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Show LANSING GIVES HISTORY OF THE FRENCH TREATY WASHINGTON. Aug. 6. Secretary I Lansing before the senate foreign relations re-lations committee today expressed the 'opinion that the Shantung province of the peace treaty did not square with President Wilsons enunciated prlnei pie of self-determination, but maintained main-tained that Ih" treaty as a whole carried car-ried out "substantially" the president's fourteen points. Declaring his unfamiliarlty with many details of the peace negotiations and of the treaty itself, the secretary told the committee, he was unable to answer many of its questions and reminded re-minded senators in answering others lhat be merely was expressing his own j personal views. "As the president," the secretary said when pressed irr details of the shantung and league of nations ncgo-iatlons ncgo-iatlons On three of the points rm I he asked permission to refresh his memory and make n statement to the committee later and when he was r.sked for a detailed construction of tho labor arid reparations clauses he protested that he could not be expected ex-pected to retain the minutia of an SO, 000-word document in his mind and reminded the committee it was much easier "to ask questions prepared he forehand'' than to answer them off hand. Mr. Lansing said that in his opinion Japan probably would hive signed the treaty without the Shantung provision; provis-ion; that the United Slates should ask no part of German reparations; that the kaiser could not be legally tried, ; nd that the mutual guarantee of territorial ter-ritorial linear-it;' from external agrrrc--sion, as contained in article ten of the league covenant, imposed a moral ob ligation hut not a local one. The secretary said it was true lh.it the fourteen points had not been discussed dis-cussed to his knowledge in the pre paratory stages of the peaco negotiations; negotia-tions; that the American draft of th league of nations never wa "pyeSSfed". before ihe conference; that tli- president presi-dent had asked tho peace fonfereno" j not to lay before the French sena'ej the record of discust-ion. on the; league; and that the United State-, did not know of secret treaties between the allies and Japan regarding Sh.n tung vn This country by the Lar.-sing-l8hii agreement recognized Ja pan's 'special interests" in China It was not trup. Secretary Landing said, that he and other racnbers of the American delegation "protested" a,rainst the Shantung settJement; tha. Ureat Britain "refused to permit" discussion dis-cussion of the freedom of the seas by the peace conference, or that any of the raerlcan expert advisers had re-Btgned re-Btgned because Lhev disagreed wi, h the decision regarding Shantung. The general basis on which the treaty was framed, said the secretary, was "common sense and general principles with an avoidance qf policy and expediency." ex-pediency." enevian records of the discussions', he told the committee, had been left in Taris addiug that he would noi favor giving to the senate the less complete transcripts in the possession of tho state department be-j causo it might cause "irritation" to other governments. Both the Shantung pro.i.-ion and ihe league covenant, the witness said, had been negotiated largely by the president presi-dent v, ho alone of 'the American dele gates would be able to reveal details Of the discussions. The secretary was before the committee com-mittee during the whole of an all d.i-session, d.i-session, and although senators appai ently had finished their questioning of him when adjournment was taken to Otght, i' was ihoughl likely that other points might be broucht up when he appears again next Monday Mr Lau-sine Lau-sine asked to e given until thai time to prepare his statements in reply to Questions asked today about the Lansing Lan-sing ishii Agreement, the attitude of the United Slates toward Japan's twen-tv twen-tv one demands on China in 191 5 SO 1 what pnrt this government look toward bringing China into ihe war. WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 Questioned regarding the labor clauses of the treaty, Secretary Iansing .-aid be did not know their genesis or history and was opposed to giving "snap judgment" judg-ment" on them Senator McCuo Republican, North Dakota, said he objected ob-jected to provision! which would give ihe governing labor body power to reject re-ject delegates named by the I'm ted States mid place this count ry in an abject" ab-ject" position. Secretary Lansing said the labor provision- were advisory. "1 have yet to see anything that is compulsory on: the members.' said the Hecretary. Bringing up the Anglo-French trea-ty, trea-ty, Senal u rohnson asked al whose suggestion this treaty Was made. J "The president's." Mr. Lansing replied re-plied I don't know if il was his original or-iginal BUggeStion, but 1 Irrst heard ot it from him." Mr. Lansing said he believed ihe French treat;, merel) supplemented Article 20 of the league of naiions covenant treat inc w.th special offensive offen-sive and defensive alliances. "Could any offensive or defensive alliance be made under Article 20?" asked Senator Johnson "Yes, 1 don't think that il affects it." was the reply. Senator Johnson recalled Mr. Lan-j sing had stated that American peace commissioners went on th policy thai "expediency should not rule principle and asked whether that policy was followed as to the Shantung provision. "Not entirely, said Mr. Lansing "Was. the Shantung decision made in order to have Japan's signature to to the league of nations?" "I really haveu't the facts about that" "Could Japan's signaturo to the lrague ba.e hefn obtained without the .banning decision?" "I think so." Senator Johason suggested that had the Shantung clause pot been adopted this trtaiy and league covenant would have had another j.i;nature. "We ould have had China's,'1 Mr. Lansing agreed. "So the result was simply to lose secretary answered, adding that tho China?" suggested Senr.tor Johnson. "That is my personal view," th sec-rotary sec-rotary answered, adding that the Shan-ion Shan-ion tung provision was accepted by decision de-cision of President Wilson The Met ision was his then and not I yours?" 1 "Necessarily " Senator Johnson asked If Secretary Lansing had heard ofrciaily any rea son for the Shan'ung agreement M-Lansing M-Lansing replied negatiely. adding that he had never discussed the matter. mat-ter. witJi Colonel House Questioned in detail Secretary Lan-ing Lan-ing reafiinned his statement that the fourteen poinis were substantial!:. J carried out." Regarding the Hrst point dealln; with open covenants openly arrived ;.t he 6aid, "1 consider ihat was curried mil (if nnurftfl no negotiations can ro on between nations that are don in public or at a public hearing." Discussing the fifth point, relati.-e if) Germany's colonial possessions, he said the mandatory system would carry put the principle laid down by the president. Have any mandatories been suggested sug-gested for the United States'" Senator Sena-tor Johnson asked. "Many" "Any that the I'nited States has tentatively agreed to?" I "None." The Russian problem dealt with by the sixth poini. could not be taken up by the conference, the secretary Bald, (while the seventh and eighth relative II to Belgium and France had been carried car-ried out. The point relative to Italian border w?,s to be worked out in other treaties. The tenth, eleventh and twelfth, regarding Balkan condition, and Turkey, relative to Poland and the league, the secretary' said, he consid-carried consid-carried out. - aator Lodge quoted the principle of self-determination laid down by (President Wilson and Senator John-'son John-'son asked whether that was not violated vio-lated by the Shantung settlement? "Yes,' said Secretary Lansing. When Senator Johnson began a ser- ' j ies of questions regarding the reparations rep-arations commission the secretary pro- il tested "hat it was Impossible for him to ihe personally familiar with all the details of the treaty. r "It is much easier," said Mr. Lan- L 1 I to asS questions prepared be-forehand be-forehand than It is to answer them without, detailed preparation." While no decision had been reached as 10 the United States accepting reparation rep-aration from flermanv Secretary Lan-nz Lan-nz 5aid"he personally was opposed to it He "assumed" that was also j President Wilson's position? I MM ussing the obligations assumed under articles ten by which the league jj B mi mbers n-reed mutually to guarantee h other's territorial integrity against external aggression, Mr, Lan- I .np -aid he presumed "in honor we would have to follow out the general i purposes embodied in that article" though he thought there would be no H 1 "Jegal obligation." He said the cove-nan' cove-nan' wenl nn fun her than the Panama j treaty in that regard and that the word . res 8 ion was a very important part of the artlple I "The word carries ihe implication of a wrongiul act," continued the secretary. secre-tary. "A mere invasion of territory would not necessarily be aggression. You might invade a territory to pro- ' iH tect your own nationals." ' ; I |