Show TRYING TO FIND RATE PRECEDENT I Legal Lights in Senate Talk on Right to Delegate Power TILLMAN CURBS TONGUE Tales Inkes Inception to ro IVr In PI Coin 01 Hut Bil Docs Ines nots it J In iii II 1111 lild Way Wy r Wash Washington I March l 1 12 Senators l Senators involved today tOllay In a n profound discussion over o el just jURl what the tho constitution const const- tl ton meant mant when It provided against the tho taking of or a persons person's property with u out sloe duo process ss of 01 law Mr r Dom lem Texas Mr 11 Rn r 01 Oem Dem 1 Md 1 Mr I r. r Cox Hap Hep Pa Mr Mm r Nelson Nolson U Rep Minn Mr air 1 Foraker lieu Hep Ohio and Mr Mi tl Fulton Pulton Rep flop Ore are wore were among those who tried to define enne legally the tho difference between the tom terms Just and amid reasonable reasonable reason reason- able ahle Just compensation antI and con cun as dealing with wih the right of 01 ju judicial review re In iii n case casc congress em- em powers the Interstate comm commerce rc commission corn com ml mission to fix fx railroad rates rates I IMi Mr Mi Ir Nelson Ison gave notice that he lie would speak upon the rate late question I tomorrow following Mr Mu I Simmons of or North rth Carolina d by ly OI I Today's Tolas discussion was precipitated b by Mr r. r In a set speech He I attempted to 0 o confine himself to a strictly legal legal treatment of the doctrine thee doc trine that con congress had the power 11 to tl fix fx n. n C rate laft and that lint It could deleJ delegate tf that power Vei If it It saw UV lit Ill lt He lie le cited d ninny many supreme court decisions to uphold up up- hold holl his contention that the principle Involved If not the time direct question Is Itself lf hall had been en repeatedly passed assed upon h by the time supreme eme court Ills His Ils remarks s wr were in th tIme the nature of ofa a reply to tn the recent speech of Mr ll Foraker who stands as the single out an and out opponent In congress congles to the of rat rate policy regulation The senator from Crom Texas Texa pointed to cases of the thc delegation b by states to commissions of or the power to regulate rates exclusively ely within the states an and asserted that lint the numerous cases of ri right ht to control and fix lx franchises of or represented ente the Identical principle These cases are persuasive but bul not nol conclusive of course he lie exclaimed Sees Secs Some Confusion lol Mr r Raynor who vho was In Sn sympathy with wih the view saw some confusion lon Inthe in inthe inthe the dissenting opinion in iii the Northern Securities decision of or the time supreme court Mr Culberson pointed ed to the lie le legislation legislation legis legis- ls- ls lation laUon prohibiting the lie importing of Im Impure Impure ire ire- pure tea Into the United States Stales States which vented the secretary of the treasury with wih the discretion to establish a standard of purity This was upheld by lW the supreme court coutt cout although h the he principle went falt farther r than in the p leo VH fr k t f. f 11 Mi Culberson ll against at attempting at- at I tempting an any legislation upon the constitutional con rights of carriers to logo go Into courts couts where the rates were hel held b by them to be because he hel held that It i would be declared vol void Mr tr Ir Nelson thought Just compensation compel compel- was the time counterpart of or a reasonable reasonable rca rea rea seeable rate People Conic Into IU ht Mr Ir Culber Culberson on in closing cosing declared that the railroad rates rales of this country countr were dictated by a small mal board boar of 01 rl- rl rall- rall Ioa road load men antI and he lie wanted legislation le that would protect the people l the selfishness of those men whose hose merciless anti and despotic standard was waN what the would beat bear bea He lIe le thought that special Interests ml might ht for fur a time prevail but that the people would come cone Into their rights The r rate le discussion was preceded by hy Mr Timan of 01 South Carolina who tool took occasion to answer in a character character- speech the contention of 01 sl- sl nt dc-nt Roosevelt on the Tillman Gilles pie pic resolution Into the lie ale alleged etl in itt the shipments of or coal Mid oi oil The president enl cont contended n e that the resolution was weak In that it i. i did not provide for fO the power to a administer oaths oath anti and compel witnesses to appear before th the interstate commerce commission cum com mission an and that It I fale failed to provide provide the time nece necessary r money to defray the time expenses cx- cx Incident to the time proper propel prosecution prosecution tion ton of the inquiry Senator Tillman Timan took exceptions to these contentions In emphatic terms tenn he claimed that the tho language In which the tho resolution was framed was of such character There w were re times limes when the s senate nate and Mr Ir Tillman Timan were in a abroad abroad abroad broad grin over the apparent effort of the fel fiery southerner to curb CUlb his histon ton tongue gime Mr Mi 1 Tillman Timan closed by ly Insisting that the President ent was wrong and that the lie resolution was all al right Lo Tote I u Ans J riman Senator Lo Lodge ge Rep Hep Mass answer answered answered an an- Mr Tillman Timan defending the tho Presidents President's ent's action acton and amid stating staling that it tion was wa only emily after most mature matle delibera delibera- ton Time The ho session of or the house to today a was devoted to the consideration of or bills ilis relating to the tho government O of the District Dis- Dis of or Columbia The rhe statehood bill bi was receIved from the senate and laid lold on the lie speakers speaker's de desk l subject to call call A resolution was adopted requesting request request- Ins big the tIme secretary of the treasury treasur to ic- ic port to the thc house If It any fees have hn e been pal paid to the time United States district ul- ul lorney for the Southern district of New York for the lie pro prosecution of customs customs cus cus- toms cases Mr Mi r. r Rep Colo Cob attempted to call cal up the bill bi revising the nat naturalization naturalization UI laws Mr Mm 11 Prince Rep Ill I. I who seeks right of 01 wa way ay for the tho bi abolishing the grade of or lieutenant lieutenant- general of or the lie arm army unable to have Ills his mca measure e given preference over o el the hc naturalization measure rul raised ed the point of or no quorum To avoid a call cal of the lie house an adjournment was voted |