally just before the last elec clec election tion for delegate to congress the house was illuminated with electric lights al A eight standard time the vast assembly was called to order by rev richard hartley ills nis choir san sang a beautiful anthem peace be 1 still till i which was rendered in excellent st style prayer was then tilen offered by rev mr ir adkinson minister of the methodist church rev mr thayer read the cap of corinthians after which ELDER B 13 13 1 MCH delivered the opening speech lie read the words of the savior to ills lils ancient apostles seek first the kingdom of god od and then proceeded to show from the scriptures of what the kingdom of god consisted as it existed in the days of jesus christ lie he commenced by referring to the angels visits to mary and to zacharius zacharias promising nisin c ach eadi of them a son ile he next botic noticed cd the births of these two children childre ii of P promise their growth manhood and w ministry and aud then showed that in the order of time the kingdom of god was organized with jesus jesua christ as king T the he APOSTLES rj PROPHETS evangelists pastors teachers bishops p S 1 deacons were the tho officers of the 0 k kingdom i 1 dom he lle showed from the scrip tura that they were ordained set apart and duly commissioned by the icing king to preach the tho gospel of the k kingdom ing and ana to administer the ordinances ot of the gospel to repentant applicants for admission into the church or kingdom the speaker then set forth in simplicity at cat r y and plainness the principles of falth faith I 1 repentance baptism for the remission of sins bins the laying on of hands for the Imp imparting artim of the holy ghost etel etc defining denning and proving every principle cip of from rom king james ames translation of the new testament ile he next spoke of the gifts the blessings and the power ower of god that followed the ancient believing el ieving leving citizens of the king kingdom dom of god as recorded in mark xvi xvi 1518 15 18 hebrews xi xii sli chap birst corinthi ans and many other passages passage of holy writ andraid and said sald when and where the TRUE CHURCH OV OF JESUS CHRIST was on the tiie earth it was characterized and distinguished from all others ot hersby bersby by possessing these oil leers doctrines ordinances gifts gif ts and blessings as the fruits of obedience to its requirements elder rich then contrasted the ancient church of christ with those of modern christendom and asked where now can be found inspired apostles prophets and a people enjoying such power on earth ile he answered nowhere except in the church of jesus christ of latter day saints and demonstrated thus the cause of the professing christian churches being destitute of of s such 1 cli cil privileges is that they have fors sors forsaken a k en god gone into darkness and established SYSTEMS OF THEIR OWN lie ile closed by quoting the words of paul no man this honor unto himself but he that is called of god a as S was aaron viz by revelation from the lord through ili lil his s servant the prophet and declared that if the ministers of modern christianity have not been called in that manner they have no authority to preach the gospel or administer any of its ordinances to the people THE nev REV rev followed elder rich he quoted for his text god so loved the world that ile he gave ills his only begotten son tl that 1 at whosoever believed on him should not n ot perish 11 and then proceeded to build words a theory of salvation LY BY FAITH ALONE ile he laid particular emphasis on the thel word perish as he wished the audience to keep that word especially green in their memory ile he reminded the mothers in the congregation that probably many of their sons were in a perishing condition being steeped in the vilest of crimes yetchen yet ye when they return the maternal arms were open to receive them and press them to their maternal bosoms because they loved their sons so said he when the vilest sinners returns to the lord lie he receives them to his bosom for sor he so loved the world that he gave ills his only ont oni begotten son to die for them that No whosoever believed oil on him should not perish 11 thel the lord ord said the reverend gentleman said not a word to them about baptism and the laying on of hands bands or any of the thi things gs referred to by elder rich as bei bel being n g ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION all that was necessary for the people to do was to keep their minds fixed on the cross of christ chhist and have faith in him and they are saved mr hartle hartie hartley made reference to the baptism 0 of john to philip and the ei eunuch nuch to the jailor ja ilor llor and his household etc etc yet at the same time ile he declared that baptism ap was in no way connected with salvation ile he is a baptist minister ile he preaches baptism but not that it is 13 needful for the remission of sins ile he said sald the people are saved before they are arc baptized not after salvation comes first and baptism next and he be said 1 I tell you IN THE xanie NAME OF gop COP that there are arc thousands of men and women up there nh eaven who were livere never baptized lie lle then informed the people that if they only have faith ili in christ that is all that is needed they will be saved ili in relation to the authority of the priesthood spoken of by elder rich the reverend gentleman said it had always been on the earth carth god was not so cruel as to take it away and leave his people to perish ile he said lie had as much authority to pr preach ach the gospel as any other person and all that was necessary to to qualify and authorize him to do so was to have faith and to believe in the lord jesus christ and notwithstanding elder meli meil had from tile the which was their standard of proof that no man has I 1 authority to preach the gospel unless lie he Ss is called of god by I 1 immediate revelation for that p the reverend gentleman ridiculed this matter ciu clu in ills lils appeal to the people he contrad contradicted 1 t hi insult several f times Ile he wrested the scriptures and tried hard bard to give them any thing thin but a true meaning ile he adopted tile the old tone in his endeavors to work up a sensation in the minds of the audience I 1 was among a very great many others e vier vior very much nuch disa disappointed pointed in dir nir hartley it was a s expected ex that he would try at least to sustain his assertions by an ATTEMPT AT ARGUMENTS and that he would essay to them by his bis own the reasoning ili lil of goine some of the great religious commentators menta tors and by ancient church history but no he be seemed to be entirely thrown off ills his base and lie did not even set forth in a clear light I 1 he the doctrines of the church of which lie he is a popular minister ili in this town many of the listeners were astonished aston shed at the ease case with which the stripling got away with the reverend champion of the ministers Atinis of modern christian denominations in this city throughout tile the evening peace and GOOD ORDER orber iliev in the immense audience no personalities ali ties no criminations crimi nations or recriminations 1 na were indulged in by bv the speakers speak ers they were respectful respects ul and ana courteous in their demeanor towards each other and ond to the associations which they represented among the auditors were two priests of the Cat calhous holts holls chuich chinch in fact every sect of profession profess ign christians in this section was represented the proceedings were closed with prayer by rev rey mr thayer presbyterian minister WEBER |