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Show ' - V 'T nn. rx (-y r Given: io Cross-Excmine .. ire o? I'iiile's S!:yer; Evelyn Tells c7 "1:2 e:rl" at Architect's Dinner Opportunity was given Jerome to cross-examine Evelyn Eve-lyn Ncsbit Thaw-this morning, but the DistrictAttorney hedged. He asied that he be permitted to postpone the examination. . " '...".' ' , . Evelyn told the story of the upie 'girl,"- who was the central figure at one of Stanford Whitens "stag" dinners. She also told of White's friendship for May:MacKenzie, and said that at one time after. her own marriage "White tried' to embrace her. She related this to Thaw, and the young man became greatly excited. ' ' Mrs. Thaw told of a letter j written by her husband to Anthony Comstock president of the Society for the Prevention Pre-vention of Vice, complaining of .Vhite's alleged conduct; toward young women. . Some of the evidence of -Evelyn Thaw, which even she iracterized as "unspeakable," is eliminated from her rv bv THE TELEGRAM. ' NEW YORK, FEB. 19. THE USUAL CROWD, LARGELY COM-TOZZD COM-TOZZD OF LAWYERS, FILLED THE COURTROOM WHEN THE THAW CASH OPENED THIS MORNING. EIL EVANS, THE DEFENDANT'S ALIEaST, WAS THE FIRST OF ' TllZ CHARACTERS OF THE CASE TO APPEAR. WHEN JEROME ARRIVED' HE . PAEZZD CLOSE TO THE EXPERT, EUT DID NOT SPEAK. THAW EN-TEZrD EN-TEZrD THE COURTROOM WHEN c T.t -D -v.irn i::3 usual quick AirD . AT ONCE BEGAN AN a:;i:iated conversation with 1 t:.ze : were" ' two Vacant rlact3 at the table occupied ey the attorneys for the defense de-fense this morning, the eeat3 usually occupied by gleason and peabody, leavING leav-ING ONLY FOUR LAWYERS PRESENT. PRES-ENT. IT WAS SAID THAT G LEA-EON LEA-EON WAS SUFFERING. FROM TOOTHACHE. PEABODY, IT WAS , BAUD, WAS. EXAMINING A WIT- 1 A. MaoKenrie with reference to what she said to you regarding . Stanford "VVhitet", . ' l ' "Mae MaeKensie told me Stanford White had been to see her, and that she had told him that Harry and I were getting along finely together. She said she thought it was so nice the way we loved each other. She said . Stanford Stan-ford White had remarked,' 'Pooh, it won't last; I will get her back.' " Made Thaw Excited. "Did Mr.' Thaw say anything when you told him that I" .' VHe said he bad already, heard it from Miss MacKenaie."- ' "What was his condition when you told himf" ,'.-.-. . "The way he was always, when talking talk-ing of White, .very excited. and ner- .VOU8. ...,' , . . " "'You had a 'second operation in 1903, did you not!" - - . r , "Yes." . ' "Who made the arrangements ior it and paid the costs!" "Harry K.Thaw." "How much was the billt" "In all, about $3000. The operation iUelf was $1000." The nature of the operation was not gone into. Spoke Often of White. "Did Mr. Thaw have any conversation, conversa-tion, with the attending physician at A DECIDED STJEPED3E WAS ETETJNQ BY THE DEFENSE IN RECALLING RE-CALLING MRS. EVELYN NESBIT TIIAW TO THE STAND IMMEDIATELY IMMEDI-ATELY ATTEB COTJBT CONVENED. Mrs. . Thaw looked pale and serious as she took the stajid. She appeared in the same simple costume that she has worn every day since the trial be-f be-f 1 She smiled slightly as she caught 1 . nnsband's eye. Thaw returned the i e. and then turned to Attorney ' O'iMlly, with whom be talked 'for a minute, excitedly. Then he returned to his conversation with Dr. Evans,- but for the moat part kept his eyes on his wife, only turning occasionally to whisper whis-per in the doctor 's ear. Identifies White's Letters. After Mrs. Thaw had sat in the witness wit-ness chair for nearly five minutes Del-urn Del-urn began his examination. "You have already testified that jou are familiar with the handwriting of ttanford White," said the attorney. 'I now hand you a paper and ask you if it is the handwriting of Mr. White." Mrs. Thaw gassed 't the paper, evidently evi-dently a letter, and said: l'lt is his handwriting." Delmas handed the witnoes six other letters, and they also were identified as having come from Stanford White. After a moment's delar, still other letters were identified. . Letter after - letter Delmas handed the witness, and the identified each one. She took the - , tters in her hands one at a time, aid only glanced at each before she le-t'lrnedit le-t'lrnedit to the attorney. When Mrs. ihaw had identified thirty letters, Del-r(i Del-r(i returned to the counsel table and trouzht forth a new" package, and the Trork o' identification continued. In :i Mrs. Thaw identified forty-two letter's, let-ter's, the was nearly half an hour at the task. I'll Get Her," Said White. ; As tbe examination of the letters wss concluded, Delmas turned to the wit- "How long have you known Mae JfarlCenriet' . mce 1901." - "How long has Mr. Thaw known l" Vi'ne 1004." "1'id you in May, 1906, relate to Mr. r; "' i-v a conversation you had with Mae tions with Stanford White f" 'No, not in my presence." "Did Mr. Thaw at the time of your marriage talk very much about the Incident Inci-dent in your hfe connected with Stanford Stan-ford Whitet" - " "Yes. He always talked aboat it He would waken me often at night, sobbing. sob-bing. And then he .would constantly ask me questions about the details of this terrible thing." "Did you visit May MacKenrie at her apartments in 19041" "Yes." . . "While. you were there did Stanford White come int". . "Yes." "Did you tell Mr. Thaw of anything that then occurred!" He Wished to Hug Her. "Yes. Sanford White spoke to me several times and I always answered 'yes' or 'no. He. came over and started to straighten a bow on my hair. My hair was short, having been cut off at the time of my first operation. Then Stanford White tried to put his arms around me, and wanted me to sit beside him on tbe bed. I told him to leave me alone." ' - Mrs. Thaw testified that Thaw had told her he was going to .take up Stanford Stan-ford White's affairs with Anthony Com stock. "I told him it would do no good, thst White had many influential fnends and that he could stop it. . I told him that lots of people would not believe tbe, things about White on account-of his personality." "Did you and Mr. Thaw discuss the fates of other yonng women at the hands of Stanford White, and did you tell bint certain nam est" Asked of Other Oirls. Jerome objected. ' Delmas refrained the question and Mrs. Thaw said she and her husband had discussed a number num-ber of young women. - "Are they tbe same .as mentioned in the codicil to Mr. Thaw's will!" ' "Yes." "Did you and Mr.. Thaw discuss the fate of the 'Pie Girl' f" "Yes, it wss in Paris in 1903. He ssked me what other, girls I knew of who had suffered at tbe handa of Stanford Stan-ford Whiter I told him I had heard of the 'Pie Girl.' A girl at the theater told me about it and that v night when. Stanford White came to my dressing-room dressing-room I asked him about it. He asked me where I had heard the story. I told him a girl had told me, and he told me all about it then." Tells of "The Pie GlrL" ; t "There was a stag dinner, he said, and this girl was rut in a big pie with a lot ' of -birds, fthe was very young, about . 15 years, I think he said. He also al-so told me that the girl -had a beautiful f tnire and wore only a gauze dress. He . . (Continued-on -Page 2) ; 1 1 w i (C. t'' - 1 from 1) ! cl t Lfr in the pe anl f' l it. A. lien the cirl jnn-.pi out of the rie the Urv i J : t tve rct." A t a dinner rsrty at t-e ' t. l;!s ii 1 .. i, when Ilr. tl ITrs. Itaw and iniM msn nere prr ;t, tve cPSt t-M Mr. Thaw tie ticry cf tie rie girl. " ' . - "He brM," Mrs. Thaw . continued, "that Mr. Vfcite and another man had trout's about it-trouble to keep it ou of th papers. He said they went on their knees to the editor of the paper and f nally hal it suppressed." ' 'hat newspaper was itt" "The American." - . "What did Mr. Thaw sayf " "Ue said he would investigate the tory and see what truth there was la it.'' "When did he next talk about the story t" Death of "Pie Cirl." , "The next time was in Pittsburg when we were married. He told me that the girl was dead. He had investigated inves-tigated the story and. that it was true; that afterward the girl married. 'but her husband heard the story of her connection with Mr. White and that hr east her off and she died in great pov erty and disgrace. " - "Did you and Mr. Thaw often speak rt f Ha tri rl t V "VTh.t -per.fl nettl" "Ilr. . L .a rt x:p and went out, and rc.i.i.-f 1." "You may have the witness, Mr. Jerome," said iJelmss. Cu er- 3-exanurtion, Jerome a'-ed !';s. Crln several questions reardxr? tie visit to the ttealer with Thaw, and afake J: ".hen next did you .see Mr. "Thawt" "In Mrs. Neebit's apartments." . "Tere you in the roomt" : "No; I was ia the bathroom adjoin-ir;, adjoin-ir;, but the door was ajar, and I could sea and hear plainly." Listened from Eathroom. ' "How did you happen to be in the bathroomt" . "When Mr. fThaw-telephoned up 'to tha room, Mrs. Kesbit asked me to go into the bathroom so that I could hear what was said." "Did she tell you anything about Tbaw!" . "Not then." ' "Did Mrs. Nesbit give any reas-m for asking yon to go in the bathroomt"' bath-roomt"' ' "She said she wanted me to hear what Mr. Thaw said." "What. I am trying te get at is why she made this reauest that you act as an eavesdropper. " Delmas was on lis feet exclaiming: "I object, and desire to note an ex- " Yes, I could not tell you every place and every time we discussed it. . He told me something ought to be done about the girls. I tola him I eonld not do anything.. He said I could help him. I tried to get his mind on other things, and then he would say I was trying to get out of it. He said Stanford White ought to be in the penitentiary; that he got worse and worse all the time and something had to be done." , Here Delmas aked the witness questions ques-tions regarding White's alleged practices, prac-tices, which THE TELEGRAM eliminates elimi-nates from the report "You may take the witness," said Delmas to Jerome. The moment of waiting for the prosecutor's pros-ecutor's first question was interrupted by Delmas, who had a few more papers for the witness to identify. eeption on the ground of misconduct of tbe District Attorney." "Well." said . Jerome, "it is usual " Delmas Takes Exception. "I protest, and note another exception excep-tion on the same ground," broke in Delmas. ' "Well, all right: 111 go at it another an-other way. Mrs. Caine, aid you . not consider it an unusual performance 1" "I did not consider it at all." " All that happened was that some time before Mrs. Nesbit told you that Thaw was interested in Florence, and when he telephoned up, all she said was to ask you to go into the bathroom and listen!" "Yes " "What did Thaw say firstt" "I don't remember.'' Consecrated to Debauchery. One of the" papers identified was a letter from Thaw to Anthony Com-stock: Com-stock: In it Tbaw described the stu-i dio in the Madison Souare Garden tower, and said it was filled with obscene ob-scene pictures, and ' should be raided. He also described the studio at 22 West Twenty-fourth street,- which he said was used by a "cane of rich criminals." crimi-nals." Inithis building-, the letter said, were the famous red velvet swing and the mirrored bedrooms. He enclosed a sketch of the arrangements of the rooms. "Workmen upon the outside of the building," says the letter, "have frequently heard the screams of young girls from this building." Jsrome Postpones Questioning. -"Now yon may take the witness," said Delmas to the District Attorney. Jerome srose. V ' . " " J will ask permission to reserve mv cross-examination of this witness until I can determine . whether a cross-examination is needful upon the issues raised in this ease." he said. 4 We will assent to that," said Del-mss, Del-mss, and Mrs. Thaw left the stand. . Call Mrs. J.- J.. Caine," commanded com-manded Delmas. - - Mrs. Caine is a. petite young woman with an abundance of brown hair, worn pompadour. She was smartly attired in a dark brown suit, and wore a toque of brown fur. Mrs. Caine had known Mrs. Evelyn Thaw and her mother for. six years, and Thaw for three years. She Heard Harry Propose. "Were you in New York in 1903 and present when there occurred a conversation conver-sation between Mr. Thaw and 'Mrs. Holman in which Mr. Thaw made a proposal of marriage t". tll was.'" -- "State what the conversation was;." "I was in the room when Mr. Thaw called. He told Mrs Holmsn that he wanted to marry Florence." "What happened after Mr." Thaw made this proposal f" ' . "1 left the room." "Did you accompany Mr. and Mrs. Thaw to a theater late in 1903s or early in 1904 1" asked Delmas. Yee "Did'.Stanford White come int" "Yes; he came in and occupied a box opposite ours.' "What effect did this have upon Mr. Thaw!" . Thaw'i Eyes "Popped." "He looked at the box, his face turned white and his eyes popped in a wield st&ro ' ' "How long did he look that wayt" "Until Miss Nesbit told him that if he did not stop she would take him from the theater." Hia Offer to Lira. Nesbit. "Well, what do you remember of the conversation!" . "He told Mrs. Nesbit about his desire de-sire to send Florence to Europe, and said if she wonld marry him he would settle enough on Mrs. Nesbit and Mr. Howard to keep them forever. Mrs. ; Nesbit said she -would try to fix it so Florence would accept him." "How long were you in the bathroom!". bath-room!". "Only a few minutes. Mr. Thaw did not etsy long." "When you came out, what did Mrs. Nesbit say to you!" "She eaid: 'I know,' you see, his-intentions his-intentions are honorable. " 1 ' ' Had there been any discussion as -to whether his ' intentions were not honorable!" , .. ' "No." ' k , :."What next did Mrs. NSibit say!" Wanted Evelyn to Marry. : i "She said she wanted me to holn her to induce Florence to take Mr. Thaw as a husband." Mr. Jerome pursued his questioning at great length. ' He . endeavored to bring out the fact from the witness that upon the second trip Harry Thaw and Evelyn made to Europe. Evelyn's mother did not accompany them. Delmas Del-mas objected to this line of cross-examination, but Justice Fitzgerald upheld up-held the District Attorney, who declared de-clared he was not indirectly attacking the credibility ef Mrs. Thaw. Delmas noted many exceptions, declaring the movements of young Mrs. Thaw's mother could not constitute evidence against the defendant. Tbe Trip to Europe. "Did Mrs. Evelyn Thaw tell you that her mother, was not upon the second trip to Europe!" Anally asked Mr. 1 Jerome. . , No." "Did you see Mrs. Thaw's mother in this country while her daughter was in Europe in 1904!" "Yes, once here fn New York." "Did yon discuss Miss Nesbitt's whereabouts!" . "We did not." '"When did you next see Miss Nesbit Nes-bit or Mr. Thaw!" "After they returned from Europe." "Where did Mrs. Nesblt then live!" "In Ninety-first street most of the time: part of the time at the Gregorian in Thirty-seventh street." The house in Ninety-first street was, the witness said, a private house. Besides Be-sides the Nesbits and Thaw she saw no one there but the maid. "Did Mrs. Nesbit live for 8 time at the Cumberland!" -"Not that I know of." , Talked With Harry. "During the time did you ever have conversations with Mr. Thawt" "Yes." Delmas objected to her telling of these conversations and was upheld. ' 'During two months you and Miss Nesbit were so much together, do you know where Mr. Thaw lived!" asked Mr. Jerome. "No." "You had read in the papers about the Hotel Cumberland!" - Delmas objected. Jerome explained to the court that he had a right to ask the questions in an attempt to show, if possible, that the witness had not told all she knew, or thst she was mistaken. After a wordy . dispute between the lawyers, Delmas withdrew his objection and Mrs. Caine said . she had read of the Cumberland. "When this Cumberland episode oc-erred oc-erred where were you!" She Lived With Evelyn. "I went to live with! Florence in Ninety-first street." "Did she ask you to go!" ' "No. She came to the store where I was working and I told her I was about to take an apartment and asked her to come and live with me. We looked up advertisements in the papers and found the Ninety-first street apartment and started there that night. It was a furnished fur-nished apartment." ... "Did Thaw go with you!" "No." ... ."Whose name did you give in taking the apartment!" "My own name." "What name did Miss' Nesbil give!" "She did ot give any. ..It was not necessary." . -.... At this point a recess until 2 o'clock .waa ordered, , ' - - |