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Show AH BUSINESS LEADERS URGE C P. DIVORCE dispute I i Rati L Richards Inti-labey Inti-labey May Feel Effects SEPARATION i Hanchett and 5ajr Divorce Will id State, fall Dispatch) ', r. i . '..SI Lit 1 be- t Bai. , r men i ommis- ' c i ' b retail the I: it he be- I rouM be po Itlca -. . c-l ' railroad I Gthts stat a id lie icar-Charlcs icar-Charlcs K. Mab.-y would r. a.von of his activity I b S Uteres! - the hi . on.' . iJimn expert Iri trieal ngln-JJj ngln-JJj : !.,. Fy ' JT!f- w i'l' 5 put- i OR SEPAR M l 1 lr presid( m of l be Salt : rrcial club and E. O. How- ' k; of the I'tah ull Refin- I ij. all went on record as i carolDfe oui of the su-l su-l mandati I i n ' l the Southern Pacific, itiken with tin I hickett, traffi experl a imn erclal clu who . pnpporter of the Soul I l'i clu ':.. to thi Ituatlon . n faulty. iRDS ON -1 IX D IL 1; .i m BJlfaitiv. 'l Sugar eompan . Mwda l,. 'i. Mm int. r- fcree commission In o si- tppiicatl the Soul hern pr.y for tenipon leusc l PlLlflr Ml lm, r, . , ? ,.f h ,, . liYo wil t i sut,s. .d 1 H Is petition." said L I 'use my t one luslon in LV'D follow ing n i. . PJEES HI XKFITS W u conclusive t hi pBprfnie court thai It K ,M 1 . .t) !i'...r i ransportatlon on storing for Itsell v. !,. . . I ft carriage ol fn ight moves eat ward, or the shorter iin of Cen-Inllroad Cen-Inllroad un.l It; connei P 1 n mui h lot Southern rout.-r rout.-r ' !' ''" . la particularly I' Int. r.-st of o 1 .11. Ml, ... I at while Jln hi. i r . - i . ; ; i i it ,i, east rttlai PwlBElh- deel:ir.-, on nan-Frt nan-Frt sltll -xlsiv i n this L'jwion Is thoro ighly i on-P on-P testimony of Mr. L J. FbLffi Ulls ,"-arlnr The y-'ic dllverted from the fc,', nav bei n redui t t,.;';; hu . .Thiinl; not LT the South.rn Pan tic I Uincirn"d 1 regard Ita I j l ? ot vry gn at trn- 5S?"- nt.tiis , 'f.i. ,,. ,,,,, ,,, ,,M . , . I'-'t,'f''' us lr. Say1"" because 1 believe 1 l'teteMa!f'n1',nllv it would 1 er,n,n,"s-'1 fatherlrh; fai II- IhoMii ,rr"ln"" of IUs ,ln, I W rit '"' lh" beneflclar-" beneflclar-" 1 'ded that Itf si p. i It . 1So"t rn laclfle I m to r rnpox' rl;,llo,J and B1 hrlth r :,s (rtu k"--" mJVrfi :,n'1 diBtrll.ute mtrL' ,n 'lovclop-C 'lovclop-C to' ln ' ' ''' Kni. ln,Prvf,nlnK t.r- "!' ni,r,h JSMt 1U fsPftlve v,;iH rna.h tr. r, .1 BI1 """"Jny which JWbuh U' whlch ,llf' TO of "i1? u,at one very vlBg ,hl8 i S'"K ?! na v 00 ''e Two I J Group of Leading Business ' Men Say C. P. Divorce Will Upbuild Utah and Its Neighbors 1 j (Continued from Page One.) ! holdings. It would seem, to a lay-i lay-i man at least, that any disposition of , the Central Pacific which Is not In the strictest harmony with the supremo court's decision must, of necessity, continue tho cloud which has so Ion prevented much needed betterments I j to the line. LINK JHSTANCKS COMPARED 4. "If the petition now pending- l denied, I recognize the possibilities or acquirement of the Central Pacific by the Union Pacific Railroad company, either by purchase upon the enforcement enforce-ment of a decree or by subsequent grouping of I. C. C. and I welcome such a prospect. "From my understanding of haul and territory served 1 do not regard the Central Pacific as being naturally competitive with the Union Pacific lines to the northwest and southwest, Of Bait Lake, so that I should not feel the control of the Central Pacific by the Union Pacific would stifle any helpful competition with its other lines last mentioned, nor would I fear the i so-called dominion of l'nlon Pat IflC system so enlarged by acquisition of ' tho Central 1'aclflc. "Much testimony had been given at this hearing to show the incalculable j II benefit to the state ol California, re- I suMIng from the unified o i present Southern Pacific system with its immense traffic swinging upon and I around certain pivotal centers In tliat j great state. ' That testimony has only served to confirm and give encouragement to opinions and areams in which I have I heretofore indulged. 1 cannot think I I hat any resident or our State or southern south-ern Idaho could be adverse to the organization or-ganization of a great railroad system with its hub in the Ogden-Salt Lake territory and its lines radiating to the east and west, to the north, northwest and southwest, making it practically certain the economical administration of such a system would dictate the section of our own principal cities as the center of operations. "Reference had been made ro-' peatedly to the preference which' I would likely uc Known iur we ijh haul to the east of OgS-r. An analysis J of distance, however, shows that tho Omaha lines are only about 200 miles longer than the California lines to tho west and that the Kansas City -line Is less than 400 miles longer tli m the California lines, and further that tho total mileage of all Union Pacific lines west and north ol Ogden, including includ-ing tho Central Pacific exceeds the I total mileage east of ugden. My lack of information on transportation matters mat-ters generally may lead me to some erroneous conclusions In this matter, it seems, but good sense however to suppose that the territory lying at tho very' heart and centci of such a system sys-tem would benefit largely from its j situation. RKLATIOXS WITH COAST. "I bear In mind the probable and very necessary' co-operation of railroads rail-roads in the development of our resources re-sources and industries and that thcro nre many indications that our own Industrial and commercial growth will In the future, more than in th. past, be allied with California int. -ests. I am sure we of the mountain I states welcome a closer intercourse i with California and desire to promote I it In every' legitimate way. In the I main. I bcllec that our interests will j be common with those of California. It Is conceivable, however, that mar-! ket and other situations may arise In which our Interests are temporarily ' at least In conflict with those of Call- i fornla. "Where our Interests are common, 1 cannot see but that it would bo to the Interest of either an Independent Central Pacific or a L'nlon Pacific controlled Central Pacific to serve us equally well as the Southern Pacific if our interest should ever be adverse It would seem self-evident that se j would be better served by an inde- pendent or Union Pacific controlled j Central Pacific 6. "It has been suggested that if the Southern Pacific remains In I domination of the Central Pacific it will Induce certain much needed cap- i Hal investments In our section of the country. I take Lt that such a suggestion sug-gestion is really beside the transporta- I tlon question, my thought being that if enterprises In our section are fos- j tered by outside capital they must of course stand on their own legs If for any reason a moving consideration considera-tion In their establishment is associated asso-ciated with transportation. If the new enterprise does not pay Its way the I public must. CXMPKTIXG QITISTION. 7. "The element of competition as j between roads seems to have been ' given a prominent, if not first place, in the consideration of this question. I assume that lt is vital but I do not! agree that lt Is entirely l ontrollng I at least in the sense that the public benefit is to be measured wholly by the largest possible degree of competition. compe-tition. I regard the Western Pacific as being a real live competitor for all business west of Ogden to central and j northern California- I do not say that an Independently operated Central Pacific or even a Southern Pacific controlled Central Pacific subject, however, to tho influence of its own competing Sunset route, might not offer a larger volume of competi- I tlon. but 1 doubt sincerely that larger olume of possible competition would! offset the advantages accruing to our I s'-ction from its central position in a larro system as I have heretofore suggested. "I should regret very much to have any observations I have mndo construed con-strued to reflect disparagement upon Hi" great Southern I'a H lc :- st r n i . It.-: officials or operatises from whom I and my associates have received many courtesies. Itr. splendid organization commands only my profound admiration, admira-tion, as does also the Union Pacific system with which In 'the development of our country wo have always heen Intimately associated. Tho issues Which arise in this instance are not of the people's making, but they do demand the people's judgment. Merely as one of public, concern cd I give my judgment for what little lt may be worth." E O. Howard, under cros-exam I nation, na-tion, stated that he had advanced the money to pay for one and t WO -page advertisements in Utah newspapers, but said that the Oregon Short Lln had reimbursed him In full. Thl statement came after Mr. Richmond had testified that ho paid for the ad-iMTtisenients ad-iMTtisenients with money advanced him jby Mr. Howard, and after he had testified tes-tified that he did not know the source of the funds. , Mr Richmond himself under cross- examination, admitted the sourco of I data contained in those advertisements, but after flatly stating that it had "come from somebody connected with the L'nion Pacific," later sought to modify that admission, and said In subsequent testimony that others had contributed also. ) The witnesses placed on the stand ; Monday all were of the "l'nlon Pacific Pa-cific group." F. C Richmond resumed the stand and was cross-exam in ed at some I length by Mr. Wood, attorney for the Southern Pacific. In answer to questions, ques-tions, h said he had been active in civic affairs in Salt Rake City for a I good many yonra. RICHMOND ON STAND. "If I gather tho correct Impression from your testimony, in your opinion that which is of chic test importance to your section of the country today is close contact Industrially and com nmrxl illv ..-tK Vi Un,.trln r . - u ?' , asked M r Wood. I "Yes," replied Mr Richmond, who added that he included Idaho, Nevada Ne-vada and Wyoming in his community He said the co.nt and the Inieriiioun-,tain Inieriiioun-,tain section are mutually dependent upon each other. "You think," continued Mr. Wood. J "the effect which the decision In this case may hive one way or the other upon that situation is the fundamental fundamen-tal factor In this case so far as Utah :1s concerned?" "Yes. I think it has a very 6trong 'bearing on the case." Mr. Richmond repeated his testimony testi-mony about the financing of tho iron 'industry of Utah by California, capl-ltal, capl-ltal, and stated that there will be a ItWO-Ilne haul on tho products of the lemelters to San Francisco. Concluding, Conclud-ing, he said that the California capitalists capi-talists have no fears of a two-line haul IRON PRAM 11 DISC 1 SSJ3D Mr. Wood asked witness how long .the owners of , the Iron mines, the 'California capitalists, wore in getting the consent of the Union Pacific to ! undertake the building of a branch 'line from Lund to the mines, and from .that point to the smelters. The wlt-zress wlt-zress did not know exactly, but thought ill might have been six or seven i months. "Do you know they wore not able to ;get the consent of tho Union Pacific at all until they finally told the Union l'a-'clfic l'a-'clfic officers that if the Union Paclfio Idid not build lt, they would?" asked Mr. Wood. "No." replied Mr. Richmond. "I am not an officer of the Union Pacific, and I do not know." I Mr. Richmond said that L. F. Rains 'Is the Utah representative of the peo-j peo-j pie who own and aro developing Ihe Iron mines. Answering a further inquiry, in-quiry, he acknowledged receiving a letter from Mr Rains about two months ago stating that he was very much in sympathy with the Southern Pacific viewpoint He added that it ;was Mr. Rains who Interested the California Cali-fornia capitalists In the Utah iron development. de-velopment. He assumed that the California Cali-fornia capitalists backing this development deve-lopment were strongly in favor of the 'Southern Pacific. BANCHEFET FOR U P. j Lafayette Hanehett. president of the Utah Power & Light company took the ; stand in opposition to the granting of the Southern Pacific petition "I believe denial of this petition 'wou,ld best serve the public Interest.' I he declared. "The public interest of Utah demands operation of a railroad from the Pacific coast to the lnter-j lnter-j mountain country that Is not under 'the domination of any transcontinental I railroad. Such an arrangement Is the I only one that will give us the full bene-fits bene-fits of Panama canal competition." I Mr Hanehett Introduced an entirely entire-ly new angle Into the Central Pacific situation when, as an expert engineer and power man, he advanced the Idea that the Central Pacific, once lt became be-came Independent, should operate electrically elec-trically over Its mountain grades He pointed to the countless undeveloped water power sites of California and Other States traversed by this road, water power which. If harnessed, could furnish all the power for operating trains over the Central Pacific and thus not only afford cheaper motive power which would b translated into lower freight rates, but would also effect ef-fect a great saving in fuel. He said lUtah has a vital Interest in an Independent Inde-pendent Central Pacific, further be- cause the electrification of the Cent r 1 1 Pacific would give Utah mines an opportunity op-portunity to supply the copper for new Installation. HOW ARD ON STAND. John C. Howard of Salt Lake Cit. president of the ptah Oil Refining company made a brief statement to the commission, in which he not only advocated enforcement of the supreme court decree, but addd his personal opinion, "that it would be decidedly advantageous to the Central Pacific and the territory served by that road If the Central Pacific were consolidated consolidat-ed with the Union Pacific." In the course of his testimony John C. Howard How-ard said. "After investigating this case and after discussing the matter with many of the principal business men of Utah Colorado and Nebrasku, I am of the opinion that the transportation system of the Pacific slope and lntermoun-taln lntermoun-taln territory would be in a very much sounder position if the Central Pacific woro separated from the Southern Pacific. Pa-cific. especlall as lt relatesto the transcontinental line running from Ogden to San Francisco via Rose-ville. Rose-ville. The final Utah witness to testify yesterday. Stephen L. Richards or Salt i Lake, was the only witness so far to j Intlmato to the commission that the' pending controversy over the Central; Pacific may have political consequences conse-quences to some who have been par-1 tlclpatlng. He intimated that Governor Gover-nor Mabey and others who have taken Bides may yet pay the price for their; activity. Mr. Richards disclaimed speaking for the concerns with which he Is con-nected, con-nected, and said he spoke only for himself. Me declared the commercial and state organizations of Utah have ; reacted to propaganda put before1 them by two railroads vitally Interested Interest-ed in thla controversy. "I think lt will have a very Important Import-ant bearing In some public affairs, much to my rogret, ' said Mr. Richards- "I think tho governor of our state, who has authorized the ap- j 'pearance hero of certain state agenclc-B i to give opinions, irrespective of the ! merit of their opinion, has subject-' led himself to no inconsiderable crltli -I Ism, to such an extent, perhaps, that that criticism may affect his own j political career." |