Show THAW TA flouTs FiGHTS 1118 VERBAL YERBAL DUEL DUL WITH P CT JEROME Makes a Splendid Witness in His Own Be Says lie fie Believes Jury Acquitted Him Dim Because White Deserved Ills Fate White Plains N Y i I K Thaw took the witness stand todaY for examination In the proceed proceedIngs proceedings Ings which ho he has In the of ef effort fort to secure his release from rom the asylum for the criminal Insane Tha Thaw w turned to kIss hIs aged mother molher as a ho strode proudly to the stand stan Then he settled hack back In the witness chair and In a low but steady voice hogan began his duel with District Attorney Jerome His YeT very first statement made madea a sensation in the court room roomI I belIeve ho said that ip in acquitting ac quitting quilting me inc the was largely In by br tho belief that Stanford I White deserved hIs fate Another reason I was acquItted he continued was I believe because i the attorneys on both sides told th I jury that 01 roy act was caused b by certain alit tain delusions Then District Attorney Jerome Jeromo be besan began san gan You are a gentleman and an edu educated educated man he asked The witness nodded You believe that a gentleman should defend nd his honor Yes sir And If you ou committed art an act In tho I defense ns of your our honor would you ou con skier yourself justified In cOI committing perjury to escape the consequences i of your our act I No replied the thc witness shaking his head The dIstrIct attorney abandoned this attack and spoke of hypnotism DId you ou ever take lessons or of a hypnotist 7 They could hardly be called les lessons sons said Thaw smiling 1 talked with one four or five fie times DId you ou over oer think that Stanford White exerted a hypnotic Influence oer over Miss Evelyn esbIt From her remarks I thought such sucha n a th thing Ing possible At least lenat ho certain Ir hy had a very ory strong Influence over oer i her Speaking or of Anthony Comstock Tha Thaw said half apologetically since my arrest afraid J I had aI any Interest in hIs work Jerome Torome Thaw at length on testimony given at the tho trIal regarding Tha s alleged hallucination that a number of if little girls were locked up in the jan jail wh re he was confined when whon first arrested I rubbish said Thaw I Then did ou dominated by this idea of noblesse oblige allow altow Mr Lit Thaws Thas attorney to put this In evidence I told him not to but bitt he Insisted on I IU using It U Up to this Thaw had acquit acquItted ted lf weli weH and his lawyers alienists and relatives glances or of congratulation Did sour our wife reproach OU for women regarding whom Mrs rs Merrill testified and sy sw ohio ho could got et a divorce on that ground Anti And did you t tell 11 her hor that she could not asked Mi 11 Jerome I Are io r you willing that wo we should her here as a witness against you ou hesitated anti and his attorney In Interposed an objection declaring that he Insisted the privilege or of the domestic relation under which ho hG could keep Evelyn eln Nesbit Thaw off the stand Thaw agreed with the view sies of his attorney dont YOU let hor appear Because retorted Thaw w Ive Ie I I I I i I I i I seen a good man sorts of youve brought hero here Did yoU ever eer write n a letter to your our wife nn an Improper dray draw In ing asked Mc Ir Jerome On objection of Thaws Thas counsel the tho question was not and a legal lesal tilt took place between counsel r ro Mr 11 right to Intro Introduce duce ucc a letter written b by Thaw to his wife Mr Ir for Thaw Tha insisted d that letters between a husband and wife were sacred and confidentiaL Justice Mills postponed his ruling and the th letter was held up for the pres present lent lentI ent left lert the stand for a few mo moat moments ments at this point to let hIs put pitt on Peter n B Oloe Olney a member of the sanity commission whose report was ns presented In April 1907 When Vh n Thaw resumed Mr 1 Jerome questioned him about his life lIe at Mat lat toa wan The witness said ho he was In a ward ard with lunatics n D you believe you have hae always been sane sanel l I have always been sane medical Jr Is C Could uld a 11 ger ten tell In min minI mm I tiles ules conversation whether or not you ou ouI were craz crazy I Yes tr if lie he were accustomed to ox ex examine amine antine lunatics How about DI Evans Ean lie He said at your first trial that you ou were afflict od with delusions Dr Evans replied Thaw after a little thought was misled lie He wa told by br l Mr r Jerome and those con connected an anI with his office that everything I I Sail said was untrue I While Jerome Jeromo addressed the court courton on a legal point Thaw calmly pol his spectacles He a I triumphant smile at his counsel awl well vell satisfied Could not a l matter r of private judice to lie tho peoples attorney the district whether this man Is confined or 01 nl a aWe We Ve are only trying to t the c n it science nc of the court its tie cl fon Jerom asked Thaw wh why ho he did not Dr Allan AHan cLane to examine him bun nt at the tune time the d e elor lor br was retained b by his attorneys I did not like his looks r replied Thaw What did you not like about aboUl th them m mOh Oh i l just like them lie He was like Dr Fell Who Vho was Dr Fell asked Jerome T VIt VI dont you ou know do not I rou you Dr Fell i II the tho reason wh I cannot tell replied the tho n smiling The dIstrict dropped thu line of questioning J Were you Oll ever eer Insane asked askeLl Je Jerome Jerome rome I 1 may have been at one time for a afew few moments Vere you craz crazy when you kIJ Sl White I think I was legally crazy but Inlay I lie he mistaken Do 00 you think you did a wicked fl thing In killing him himI I 1 doThen do I Then Thun why dId lil you kill him Proba h for fot what hat he to m my wife To your wife alone Principally I Were you Jealous I could not say that I was ns j joal Otis OilS Did you have a feeling o of bitter Continued on Page Five Fc THAW FIGHTS HIS VERBAL DUEL WITH DISTRICT ATTORNEY J JEROME EROM E I Continued from Pago One personal enmity towards him or did you YOli think ho he Was the hind of creature that thal over every decent man was justified In omit of the way There is no such thing IlS as a man that every evory decent man should put out of the lie way Asked a again ln why he be killed White Thaw replied Really I do not know Thaw said his own choice of nn an at torne for his first trial was Cover Gover Governor nor Hughes because the tho jury jure would know l nos that any an witness he put on the stand would bo be truthfuL Jerome reviewed Thaws frequent change chang of counsel The witness explained that his dis clis disagreement agreement wIth the linn firm of Black Gru her ber Olcott was lime duo to their deter determination ruination to try to acquit him on the tho ground ot of Insanity when ho he knew ho was not ITo He reiterated how however ever eor that ho he might have been Insane insano for a brief interval when he killed White You must remember he rt remark remarked mark od ed that these lawyers were od ad In their belief regarding my mental condition because they ther were told that the charges I 1 made against were untrue Dut Bitt were t e true demanded Jeromo They ere replied the witness firmly Why Vh yon von expelled from Har ard asked the district I 1 was wait told I 1 was not useful there and I and four or live others were mit lut out for n a subject not In the lie q that nn an immoral subject 7 illegal perhaps but not Immoral Mr Jerome dId not nol pursue that subject bitt reverted to the testimony given yesterday h by Susan Merrill former landlady In New ew York declared that when hon ho he first learned that lint Mrs In Merrill was Ic 10 go goon goon on the stand he was exceedingly angry I 1 was told he continued that assistant district attorney got gol her up In solin office and spat in inhar her har face and got her to tell a lot of lies me But Bitt of course I 1 dont sa say this Is true Thaw was In tho ho midst or of his tes testimony and apparently unruffled by I his ordeal when court took the noon I recess As he left the stand Dr Britten D DEvans Evans Bvans his chief chloC alienist and Mr Ill seized his hand and told him he had acquitted himself splendIdly The prisoner went vent hack back to the tho Jail to all appearances In a hap happy py Pj mute of mind When the afternoon session opened Mr 11 Jerome Ierome a Thaw In your opinion are arc ou noW Yes Yos said Thaw and In other pOIsons persons opinion The witness was as shown the leta prepared b by his mother Old Did yoU believe bellee the allegation with which this pamphlet opens that a combination of powerful mon men p exIsted l ted a against you was true I thought m my mother must have been so ao Informed or she sho would not have said amid It was wa the reply Thaw said lie he did not believe such sucha a combination existed to conceal the wrongdoings o of Stanford and hIs associates How do 10 you OU explain nil all the trou trouble blo ble and expense that Mr Ir your our former counsel went to In or tier dol to set get this whip that was pre presented yesterday asked Mr Ir Je Jc Jerome S rome romo He never nevor went vent to any expense answered Thaw hut but lie he amended this thisby thisby by addIng that lie he had heard It had cost 40 ot of which paid half and anil Denial OReilly half The Tho wItness said that on ono OC occasion caslon casion at least lie ho hail had deceived Dr Evans EanlS the alienist though not Inton I At least lie he told me so 0 the other day he added Dr Evans might have thou ht that the Irritation I 1 dis displayed pl played cd at al this hils time indicated brain brainstorm storm torm And I think Dr Flint or Dr MacDonald or an any of oC your alienists ml might bt have made the same lame mistake Have Haf you ou an any reason to believe as asIs asIs Is hinted In your our mothers pamphlet t said Jerome that I was Influenced against you ou by malevolent motives No 0 I 1 really dont think so 10 Did you ou thInk J I wag influenced liv hy any other motive than n a desire to per perform per perform form m my dut duty WollI did think you Jon might havo been moved mood by a whim answered the witness and he went on to explain list after his acquittal ho he was told that Jerome Jeromo had said that If he re rc In the tho lI asylum for thirty days ho he Jerome would be The man who told him this he said was his former attorney Rims Rus sell now flo dead dond The Tho first evidence glen given b by Thaw of oC any excitement was when whon Jorome probed further Into the events lend lead lag up lip to the shooting and question questioned ed cd him regarding hits early relation with wIlh Nesbit The Tho his words carefully with rut an desire to present this thil part of his career In the tho h best st lI light ht At thIs moment f ht Evelyn In Nesbit Thaw hers herself slid aUd Into a seat seRt among the witnesses If Jo Je Jerom Jorome rome rom had her appearance to confuse the lie he could not nol ha have brought her n ii at a more morl telling g re Thaw Insisted that lint Miss Nesbit Wn was well taken care caro of In Europe and in III Paris He recalled his hlf anxiety to marry her and repented repeated the story of her reluctance for associated with her alleged treatment IJ b Thaw seized the chance chanco to II display his keenness when Jerome In readIng one ne of oC hIs made a mistake In Inan inart art an algebraic equation It contained Thaw Thas said the wrong nail rt reach nd from the orl the mathematical cal slon as alS ft should be 10 Jerome Ierome produced d a number of let letters written 1 by Thaw to his wife be before before fore their marriage and presumably given ghon to the district attorney b Eve Ee Evelyn lyn hn Thaw since her hor break with the lie witness The object of oC the peoples attorney In presenting them In eI dence was clear when It was that nearl nearly aU all bore upon Miss Nes bits relations with White In one letter lotter Thaw drew for Miss lIss b a picture of their fu future future ture ess es In Pittsburg Your reputation as a beauty would spread over the whole world wrote Thaw We rc could own Pittsburg I would gettle eltJe down antI and ho bo a senator White Plains X N Y July K Thaw sat In the supreme court Court hero today todar and heard a woman womans los les that lint made macIc his pallid face flush lIe He saw a pearl handled dog whip ex cx and he be heard the swear Silo she had seen hIm him wield It on the bare of girls The Tho prisoners wife heard most of oC the testimony which was az of oC such a nature that thal Justice preceded Its presentation with the warning that no 10 woman should stay In the court room unless she Is will lug to hear bear everything Two girls left leCt The witness was Mrs Susan Mer Merrill rill nIl a buxom woman of about thIrty five years and she sho opened a new chap chapter tel ter In the life or of Stanford slayer She told of alleged acts of his between 1902 and 1905 1005 when whon he was wasa a bachelor about New York before the on the he Madison Square roof garden garde that resulted In his being placed tn In the state asylum aRlum for the criminal Insane from which he Is now trying to escape by br proving himself sane Her testimony was In marked con contrast contrast to that of two alienists who gave gao Thaw Than a clean olean bill of health declaring lint In their opinIon ho was sane She Sho testified that during the tho three years named she kept In succession two Now rew York lodgIng houses where Thaw rented rooms un under er assumed names and to which ho he brought at various arlous times more than two hundred girls After Thaws Imprisonment she sho saId she paid these women at It least as the price ot or their silence allonce and to keep Leep them from bothering Thaws wife or his mother One of oC them who iho she said passed as Thaws wife ro receIved The Tho money came from Thaw The mysterIous package brought to tn court yesterday esterday by Clifford W v Hart Hartridge ridge Thaws former counsel was un tin unwrapped wrapped and a pearl handled whip about three feet Ceet long was brought into view With this before tho ho eyes eves o othe of the court and spectators the woman woman related a series of stories about find 1 lag Thaw on several occasions lashin lashing UW the girls upon their bare arms and bodies Th Thaw w site she salt said had posed as asa asa a theatrical agent and had lured the tho girls to his hh rooms with promises of engagements When she remonstrated with him she t testified his excuse was as 1 that the girls were not smart enough and could not fill their positions and deserved a beating She Sho testified fur further furher her ther that Thaw had frequently behaved violently and that lint she considered his acts Her testimony was stopped when Mr Jerome Intimated that it Il might Injure Innocent persons Under cross examination by br Charles counsel for or Thaw the witness was at attacked tacked fierce fiercely He brought out the tho fact that she had recently been ar arrested rested on a charge of perjury after an unsuccessful suit to recover lOO damages from a man manThe manThe The woman emphatically denied that she sho had kept any of th lie money that passed from Thaw through her hands Then why did you stand for all this from Mr Thaw asked Mr Ohi Oh I felt folt sorry for or him was her heran answer an Eel Evelyn n NesbIt Thaw appeared dun duro duning Ing the proceedIngs today hut she lid did not testify She smiled at al Thaw sn sei oral eral times but he paId no attention to her Aside AsIle from Mrs Irs Merrills testimony the alienists took look up the ilie remainder of r the tho proceedings and testified In Thaws behalf Dr DI Britton D Evans who made a report two ears ago declaring Thaw Insano said today lint ho he had re reversed versed this opinion lie He admitted tho report was prepared to bolster Thaws thus this evening but tt it was almost dark side of the case when he was |