Show WAITING FOR THE END I Fiarn eutary Scraps of Evidence Introduced Yesterday DR TALMAGE 03 TiE STAND The Objectors Case So Far Is Pretty Thln They Are to Open and Close the Argument When the examination now gong on before be-fore Judge Anderson opened yesterday morning W G Van Home was called and gave a list of what ho aid were the mottoes mot-toes on banners carried in the procession that followed D H A Vells I did not seethe see-the American fag there Did not see one in the procession At the meeting the speakers were F D Kichards D I Wells and John Taylor Dickson sad that Arthur Wild wanted to change his testimony to say that when ho said Hags were in the procession he did not mean American fags Van Horn said tho speeches were com mcndatori of D H Wells for preferring togo to-go to the penitential for contempt rather than reveal the endowment ceremonies B skin said he hod a judgment in a bishops court between parties for a sum qfmoncv VXcGnnd Young sail that it was a doc frfne of the Mormon church that the members mem-bers should settle their difficulties bj the arbitration of bishops courts rather than go to law hCre was no effort or intent to enforce judgment Those who did not comply were disfellow shipcd and it might be in extreme cases excommunication JU JAMES 1 TVLMAGE was called bj the defense He testified I am principal of the Latter daj Saints college in this city was formerly member of the Brigham Young academy in Provo acted in that capacity four years attended school there hvcieirs have studied at the Lehigh university Pennsylvania and the Iohns Hopkins university Baltimore In the Lnttci el iv Saints college vvt give instruction in-struction in theology the same as in other branches our theological classes study the Bible and other church works thcpnnci pies of tho New rcbtiineut no taught there the New Testament is a textbook of daily use the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants ne also sermons are not referred to The constitution of the United States is consttuton taught Wo teach that the constitution is inspired and of all human documents approaches ap-proaches nearest to perfection it is taught that it is the foundation of the government of the United States and must he revered We teach celestial marriage but not plur marriage Ao teach that celestial mar riago is a contract for both time and eternity eter-nity while the civil marriage only binds people in this life We teach that marriage ta religious as well as a civ 1 c ntract Wu never say anything about pu y0ratnj ancie may have been a question asked about it but I recall no instance The B i Academy follow the same rule as docs oar college Both are sustained bi voluntary tarj donation from members of the church 1 have been a member of the church for eighteen years Wo teach mans free agency as a part of our course Weteach that mans free agency is paramount ht it has not been interfered with bj the Creator and should not be by any power We teach that mans future depends on his course in this life lhat ho might by tho exercise of his own asrenci show his nature and preferences We also teach that the kingdom of God is to be an outgrowth of tho church of Christ that it is not here but that it w ill be established and that we should pry for it When it is established Christ will be its king We say that it will come as the Bible says but the time no man knows not even the angels in heaven We have never taught anything contrary to the laws of the land I is a part of our teachings that people should prepare themselves to be good cti ions The teachings in tho B Y academy and in our own college have been approved by the authorities of the church that is the plan of instruction has To Dickson We teach that celestial marriage mar-riage is distinct from plural marriage The mcanirg of plural marriage is expressed and the meaning of celestial marriage is explained Ye teach that celestial marriage mar-riage may bo entered into in the monogamie relation that it is different from from ordinary dinarv marriage in that it is available in eternitj We teach tho pupils tt obey all the laws of the United States AV e mention men-tion no laws specially AV o leave not had any questions upon tho laws relating to polygamy that can recall Ve also teach oHEJiUm e to tho lev clations of God as a roll ousduty We teach that th constitution I tfuai an tees religious freedom We teich student to obey the law3 Ve also teach them that they have tho privilege of obey lug God in their religion I believe in the revelation on plural marriage and that if the constitution had been conformed to there would have been no law against it I teach tho pupils what I believe but not all that I believe We also explain that the revelations do not require violation of law I think thai the statutes against bigamy big-amy ire constitutional I dont think plu marriage is characterized bi the tea tures of bigamy as a crime I think Con gross sought to suppress plural marriages and I think they overstepped the constitution constitu-tion In the school wo teach the free agenei of man we also teach that i is proper to seek counsel from the best sources We have not taught that it is wro to rebel against the priesthood We lureiti ibt that members of the church shot d obey the authority of the priesthood priest-hood but the may disobey if they choose I think that we should obey the instructions instruc-tions of tho president of the church in his ofneal cap icity in relation to tha I church The subject of obedience to tho priesthood is not discussed I don t teach anything I do not believe but I do not force on the pupils all that 1 do believe Therd are many topics that ale not referred re-ferred to In our college the pupils are from fourteen to thirty years of age I am tvventv seven je jrs old In regard to the kingdom of God I do understand that it is setup at ai I understand it is the mission mis-sion of this church to prepare for tho king dom of God but to do so that it is hot necessary for them to exercise tom poT authority I have read the ser moti3Vf the leaders of the church but have not seen aui declarations mat tne Kingdom of God is set up without modifications of those declarations I understand that when the principles of righteousness taugh t by tho church shall prevail then the king dom will be established Bu in tho scuso of a kinldom itis the teaching that it is not set up To the oourt When Christ comes and reigns then the kingdom will ba estab Iisncd it cannot be a kingdom yet because there is no king To Dickson Tho president of the church is not ue icpresentative of the knu in temporal matters I believe that when Christ comes He will hold control in tel poral matter and that all men who work righteousness w ill aid in contro1 hat the priesthood holds no control in inpDral matters but in spiritual matters I do not believe that the prieshood hav e tho right t control men in all temporal matters I dont think the president has a right to detect absolutely m all temporal matters A doctrine to that effect is foreign to mv undrstand o 1 never hive understood that they have a right to dictate in all matters I have studied the teachings of the authorities of the church To B isun We teach the pupils that there is a distinction between plural md celestial marriage We designate no revelation reve-lation as the one on polygamy We have one on the eternity of the marriage covenant coven-ant We teach that tho revelations in the Doc ino and Covenant mire divine anti this Delude j the icvclatbu on celestial marriage Plural m uri ILO is not giver asa as-a command t the church huteelestial mar impels Plural marriages in tho church are celestial marriages but celestial mar liagcs arc not all plural marriages I be hove that a deception or fraud is a neces sTO characteristic of bigamy I under uid then was no law in 1841 against a man marrying two wives unles he prac tired fraud I understand now that there arc laws against polygamy in existence I ar polygmy do not consider that our system includes bigamy In the school we have not given any instructions as to whether plural marriage mar-riage should or should not be practU ed rage theJCourt the highest grade in the school these questions may come up We say that celestial marriage is binding for eternity being consummated divine au thoritv We dont explain what plural marriage mar-riage is bull understand it tomean plurality plural-ity of wives We teach that marriage can be performed as a religious ceremoui or as a perorme chi contract We dont mention plural marriage either one way or anotuer I am neither authorized nor qualified to teach plural marriage We do not understand is corrupting that teaching that plural marriage rupting the morals of the pupils because we do not teach it There has never been lawa of the any comnai ison between the government and tho doctrines of the church I believe plural marriage to be a proper coudition but have given no instruction in-struction upon it I think a young man educated ed-ucated in tho college would believe that a law which binds his conscience is unconstitutional tutional but he would not believe that such a law was not binding I would not advise the breaking of any law for I con shier a law binding until it is annulled To Dicksou believe the antipoly amy law is unconstitutional but that it is binding bind-ing I have never taupht tho children that plural marriage is right because I have not taught it at all Tho priesthood do not now control in temporal matters I have novO head ittau ht that plural marriage mar-riage of itself wi exalt anyone I believe celestial niarri igeis essential exaltation To Le Grand YoungA celestial marriage marri-age Is one consummated between a man and a woman that will be of avail in eternIty etern-ity as well as in this life This is the revelation rev-elation on celestial marriage I understand that poli gamy is not obligatory butis permissive per-missive I think celestial marriage is obligatory ob-ligatory for ex illation that is an eternal union in marriage of husband and Wife The revelation has been read in school We reelaton rea teach that marriage for eternity is necessary neces-sary We have leer t ught that polygamy is necessary We have never taught that the priesthood control in temporal matters We teach that advice in temporal matters from those who understand them isproncr mind the same as t spiritual matters I think there must be I king t a kingdom I think Christ will be king of the kingdom of God and that there will be no other ruler As to the proportion of polygamists in Utah I would say there is not to exceed one in thirty among the adult male memo hers of the chut ch bef ihihink I To Dickson think there are less than two hundred thousand people in the tern try Do not know how many Gentiles there are lo el kinI said if I needed medical adv ad-v ice I would ask one qualified to give it Baskm Is laying on of hands lor the I healing of the sick doctdne of the church The court ruled that this was improper ITo I-To Mr YoungWhen a man is I polygamist polyg-amist it is usually but a short time before his neighbors know of it I dont think it I possible to keep it secret long I know the I monogamist have the elective franchise and polygamist do not take the oath Some people do not take it from cou cien tious scruplos A man who dots not take it is usualli spotted To Dictson I have never taken nov steps t J irosccutc polygamists I eta sider it my duty to mind my oivii business lo the Court I know prominent men in the church who arc not polygamists I do understand that all tho apostles are polygamists Brigham Young John Taylor George Q Cannon J H Smith C W Penrose were lolgaimsts I understand un-derstand that Apostles H T Grant John W Tavor and A I Lund are not poli gamists Did iou never heart that Ileber J Grant had a second wife now in England Di Talma0e never did Curt toot recess until 7 t0 p m The eveuinc session was held in the fed was ml courtroom The first witness called JOSCllI SOW DAN wbo was placed on tho stand by Mr Dick son t testify to the following letter which was read to the witness bi the attornci SALT LIKE CITV Jan 21 I 87 Ye the bishop and council of the Fourteenth ward after due deliberation render < the following war aftr Ilelberton ing judgment in the case of Joseph Sowdan V Charles Williams The Interest now du imountingto fITS la to be paid on the lothd y Interest I le t f April mItt 8100 of the princIpal and t42 o interest on fcoO for six months at 1 pr rent per annum > to be pLId on the 4th day of ul 1T The remaining 5 princii al sod i2etij interest on f3lO for six i months at 10 per cent per annum to be paid on the 24th day of Jnu any 1888 ar HUUUbON SPEJlHt lii l bop THOVfAS ClKIEt8 GEUlGf Kmnr Counselors lv F SMITH Clerk WILLIAM WARt I reside in the city I first came to Utah in IsoO from England and remained a few years after which I removed to St Louis About thirteen years ago I visited the territory ter-ritory a short time and then removed to this city again recently I joined the Mormon Mor-mon church in England in 144 and remained I re-mained a member until about 1854 when I withdrew simply wrote Brigham Young a letter stating that I had changed uii views on religion I remained in Utah about two years after this and during ni > sojourn here 1 never noticed any difference in the treatment I received socially or otherwise after I severed amy connection with the church I superintended stonecutters stone-cutters mini was an architect that was my occupation Iieccivcd roy endowments but never took m oblation to avenge the blood of the prophets on the nation I am not now a member of the Mormon church To Mi Dieksou am an arclut ct I anostitized fiom the church Ui simply changing nii views I changed my belief and did not consider that tho priesthood I had any authority whatever md I wrote a letter to Brigham Young statingnii views I do notkiioiv what action was taken in the mater I took no oath to avenge tile blood of the prophets and I itont think there was auithin < jm any partot the ceremony I cere-mony which related to it Mv niemoiv is perfect true on this point I was anoint e but do not icmcmber that my light arm was anointed separately LeGrand Young then stilted that he had in important witness who had not arrived ar-rived and asked that the case be continued until Motidij morning to give time for further testimony The opposing attorney objected but the court after considerable I arguiiic nt finally conceded the request An argument was then indulged in bv I the attorneys a to who should act I s tic plaintiff mil have the opening and closing arguments The court ruled that the burden I bur-den of proof hal been on the Libel side of the house giving them tho opening and closing Adjournment was taken until Monday I morning ot tl clock at the city hall |