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Show UNABLE TO FIND THAT AWFUL LOBBY However, Senators Borah and Ashurst Can Cite One Man. BOTH REFER TO INDIAN LAND CONTRACTOR . Men Presenting Arguments V for Legitimate Industries Are Not Lobbyists. WAJnUNOTON, June 2. Th first sens tors to testify today at the senate's investigation of th chart that th lobby hi working against th tariff bill. Declared they knew of no improper Influences In-fluences bring exerted; no use of money, and had not, themselves, attempted to improperly Influence any other senators. All admitted hating talked with manufacturers manu-facturers on th tariff, baring heard arguments had protest, but all considered consid-ered inch proceeding strictly legitimate legiti-mate and did not consider th men lobbyists. Senator Ashunrt said, however, that a man named MsMiuray had been attempting at-tempting improperly to influence senator sena-tor against th movement to cancel certain cer-tain Indian contracts by which McMur ray .1 said to stand to receive 13.500,-000. 13.500,-000. Senator Borah referred also to th "man Senator Ashurst mentioned." Prepared to Answer. Every senator was prepared to answer a series of eleven questions which constituted con-stituted a "grilling" to determine whether he has any personal Interest In the tariff or other legislation and to find out what persons have spproacbed him In the effort ef-fort to Influence hu sctlon on schedules sched-ules of th tariff bill. It hss been estimated that hundreds of sv men Interested In maoufaotuiing or other 5r business affected by the tariff have boon in Wsnlilngton during ths last few weeks, and many senators claim H would be Impossible Im-possible to remember sH the persons who . have called upon them to make sppeal for ' SsnaXors Ashurst, Bacon. Bank-head sod Borah war the first asked to appear ap-pear before the committee. A schedule had -been prepared limiting : the questioning ques-tioning of each senator to fifteen mln-end mln-end nrovldlnc for sessions of the committee until It o'clock each night. Senators See Wilton. Before the committee met. Senator Overman and Reed went to the Whit House and had a confersnoy with President Presi-dent WUaon. Both declined to talk of their visit. Ths senstors did not ask Prssldsnt WUaon to appear. Ths Unpres-alon Unpres-alon prevsllsd that later the president might furnish s list of .names of thoee whom be believes to be lobbying sgainst ths tariff bill. - Senator Ashurst called before the committee, com-mittee, sard he was not interested. In any manner In the production, maaufactur or sals of any article mentioned In the tariff bill or any other bill pending, nor had he sought to Influence sny other ""0 committee then made the first effort ef-fort to secure a list of so called "lobby- ' "Senator Ashurst said ha had not kspt a record of thoee who bad talked with Mm, but he was prepared to give names of all he could remember. The first wss William Wil-liam Kettner of California, who had aeksd him to find out whether there would be sny furthr reduction In the tsriff on lemons and fruits. Ths senator asked Chairman Simmons of the finance committee and the latter said hs thought ths Underwood rates would stand. "But I told him." said Senator Ashurst Ash-urst "that I wanted It distinctly understood under-stood that tn asking the oueetlon I was not urging that ths tariff bs not reduced." re-duced." Used Legitimate Arguments A Mr McClurs, representing western sheepmen, snd Mr. Tomllnson, representing repre-senting cattlemen. Senator Aahurst said, , a'led on him. and by legitimate argument argu-ment eought to show him that the sheep and cattle business would bs hurt by the 'ipri men did what every American cltiswa baa right to do talk to their senitorbout their business affray said he. No one. he declared, had tried Improperly to. Influence hit action. Senator Ashurst ssld he did believe, however that "a man named McMurrsy 1 art been sttemptlng to Influsnc Im- k properly the eetlon ST senstors with respect re-spect to preventing the cancellation of certain contracie he fMcMurrayl held villi Cherokee Indln for the sale of land whereby he would receive IJ.SOO,-000. IJ.SOO,-000. McMurray Smooth Lobbyist. "Hs is ths smoothsst lobbyist 1 have ever seen.'' sdded the senstor. "Hs could carry a bundle of eels upstairs without drooping a single one fwnstor Ashurst ssld he considered sny msn or womsn "lobbyist who buttonholed but-tonholed senators or members of congress snd urged them to vote for certsln measures meas-ures or suffer reprisals In the elections " -I don't consider s msn s lobbyist who files legitimate arguments with congress about mstlers In which he la Interested. ''VJnstor Bacon, who followed Senator Ashurst. said "that out of an abundance abun-dance of caution" he wanted to tell the committee that he owned a small farm In Georgia on which some srtlclee might he raised that were effected by lbs tsriff. A sewer pipe factory, a street railway, s ass compsnv. snd an slsetrie company ire other Industries In which Senstor Fa, roe said he hsd some Interest. Wants No Doty on Sewer Pip. "I don't believe sny of them are f-ferted f-ferted by sny of this legislation." he, said. "I am sure I went no duty oni sewer pipe." . J p. McMurray. an sttamey of M.-Aleeter M.-Aleeter Okie,, prominently tdenttfted with Indian legislation, has a contract with the Ch.roe.ee Indians for the sale of tts.-OM.M tts.-OM.M worth of mnd, for which he is to iouoIss It per cent There 1 a movement move-ment n jres to annul his contract. Senator Bacon ssld hs had not tried to Influent members of the senate, except ex-cept in a itsnersJ way. to urge a reduction reduc-tion of tariff on artl -les of general US f havs not listened to s single msn or heard s single argument on this tsriff hill " he ssld "I havs received great rmoeiy letter and circulars "I have n very much leas effort to Influence legislation on this Mil than on other It doea not compere with the consideration of she Payne-Aid rich bill In that respect . . Ko person had attempted to Influence aaat Imjitjslll Senator Bacon aald. and. |