Show UNTIE DISTRICT 1 RAILROAD POOLS Two Lines Work Double Cross Crosson II on Operators Under An Agreement I SPEAKER JOSEPH TESTIFIED Chairman Robinson Summons Harmless Witness Witness- Witness Witness-Tolton Tolton I Explains Walls Wall's Charge Speaker Harry S. S Joseph of the lower lowr hower low how er r house hous contributed sonic some scintillating I thoughts to th the gall gaiety ty of nations sotar KO so I ICar tar far as it concerns the exorbitant rates ra s 's chu charged chue e eby by railroads before the tho legislative legis hegis- Investigating committee yesterday yester tia day l lie lc e told of or the unfairness shown by the railroads In the district l and came through with facts and figures figures fig fig- ures ores that that the lie roads have borno borne out their theil mutual agreement to protect their Interests and anil promote h harmony arm o fly Aside Af from Speaker Josephs Joseph's natty two other othel incidents came caine up before before be be- fore ore the committee Lucius II 11 n Curtis of ot the Independent Coal and amI Coke Cole company Helper had been summoned to tell what he knew of the fuel lem His t testimony was as so o favorable to the lie Ulo Itlo Grande Gran e Railroad that Semi Sen en- en ator Attorney Lawrence LJ d dropped o him like lII c a hot potato and asked the tho chairman chair chair- man Harry Robinson if it he lie ha had an any questions to tu put to the lie witness The rite chairman said that he had not and B Senator Lawrence called his attention to the fact act that ho hp had called the wit wit- ness Ho lie was called at the th suggestion of oC several oral members of ot this hits committee said mid Chairman Robinson on In reply Senator Lawrence at this time lime had hada a note In tn his possession ii from torn Chairman Chairman Chair Chair- man Robinson on asking that Mr Ir Curtis Curt be called Tolton H It The other othet Incident came caine up when Attorney Attorn William D. D JIlter lUter for Cor the lie Interests rests tool up several set pages pageR of or Col Cot E. E A A. A Walls Wall's testimony and amid said FAld that the colonel 1 hud had left the Im Impression that some pf Qt t the thc ham DIng operators op op- op- op w were re charged for or their ore c. while the Rio Grande GI-an GI l' l mal made a arate arate rate utI of oC 40 10 or 50 roo cents tom for or certain other operators Attorney Ither asserted that ent Representative Tolton had easily casU and amid clearl clearly explained where this was either based on misinformation of Col Cot ColWall Wall all or em was nn nil erroneous statement f of or that witness The rhe explanation of o I Representative c Tolton raid fald Ill l Mr IJ lUtor should Id be bo noticed hotbed by b time comm committee It was Speaker Joseph said there thero th ro was WS W S n a nI I on th the part hart of oC thu railroads In lii tho hit district operators He said Tintic op operators op- op were charged more mort rot for freight on ore or limn other otier operators on P l T o. I I i t vJ t. t k 1 t. t td Jr c TINTIC DISTRICT RAILROAD POOLS I I Continued 1 from front Page lage PIl C One were for lon longer tr hauls He lie appeared as us secretary of oC the tle Tintic Mine l Operators Operators' Operators Operators' Operators Operators' Opera Opera- tors' tors association which ronn formed for or mutual pi protection election on labor laboi dud and on tariff tar tar- lit Ire on commodities He lie gave guve figures showing that dl discrimination d on oil all ull rites rates t to Salt Lake alle valley smelt smelt- ers erN The rates rutes al' al aie lc regulated by hy the thenet thenet net lIet and go gross s valuation of or the ores Pool itt jit In examining th the existence of oC a Tin Tin- lie railway pool pooh Mr Joseph Jo-eph was as very specific In his references The rhe haul to Salt SnIt Lake IK is 85 miles yet e the lie charge chan e eIs Is the same ame from front Nevada poInts miles milts awa away and front from Frisco no miles d distant t. t Is the rate rote Into on supplies too high a asked Senator Lawrence Ye Yes l. l it is on Oil all ail commodities such as lumber I and How about changes chances in rates rates have have they lowered or raised In the past six years years' cars Thc They have ha nev never r b been en raised Three or four toUl years ago tho the rate on low Jow grade rUlle or ore was reduced from Om GO to io IH her r r ton Was there any my difference at any time line in the rutus ruh fI char charged tl by hy the two roads roads roads-or or have hae the they always been heen the same Always yas tho the same samo unless one shipper ship ship- JH per r obtained a cheaper rate than thun an anth an- an other th r. r I have e heard hoof it Intimated that this was the case but never ne knew It to be hc Itro proved lJ I l' believe o thc they have ha tr treated att J us all alike How lIow about the effect of oC a n maximum maximum maxi maxi- mum rate It ml might ht work against us They would ship shii by hy the tue SUn Pedro ledro line around the mountain and anti charge churs-c by bytho bytho tho the longer Rio Hlo Grande mileage and antI that lint would he lie us But cant can't you dictate over o which lino your our ore Is to b be shipped 7 Double Cross Them No 0 the they have t a pool down own there lucre and they'd take this matter out of oC our hands hand If H we got to shipping too much oY over r Ol road the they would make mak u us J f Jb F-Jb fp w. w r r. tiiu it other If It we refused refund d to dri it It the line Un we Wt were shipping over o would r refuse fui to tu furnish us its cars calL Art Are Ar you sure about the pool 1001 i I q ont don't know Ju just jUtt t what arrangement ar Is K but th they have some kind of or an on arrangement that puts us at their mercy How hIow about the tho two roads road roads roads-Is Is Is hera any difference difference- to 10 you which your ore goes goe uVel over Yes Yel there IK is Tho The Short hort lain h luu IM th the battleship ore ears car that are art DOth pounds in capacity and ad adv v very ry easily lly ny while th the lie Rio Itlo Grand hi hJ pounds pound oars CD rs and not so o many of or thorn them and we 10 lose mone money lit lit- through ugh the cost coat of Ir If a assaying each lot lut shipped In the thu smaller r ears curs hulk Your Oi 0 O n a 11 Do Do 00 you know of or any aDy w way to overcome over over- come conic the ha pool 1001 Only to do o what JM Jesse IM in of or In do-In by doing by building our own railroad i The question of the principle on I which r raLee me ie to au Tin tic are figured came com I up and aM Mr Ir Joseph w wa was naked asked if he t 4 1 t knew how hn the railroads arrived ell at their ralI ral rat I put it up o 0 J. J Ross floss Clark and I he himself have ha an any idea how the rate was filmed out He lie agreed with 10 me inc that U tin thi rates were excessive I and ought to b bt bi adjusted but hut it has nut not been done f There Is om t explanation of or the tho Tintie rate nwe r added Mr h Joseph I I have hav It on authority and andI I thiril the hue Is 11 good too that th the Hlo Grande will not allow the San Pedro Pedio road to char charge e on the net value aluc Instead o the gross value of or ore shipped fron ron Tintie as aR It does on the other points along Its ilK line Then the lower rate rote from Oasis Is bl participated In b by tho the shipper Isn't It put Yut ut in III Mr 11 I Her C Certainly Joseph Thais where they lucy g get t tI best hest of or us Curtis III Has lii Xo No Kh Mr tr Curtis who Is Interested In th hue tho thomine I mine at Helper ard who ho expects to begin begin be be- gin ln shipping coal iy y next fall faU said aliI the Jib Gran Grande rande c road was just connecting I with a spur line t the mine Ho lIe dill did not hot know of an any discrimination that had been made Independent coal operators What attitude e has lh the hue railroad company compan shown It has always been friendly The They charge us 1 90 to ship our coal to Salt Lake from rom Price We c hope to get geta a better rate when wo we begin In to operate operate oper oper- ate from Helper Do you OU think the fact that the railroad railroad railroad rail rail- road owns the Ca Castle Gate mines wm will work a against you ou 7 No o. o I dont don't particularly The of officers officers of- of leers have said the they would be fair tall to tous us and at present we wo are arc engaged n a ed In driving a a. lead head tunnel We e have ha shipped but little coal coat HoW IJU h tJ OU p 11 7 p nd T M I. I op lIi ip I r dont don't know exactly but It will be bi close to After a few tew questions in which Parley L. L Williams and Mr Ir Riter showed that the witness had no fear rear of the present coal operators he wax was excused and antl the thc committee decided to adjourn until Monday at 9 o'clock |