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Show REGENTSWO TO PROBE HOTS OF KINGSBURY University Students Protest Against Dismissal of Professors Pro-fessors and Demotion of Department Head SWEEPING CHANGES WIDELY DISCUSSED Alumni to Meet, School President Refuses to Explain Ex-plain Action, Declares He Consulted Board 1 rotestine against the dismissal of four popular university instructors and the deposing of the head of the Eng lish department of the university more than four hundred students of the TJni vers ty of Utah yesterday s gned reso lutions asking the board of regents of the state umvers ty to make a thor ough investigation of the causes for the d smiseal of the members of tho fa ltv The rcsolut ons so gned by the students had been previously adopted at a mass meeting attended by about 900 students of the umvers ty The resolutions were adopted by a r sing ote at the mass meeting a majority though a small one voting in favor of the resolution The nterest in the action of Presi dent Kingsbury in mak ng the sweeping sweep-ing changes in the faculty of the uxu versity was not b any means confined to the umv ers tj students Members of the alumni of tha university mem bers of the JegiBlatura, and other prominent residents of the city and state discussed the situation informally esterdav and expressed themselves as eager to learn all of the facts connected w th the case At the meeting of the Rotary club a resolut on was presented calling for the apoomtment of a committee to inv esti gate the changes at the un versity The resolution was tabled as the mem bers of the club wished to learn more of the situation before taking action hot a Board Action Members of the board of regents said last night that the board had not considered the dismissal of the in structors that the matter was wholly in the hands of President K ngsburv and that it had never been before the board of regents President Kingsbury last night de clined to make publie the reasons for notifying A A Knowlton associate profe sor of physics George C Wise associate professor of modern lan guages C W Snow and Phil C Bmg mbtruetors in Engli h that after this year the r services will not be re quired by the umvers ty Ne ther would ho make publ c his reasons for removing Professor George1 M Mar shall from h s position as head of the English department of the university Pres dent Kingsbury said that he had given the members of the faculty affected h s reasons for his act on and he was perfectly willing that they should make these reasons public The five professors affected by the pres dent s act on sa d last n ght that as yet the pres dent had not given them any specific reasons for his act on It is probable that some of those affected will pet t on the board of regents for a hearing before the case is finally settled Has the Authority Members of tl e board of regents said last n ght that It as c early within the pro lnce of President I ngsbury to rec ommend sucl c anges in the facu ty of the u versity as he saw fit Tl e presl dent they said, alwavs nominated the nen bers of the facu ty and the board of regents either confirmed or rejected the nominations The n en bers of the faculty are o b hired for one j ear so that the ter ns of those men bers affected by the president s action exp e tb s jear and the acton the recents said merely was a notlfl cation that he would not renominate the n. Pre Ident JCingsbury sa d that before tak ng any action w th reference to t ese n e nbers of the faculty he had conferred with the committee of regents 1 a Ing jur sd ctlon o er the school of arts and sciences of the un ers ty This co nm ttee con lsts of v. W Riter Vfal dema an Cott and Antl o H. Cund Mr "v ai Cott was not reached last nlgl t Mr Riter and Mr Lund said that the con n Ittee on tl e scl ool of arts and sciences had not been consulted by Presi dent K ngsbury wl h reference to these nstructors Mr Lund said how e er that he 1 ad been gl en to understand that these instructbrs lad not been In 1 armony with Pres dent K ngsburv and his po cles Board Member Talks Major R W Young of the board of regents said that he tl ought peop e were becom ng u dulv exercised over the ac t on of Pres de t Kincsburv Vs 1 e un ders ood it two of the professors to be d opped we . not o a o the pre ide and two vere 1 eff c e He said oo that the quest on of econom had entered (Continued on Page Eleven.) REGENTS ASKED 10 PROBE ACTS of miw University Students Protest Against Dismissal of Professors Pro-fessors and Demotion of Department Head (Continued fiom Page One) Into the sltuat on and bj the changes some nones Tould le saved the state The reduction In ra k of Professor Mar una 1 he ea d 1 e be le ed was lue to t e (act that President Krngsbu was ab e to secure tie sen Ices of Piofessor O J P widtsoe whom he considered more efficient for the position of head t the the department or English The fact that tl o four members of the facultj to be dropped and the one who la to be Teduced In rank are all non MOTtnons and the fact that t e on 7 person jet announced as an addition to the faculty Is a leader In the Mormon bureh and an Instructor In a church school have caused a great deal of com ment Son e profess to see In the changes announced by President Kings bury aif attempt to rep aes the non Mor mon members of the faculty with mem bers of the dominant dhurch Th s charge Is sorous y denied bj Pre dent IsJngsbun and bj several members of the board of regents Al L.und and Mr Rl er were particu arly en phatlc In declaring that poltt cs and re lglon ne er had been a d ever wou d be considered in the se ectlo of tl e members of the facu ty of the unlver s 3 Eastern Man Considered The said further that an eas ern man a non Mormon was be ng cons dered for one of the positions made acant by d opp ng the fou professors named Professor Marshall who s deposed fron the head of the department of 13oglish was reticent about d acusslng t e s tuation President Kingsbury said that he thought ien highly of Mr Mar shall s ability and was working to pro-tect pro-tect 1 s nterests Professor Marshall he sa d would be retained at h s pres ent sa arj and would be given the t tie of honorarj professor of Engl sh Pro esor O J P Widtsoe1 however he said would be n full charge of the English department and Professor Marshall will be under Professor W ldtsoe At present Professor W dtsoe s prln crpal of the 1 Igh school department of the Latter dav baints university He is regarded among edu ators as a man of h gh s holarsh p and exceptional abilltv Howe er educators suggest that it Is somewhat strange that one whose teach ing eTper ence has been confined to h gh schools should have been selected fo the head of an Important departn ent of j nlvers ty nstn ction espec allj In v ew of the faot that 1 e rep aces Professor Marsha 1 w ho is conceded to be one of the ablest Eng 1 professors in the oou try Marshall s Record Professor Marshall 1 as been at the head of the English department of t e nlvers ty for twenlj three years. He Vls a graduate of Cornell and took a post graduate course at Hanard 4.t Cornel Profesor Marshall graduated with the j highest honors Pur ns- n fl col ege days at Cornell Professor Marshall won every honor save the Jut or and senior ora tions and took second rank in those In Engl s history and pol tlcal econ o ny he captured all of the sqholarsh p prizes Professor Widtsoe Is a. native of Utah and a graduate of Harvard receiving a master a degree- from that college He has long been active In educat onal and church work In l,tah Professor TiVldt soe is bishop of t t N neteentl ward in this city A ear ago he was an actl e andldate for pr nc pal of one of the Salt Lake City high schools The .four n embers of the faculty who are not to-be re e ected a e comparatively joung men but they are possessed of high scholarsh p and are Eatd to have bi-en very efficient instructors They have been very popular with the stu dents A men ber of the unlvers t fac ulty who for obvious reasons declined to a low h s name to be used In con nection with the matter said last night that the dism ssal of these men was a mvsterv to the members of the faculty He said the ranked with the best In s ructors at the inst tution that the r work had been Inspiring and that they had been unswerving In their loyaltj to the pres dnt of the institut on View of Students This lew is e Idently that taken by many of t e students of t e unlversltj It s reflected in the resolut ons adopted jesterday at tie n ass meeting of the students The reso t ons which were s gned bj a arge n Vnber of the stu dents fol ow Honorable Menbern of the Board of Rege ts of tl e Un vers ty of Ijtah Ge tlemen Whereas We the un oers gned students regard the ser ices of Professors Know ton Mar shall and Vi Ise Snow a d Bing as of great -(alu to the University of Ltah and Whe eas The president of the Lni erslt of Utah has seen fit to re n ove tl ese men fro ther present pos tlons thereby njur nc the edu at onal e fare and progress of t 0 students of the Uni er6lty of Utah and of the people of this statue and 1 ereas The pres Ien has gl en 0 satisfactory reason for t e "e n o al of the abo e n entloned me therefo e be It Hesol ed That we o u der slg ed students of the 1. ers of Utal st onfcli d sappro.e of t e preside t s action in the abo e cases and pet tion the board of egen s o n est gate the reasons and no i es for the ren o -al of these nen a d mal e pub ic t e resul 1 of sa d est gat on Alumni to Meet The c anges n the fac ts of t! e u 1 e s 1 w 1 probably be discussed on TTr daj ght at a meet ne of the Unt ers ty A um 1 assoc at on to ba he d at t e cltj and cou ty bu Id ng Tl e n eetlng has bee 1 cal ed by Oscar Carlson president of the assoc atlon for the purpose of recommend ng to the go ernor nan es of persons for n embers of t e board of regents The ter s of s x of the regents e p re tl is jear and there is one acancy to be fl ed It is n ore than likely that tl e n eml ers of the asso elation vi 1 d sc as the situation at the unlvers ty occi sloned bj the action of the president President IClngsb rv jesterday was urged to gi e his reasons for the dls missal of the four momDeis of the un ers ty facu ty and for the red et on in rank of Professor Marsha 1 but 1 e de c ned to do so He said 1 tlink it woud be wrong to make pub lo tho reasons for n y ref sal to recommend Professors Knowitoi and Wise and Instructors B ng a d S ow for reappo ntment It might harm them It is tl elr p ace to te 1 the publlo t e reasons If they wlsl not n lne I do this thing because I be 1 e e tn Pile t y that It is for t e good of tl e institution I ha e donehis of my own lnltia tire No political or church lnflu ence has influet ced me as some ru mors m ght Indicate I might add In this connection that I am an lnde pendent thinker and ha e no church connections I have entered politics at t mes solely for the purpose of be loflt (ng as I tl o ght the entire people For such a reason I was a men ber In th s state of the o d Lib eral party which was a no Mormon organ zat on In con menting on the neeting of un ers ty students yesterday afternoon P es dent Kingsbury said he thought it was conducted in a highly d gnifled man ner and that 1 e was not at a 1 d spleased with it Students Speak At the n eetlng of t e s denls Leslie Frazer pres ded He also spoke in f avor of the adoption of the resolutions. Others who spoke in fa or of the reso ut ons were Will am Argj e David Evans and M rray MeCartv Earl Sk dmore presl dent of the student bod opposed the adoration of the resolut ons The attitude of the students was also Indicated b an artic e which appeared In the T. nlvers ty Chronicle pub shed by the students of the co lege This article asserts that the students genera ly be 1 eve that the four profe sors were dropped because of a run or wl ch gained some circu at on that a movement v,as started to remove Pre ident Kingsburj and that t ese four professors with oth erx e e behind the mo en ent Editoria ly the Chronicle dec area that the dls n ssal of the these professors Is absolutely unjust flab e It a so says The oneplea-lng feature in con nect 0 wit the d imlssal of Dr Knowlton Profes or W se Mr Bing and Mr now from tl e faculty is the indignation which it 1 as aroused on tl e campus and down to vn The t n e las come for Tjta to demand t at free thought free speeech and pro gres ve ideas be encouraged rat er than forbidden the stude t body and in the facul Consulted Committee Pre dent Ktngsbt r sarid lat e dd not bring tl e matter before the board of regents but that he had consulted with Mr Rlter Mr Lund and Mr Van Cott of tl e comm ttee on t e school of arts and sciences wi h reference to tl s ac tlon before notifj ng t 0 members of the faculty affected Mr El er said So far as I know the members of the board of regents were not con bu ted by Mr Klngsbu re atlve to h s action I knew nothing of it This was natural for it Is not wit In the province of the board of regents to elect men bers of t e faculty ex ept on the recommendation of the p e dent. Our posi ion s analogous to that of the state senate The governor appo nts and the senate rejects or confirm In our case 1 e president of the university nominates the mem bers of O e facu ty and our duty Is either to confirm or reject The terms of the four men affected In th s case expire wit the c ose of this school 3 ear The were not d s charged Tl e were n ere notified by Preside t K nusbur' t at 1 e did not Intend to renominate them I want you to saj for me that -nei ther po ltlcs no re e on Is e er con s dered in mak ng ny appointments to the university facu t or in any other n atter affecting t e un ers ty I do not even know the pol Hcs and re glon of a I of tl e other members of t e board and oft on y a few of the facultj Lund Interviewed Mr Lund said The con mlttee o e school of arts and sciences has not considered the changes announced at tl e unlversltj Pres de t Kingsbury as aut oritv to act wltl out consu t ng the comn ttee and we have co fidence in 1 is judto n ent As I understand he 6 tuat on the change Is to be nado because these men are not in har nony with the pres oe t and his pollc es The fact that these n en are no Mormons and Mr Widtsoe who ts to be appo nted Is a Mormon Is mere y an accident Hel gton and po Itrcs a e never cone dered As a matter of fact I understand an eastern man a non Mormon wl 1 be nan ed to take tl e p ace of one of these men In tl s connection Major R "( Toung also a member of the board of regents said I am sure the pub lc w 1 be satis fled when it learns the entire sltua on and w 11 ot become ex tel over t e matter President K gsbury in forn s me that 1 e has ma ed to the p ofesso s affected wr tten s aten ents of t 0 reason for I Is act on th ref erence to then Tl e are free to make know n the reasons g ven by tl e pres dent It hey care to do so Absuid Suspicion The suplc on t at t e were ds c arged because hej were non Mor n ons and t at t e are to gi e way for Morn on Instructors Is too absurd to cons der Joth ng cou d be fur ther from the tru 1 I u derstand that two of the p -ofesso s were d s loval and t at two e e Inefficient I understand also that bv the change the vork ma be consolidated and one man saved therpb effecting an econo y In adm n stra 0 I unders and that In the ase of Professor Mara all the change was made because Mr K ngsbury believed that e ad found a more efficient man fo t e ead of the department. Professor Marsha owever Is to be reta ned n the Eng sh depart e t w th the tl e of honorarj profe sor of 1 g s a d he wl receive the same sa ar as non f e agitators an 0 g the students at the nlveislt w o Insp red t e artic es I the Chro Icle and worked up the mass meeting I understand wee surpr sed at t e loja ty to President Kingsbury eldenced at the mass meet ng The ote on t e reso 1 t ons was so e en that t n g t a e l pe decided ether Aa P es de K gsb r s a o es m but e a 1 v effl nt H a work s bee o e h ghes sand a adt leo s eft r a c Ln ers t of Ijta ow an p as h gh as t loes e pd at o a w or d He as bee a o e fa t f s d t es a 1 e as to en e susotnee do la approp a e1 o t n s nfi o a a e e an of s ate Da d Ma so bot members of t o boa d of regen s said ast nig t that he ad not bee advised as to t o situ a o t c un vers tj Bot sa 1 t at T e dent K ngsbury as c earlj with n Is r g t n making anj anges t at see ned o h n to be of benefit to tl e nst t tio Snow Makes Statement Professor Sno dictated a stateme t of s derstand ng of the changes as fol ow s Pres dent K f gsbury exp alned to me tl s honng hs reasons for not recom nendlng me to a position net year The in en lew took place In the office of Professor D R Allen and Mr Al en was p eBent Dr Kings bury said fl st hat he desired to give the debat ng vork of tho uni ersity to D O II nt He sa d he bo leved that Mr Hurit was more ab e and more con petent to hand e t e de bating work t an I Second 3 ho said that 1 e had decided to appoint a View man to tl e head of the Eng 1 department and he wanted that newl appointed head to have a free otn in 1 e recon mendatlon of his subord nates He did not accuse ne of dl oyalty to the Inst tution He said that with n the last fe v dajs 1 e had heard It rumored that I 1 ad incited the stu dents against 1 m persona y and asked me whet er the rumor were true Denial Is Entered I told lim that just tie contrary was true That I had learned of some incendiary posters denouncing his ac tlon which were to be posted up In town on Sumday night and had ued mj personal influence against tl e sc erne The posters were not put up I told him that I had many warm personal friends an ong the strongest men of the ni erB ty and that I had urged them to avoid all personal e om and to olee tl cir protests In a d ginif ed and impersonal ma ner I have given you every point n ade In he ntervlew He treated me In as courteous a manner aa anjone cou d des re and I feel that we came away understanding eac other better I have made no p ana for the future Notified by Telephone Profesor Marsl all said last night that t e fi st lntlmat on of t e action he had had in h s case was last Monday morn ing He added Pres dent K ngsbun ca led ne on e te ephone Monday n ornlng and not fled me that at the close of this earIwoudno longer be the head of the Engl sh department I was also to d that I cou d remain as a pro feasor in the depa tment Pr Kings bury said he could not d scus the question over the telephone and sug gestcd that 1 e wou d UK the matter 0 er with me at my le sure So far 1 have not had an opportunity of seeing 1 im Of course tn the ab sence of ani definite exp anatlon f om Dr I gsbUT I am not In a position to make any staten ent as to my fu ture action Professoi Bing Is Frank Professor B ng was exceeding y f ank in 1 Is d scuss on of t e quest on He said The first I heard of the proposed changes as last Tl ursday I w as oal ed to the pres dent s office and Dr I lngsbury ea d There are to be some changes in the Eng sh de partment next 3 ear "We wont need I asked hi n for an exp anatlon and he sa d he had no e to make I to d bin that Justice woud demand borne sort of an exp anatlon where pon 1 e said the change was for the gooc of t e inst t on Today he aga n ca led me to h s off ce and said that Professor "Widtsoe would be the ead of the Eng is department next ear and as sue wou d ha e the right of nomination and If I cared to I ou! 1 n ake app ication I to d t e pres dent t at I had not made any Spp cation for my place for next year before he 1 ad dlnm seed ne last week and certainlv d d not propo e to make an app Ication to Dr "V id soe whon T do not know and who does not know 1 e I shal of course ea e the un ers ts at t e e d of th s ear I ha e ot jet de term ned 3 future p aua Reasons re Demanded Professor Know, ton declared that he 1 ad rece ved but 1 tt e Infom atlon con cernl g s d sc arge He sa d The wloe thing Is wel known as far as It Is known Dr Kingsbury hae gl en me no specific statement He sent for me last Thursday and nformed me that I wou d not be re tained next year I asked hi w 3 and e ga e me no reason I vent to h s off ce esterdas and ad a fif teen n nute con ersation with 1 m on t e subject 1 tl e co rse of which 1 e to d ne 1 was Igt out because I had been workng against him I ga e m several aources of In format on fron w lch le can lean t at the Opposite Is the true e tua t on What I wa t and shall insist upo is that definite charges be fl ed aga n6t n e In order that I may pre sent a defense Of course f Dr Ki igsbury w 1 not gl e me spec fie c arges I sha take p the natter w th the board of regents Tells of His Interview P ofessor n se deta ed 1 Is Interv ew wi Dr Ungsburs and" dec ared that 1 e had been d sralssed because of al eged ork e 1 ad do e agal st the I stitu Hon He said I was al ed to t e pres de ts of flee on Monday wl en a oral state ment was made to me at some length by Dr I gsbun Tl e substance of h s emarks was that I 1 ad made sta ements derogatory to the unlver s ty I asked h m to g ve n e a spe c f c case and s replv In substajice was that he ould not do t I am sa sfled ho vever of vat e refers to In nv c asses in n odem history it has lo been the custom especial ly with the c asses n Freno and German 1 story 0 d scuss those th ngs perta nlng to he life manners c s oms and ns tut ons of he peo pew ose h s orv was be ng st d ed In tl esc classes d scuss ons 1 ave a sen h t 0 s tut ons of Cermany a d France were compared It Instltu lo s n tl Is counto and oftU es var ous i st tut ons n this count especia y as referr g to he east a d west, ha e been compared Results Are Discussed For I stance we ha e compared E opean universities w th those in th s co ntrv and spec flcal wi t e Un ers y of Ltah Or we n g t compare some one of the easter schoo s as an inst t t on w th the I ers ty of Uta as a 1 st tut 0 W t al d e respect to h In er sltv of Utah a d wit all frankness to m c asses one must adn ha such compa lsons are not fa orable to th s scl ool How e er one shou d ake into cons derat on the age of t e t ni ers ty of Utah and the fact that t s a growing Inst tution that t has an advantageous loca ion and t at the fou da tlon augurs ve 1 for the future Tl ese things w ere alwaj s mpressed 0 my c asses I 1 a e alwa s held and still bel eve that tl ese d sc ss ons 1 ave bee constructive and not destruct ve Tl ev are of alue to t e s dents as ind cat ng those t lngs wh can be in proved and have not been crl l c edis for the tl lngs which ha e been or are being do e Cites Honors Conferred T ree ears ago I had a d sc ss on w t President K ngsburv on th s same subject and at that time I out ned n be ef to hi n Just as I a n do ng t ow Thifa s not a ew ng a e school I ha e taught the e fo eleven ears Dur ru, that t me I ha e been twice chosen b D K ngsbury as secreta y of the fac u t at no so c tatlon from n self I nas onlv last ear raised fron an ass sta t professorship to an assoc ate professors Ip I was one of he first men 0 work n he m vr t3 extens on dl so ad th u se of h s work an p n o h w n anv pr n pa of e p s hoo o an tes f o m oa o enes Iwasao se o ou ng d s s w e e n s n po work was o boost fo 00 Iacawas o e h wo k ha bec sa fictor s e p a annot ho ha g3 w d oat 0 wh nakgsam s a efie on he cr y |