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Show .. jf - li A I I hr S.jlt Lake 1 Sumlav. October rihune, 11)85 corn it.Tte wovie isdtxxrno smart ite bns 6 srtt a mt6 Fhe Public Forum Tribune headers Opinions Disaster l(i llel 'last. DU .and the American Tone, Bed Cross so we could pass on these oilers ol Stale Depot tment Disiiearlening Letter Mark W was dishoai R mug to t iisuii s icmaiks, ill I In: Tuiuiu Oct 8. lie 'I illumes .li tide on III K Fuller ii Durrs. disputing Ins theory on Hie tausc of i lnuiln ein.i 'n lai eiJ with the tiagedy o! j lined .hie with sm li J mental illness do not need I' assistance ti (tin I Both agencies indicated they greatly the ofters. hut the relief efforts m Mexico City were very well organized and they had sufln tent volunteer workers i The agencies said some medicine and commodities were needed, but that the best t way tor us lo assist would be by conlnbii-ions to the American Bed Gross I just want to say how good it made me to see such a vast, spontaneous response li inn our state's citizens Thank sou. citizens ol Utah I m proud to he counted in your number' added tniidcn ol feeling blame and guilt pci tails vs hwi the most leeent research i. e. n men a biological noi past experiences .r llii'tause III Tolies, who was recently III Salt l.ak its tm the Utah Alliance lor the Mental Is III s annual eoiilerenee. is j most quail-'d e s ln.it l ist sn'i lalmng in scluz.oplireil i i ( liemieal-milialaiic- ( i in i ne ol his mans tie o ( dlciii book. Tamils' Manual Sui a s p s li JUKKY s is an a I wisli everyone could read would help to dispel some long-hel'nisi uneepllons aliolil the disease As a parent ol a son with schizophrenia I .mi giatelul lor physicians .such as Ur Tories' who have dedicated themselves lo pro- Counxlor Miidr moting understanding, improving treatment ease JUANNF MOKGAL onim Kul, - Iublu- Forum letters must be submit led exclusively to The Tribune ami bear wrilei s full name, signature and address. Names must be printed on political letters but may be withheld for good reason on others. Writers are limited to one letter every 10 days. Preference will he given in short, typewritten (double spaced) It Iters permitting use of the writer's true name. All letters are subject to condensation. Mail to the Public Forum, The Salt l.ake Tribune, IM). liux 11(17, Sail Lake its. ( I tab llll NORTON III burr Trail "Garn calls colleagues bums' fur not ing more to reduce dclicit. That is the headline of a newspaper article m a Salt l.ake paper last year - one day prior to another report telling of the senators sponsorship of an $8.5 million item m the federal budget that would pave the filin' Trail 'The senator has reintroduced this item in 1085. with lull support of the Utah delegation. the governor and local oflteials What unbelievable hypocrisy' That amount is only the start on a gross protect likely to cost much more than Tail million Do these leaders really believe what they preach about fiscal restraint'1 I have lived in Torres', near the Burr Trail area, for nine years. I sympathize with he people of southern Utah tn their economic distress and frustration. Vet, I am convinced paving the Burr Trail as proposed wolild be a shameful waste of taxpayer monedo- pork-barre- 1 Worst (loinmiin Carrier School Prayer Not as Simple as It Seems due arise It has been pruposed that "cummunity standards" prevail in the writing of school prayers. Although this is not part of the current proposal. Sen. Hatch has Supported it in the past and it is the direction in which our s are moving Community standards sounds like a gouil guide to follow lo tm st pcuplc because they are. bv definition, the majoiitv. I ask you to pjuse for a moment and consider the religious minorities in every community across America Consider what your own feelings might be it you were that minority. What if you lived in a Southern revivalist community and the local majority's prayers involved the kind ol prayer that we watch on Jim and Tammy Baker's UTL. Club on Saturday mornings'. Would you want your children to pray in school according to community stan policy-maker- discussing this incident with parents having similar problems. I found this to be a common complaint. Barents. I strongly suggest you interview the counselor and set up goals for v. liat you want to accomplish and then monitor what is happening namt: wtthhkld Nice Try. A1 A1 Urickson is setting himself up as a target for a public shooting gallery again He is telling people in Utah that the good old American way is not always the best wav. and suggesting Americans, particularly Westerners, teach and practice y.-; Creed To top it all uff. he is calling for American "baby boomers" and their offspring to acknowledge, accept and fulfill their responsibilities to and w ithin the society in which they live' A1 is living in a fantasy world, schools, parents and courts don't teach things such as discipline and responsibility - they require hard work Modern Americans only learn about rights, never about responsibilities A! probably learned to obtain the right.-o- f citizenship, he had to fulfill the responsibilities of citizenship. It doesn't work that liberwav nowadays thanks to the who took over als and our schools, courts and politicians after World War II Nowadays, people are only taught rights, so that even convicted murderers have rights, illegal aliens have rights Kveryone has rights, but never responsibilities. GFORGU WHITK (j real Kopon Several days ago. Gov Norm Bangerter announced the Utah National Guard was prepared to assist with relief efforts to the citizens of Mexico City. was tasked with fielding the calls coining to guard headquarters as a result of this announcement The governor's announcement brought us hundreds of telephone calls flout the gieal citizens of this great state ottering assistance. V.e quickly established contact with tin- 1 11 f i 111 Currier hi'tiid, rep lesentintj cross section oj the eom-nnnty. is com posed of Marti Green, o reteran federal employee. Stint ij Cooper, a businesswoman Allen Trans, tisstn cite state director tor mh Depnrf-nieii- t hu ntlieti Iped serriees. The Com molt il Tool-1- I Serene. s, Connie Sot ail of Point ol Ales he, office mtinaier. Tlnmhers anti Sleamf liters Cnivn. Local ! It. anti Hubert Maid row. a retired Air Toree colonel The. hoard seeks articles Innu all seyments of the community Articles need not be professionally prepared. but should be about three and a half patios of double-spacttypal eojiy They shtndtl pertain totin' tj economic, political or social of the Inlernonntain Area. Articles shoultl be timely, hare a basic t idea, jiromote dmlopne and be d. well-be-in- i Movers . Shakers Write Laws mleil 1tess International The other evening MilNGTON was a high lev el reception here a fiend a gin id is number el ash in glen iimvl t.i il b and M1.1t shaker-- The Hi 'iille with the account I read was it didn't spin if which was which. It is. in sou may know, very difficult for 1 Cabinet member, a presidential assistant. member n! Congress or an ordinary bureaucrat to film lion both as a mover and a 'baker Ui" mans d not iia-dual rule is impossible There an of "i.rsi. lew federal uffi-taN and lawgivers win! have successfully mide the Iruti-d- t tun Horn shaker to mover, Hu: (hinging horses in or sice sets m aisi.o' particularly foi movers and shal l - who onlmaniv remain ashore V"dc begun. mg .it eer in g"i ernmen' to deride early whether tiu-are ads wish to become a mover or a shaker Then 'nex should st u k to that goa1 Mv dictionary defines a mo ei as a person or company that moves household or idfiie lunu'.uic Horn one place to mother A shaket. by contrast, is a member of a religious serf ''practicing ciibars and rum moil ownership of pi "pci is inns aimnU e.x-.1 ( mid--treai- s. r- I met " shot k P- me p le.it n It came is nearing e.xtnu turn, although hat i uas ass ate Ilia! til. my people hast- hi etl slop o pi abs taming from ruminun ow is 'The dictionary must have been referi mg as a bit of ih-- lo the Uial.eis 'That is out tca.son. at most high level re to im iini' (eptions. tlie gucsl list is a movers and Miuki-along with issoi icrtain number of ciiiiiproiinsot s and k i ' comparative negligence applied, the contributory negligence of an injured person does not stop him from get tuig a judgment in a lawsuit so long as ho out nbntors neg' is not as great a- - the negligence ol the person he o suhat happens in ing lead is that the amount of money ass at (led in damages is reduced m prupor-'.0:- 1 to the i nnti ibu-tornegligence of the injured Bclurc eonipatativc r.egl leetli hoc inuw as coni tile law. ails riding t hat Mu oil th" pal! d Mo plum!::! ncgligem-'Meant that ho gut nothing : I, il ward a llal - -- I) T. sun oiddenl re I"! ss a: s a; - 1' ' , il - i b,,'L j"!l ag i.'i Mont s, at m tl o litmb' ol lie t U ..- I .'tamed oil e u k aliolhcl slorv r5n, ss ' ,,M-- . "ii Ink Material should be mailed to Common Carrier. The Salt Lake 'Tribune. IM ). Box 887, Salt Lake City. I tah, 811 III. officer I could liatdly sec a investigating " thing At the trial, the jury gave sour father nothing for the bump on Ins head, but found that the DeSoto was damaged in the astronomical sum of $500. The jury also found driver caused the accithat the milk-trucdent by entering from the cross street w hen it was not safe to do so. and that the worn w ind.'iueld wipers on the DeSoto contributed lo the aeeident because they made it difficult for your father tu see. 'The judge granted the milk company's insurance company's lawyer's motion for judgment against your By driving lather, giving turn nothing around with faulty windshield wipers, the judge explained, your father was guilty of i ontributory negligence in the aeeident. You couldn't help remembering your father's accident that day as you found yourself barreling down the same country ,mc in sour new Toyota, going a bit fast because 1; was such fun in that ear The driver of the cable TV repair van must not have been looking it all. because lie backed out right in Hunt of you. Luckily, you had your seat bell and shoulder hat ness on m 111 'pah-,- gtt 41, My tvst In answering special-verdic- t question., 'he jurv found that the van driver was 75 percent at fault for lulling cut like that, hut that sour negligent speeding luntributed 2 net cent to the damages. If you had been going slower, the Toyota might not have been n badly wrecked BucoU.sC voi r state, like most stales, had adopted some (urm of comparative negli-out ibutorv eui e and abolished the reghgcnt'c rule. y.u Ijim d h iter Ilian sm.r father They jury s damages award to was 11 (hill'll Ie. till judge to $7 5nil. a Hamil in prupoi "ntpai at is e ol the plamt iff and ho ) a (.gigi-ncml, oil tloilit of f,i " is Ilihlisliril for nit arm. t lion purposes nidi .aid should nut lie used , is i nd ice. I tin should see I tmr on n l,i ter for specific lepnl opinion I . i n Met 11 f jk m- fet I, ! S m. t he b: ake.- an tie j '1 : hen and I pi 'gt bs I, or nan :r Solo s Im' rht Thai To s'. on: "ill w mil 1. Id sv n mu fat o II d oMipl.l IM lllo- t 41. pr.u-tn-in- v-i.- 11 Bill . M'DeniuiL'tl is a I.iwxcr in Salt l ake ( its .1 ihu-tor- l! u oii work like ili.s V, tio-- i ,i her had hi accident that lamot in oiir fam.is Toe. it v.i- - boiiui- sour in adopieJ tl.i comparative l.egllgolii You ictiii mbci d sisidis Ihtuum vusvcii M'.ting in the back eat of Ills teSoto convert tide listening Mi the sound of the rain 0:1 Ihi canvas lop when sou ,r.' the milk coming mit of Mu- sid" g, m s as gi whole because individual lur Irom extiui t his (its burls soil as air op-e- McDonough - teems with them They abound on Capitol Hill, in Foggy Bottom and other power centers I am using the word loosely, however, in the framework of shaking up someom or something. Certainly I would hestitate to hire a shaker to move any properly I happened tu ow n in cummon As fur movers. I am using that word in the context of actuating, inciting or instigating someone or something. Which seems to make it less menacing. Movers and shakers usually are mentioned together in that order. The formation is not based on chronology, huwever Generally speaking, you shake something or someone betore you try tu move them. Shaking softens them up mil makes them easier to move I assume that movers tradition. illy are mentioned fn st because their ss 01 k is considered more unpor tant. Shaking requires vers little training You. tun. can become a shaker, if you have the temperament for it All sou need, otherwise. is plenty of brawn. With movers, however. a little finesse may be needed Take musing legislation through Congress. lor instance Standard operation ptoeedure requires the movers first to call in the shakers. Shaktaing doesn't always work, however, and mos its mas have to resold to other dcsite-tkeep measure mobile " - VMu-t- e nity ehal-leniin- ' .1 1 situation about their experiences Members Jehovah's Witnesses have for years excused themselves from various school (unctions on the basis of religious beliefs These decisions are frequently met with in tolerance, abuse and bigotry. Mandated prayers in public selmols would only serve to increase this prublem by spreading it to many more children whose fatnilies may not adhere to the majority position in a commu- M'x By Kdwaril a Mile ol I ni ersity of I 'tah Sehonl of Medieine and is as a doekmun and drivemployed part-timer for a local trucking company. .4 native of ( 'alifornia, he has been a resident of the Salt l.ake City area for the past nine years. The opinions expressed in the article are the personal opinions of the author. ol the Comparative Negligence Defined Dick WiM Today's Common Carrier author is Creed I.. Wait. 2242 Wellington St.. Salt Lake City. I tali HI I (Hi. Mr. Wail is a freshman at the Now I ask you to think beyond whether the prayer itself is appropriate. Defenders of school prayer amendments insist could be politely excused from such activities without repercussions. Some even insist that this has been proven " Apparently, these researchers have carefully avoided asking anyone in a comparable 1 : pseudo-psychiatris- There are communities in America where the majorities are Christian. Moslem. Hare Krishna. Jewish or Buddhist Would the prayers prepared according to community standards in each of these communities be aeeeptable tu you" One of the great privileges we have in this country is that we can protect the rights of minorities. Remember, if you are associated with the predominant religion in your own community presently, it may not al wavs be the ease darils.'. Opinions e.rpressetl in t'ommo n CiirnYr do tin: neeessti r i!y reliv those of The .Soil l.nlu' Tnioine or toe Common Carrier l!o, ml of I. mi I'.di-- l ors. ri in cut a re Anii les in this tie hij ihe buy hutird ol editors i.ineh oienih's tit j ie it to oj I'he T I'll ue editorial a in jitn tonal no sob-sist- 1 L. Wait How to Submit Articles .'' Public servants will not listen to reason in this mutter They ignore sound evidence bowing the road will not bring anywhere benelits local people neat the are being told will result It hurts to lose, as I have in this aftair. so much respect for the integrity and motives of 'lie stale's political leaders. WAKDJ ROYLANUU Torres' What if you lived in a predominantly Catholic community and the standard was praying to Mary and repeating the rosary" Or. what if your family was Jewish and you lived in a Utah town, would the fact that every prayer that was uttered was done so in the name of Jesus Christ be offensive' bill proposing a constitutional amendment mandating school prayer Ills current proposal is a weak version of previous efforts A cursory examination of such a proposed national pulley appears as a valuable effort to increase the mural strength of our nation's south However, as one further considers such a proposal, serious questions and doubts In l Creed L Wait Sen Hatch has submitted a again By She said I was closed minded and that he is the way he is and the family just has to put up with it. When I said it seemed to me she was advocating all the rights of adulthood without the responsibilities, she responded with. "Responsibility takes time to learn." I love my son. Living with him and his problems is a daily hell. I wanted help and the wrong counselor just made things worse pomy 1 1 1 Mv soil went to a counselor at the Davis County Mental Health The counselor saw him fur three sessions over the summer and then asked me to come to Ins therapy session. I went. In the presence of my sun. and with no as to my point of prior discussion with me view or as to whether I agreed or disagreed with what my son had been telling her. she proceeded to tear down my family rules about curfew, smoking, drugs, bad language and disrespect toward me She said since he was 18. he had the right lo come and go as he pleased without rules on curfew I expressed that it was my home and if he chose to live there he would follow the rules I asked her if she knew marijuana was illegal. She looked at my son and said, "Just I told her don't do it in your mother's house to life threatened and he hud threatened my burn down the house if I made hurt move out and increasing icseareh on this tragic dis- I M mug Si'hi.oplircniu." It it s in Washington , If the reader is currently associated with the predominant religion in your own community. ask your neighbors whose faith ma;. be different about their experiences. Or. think about your own experiences when yuu lived in a different area and belonged to a minority religion. Is the question of public school prayer really as simple as it appears to be" Is it necessary to have formal daily prayer in a classroom. I have always fell and taught mv children, that we can pray at any time we so desire. The motives behind such a prayer, unlike professionally prepared ones, are above reproach because only Ihe offerer and God are aware of its utter ante. What does a prayer, prepared by a local minister and read aloud m class, really teach our children about God and faith" Is it pus stble the consequences might be very dtller cut from what we had hoped" Our policies concerning all public lnstitu Rons must consider not only the desires ol the majority, but the rights of the minorities us well. Students in private schools arc there hy family choice, and classroom prayers are appropriate because every student and Ins family have chosen that environment. It is a dilferent situation in public schools. Most students in public schools are there because they have no choice, private schools being prohibitively expensive If the state establishes policies that may be unacceptable to some families, they have no choice but to endure the situation. In a public institution there arc many policies, such as mandators- religions worship, that ate inappropriate Many alternatives exist to a constitution ai amendment for those who desire then children to be involved in daily public pras-ers- . Un a community basts, parents and ministers could make buildings and halls available for daily religious worship, instruction and praver outside the formal school fanli ties. Involvement would then be truly voluntary. maintaining the appropriate scpira Ron of church and state. 'This vers policy lun been successfully demonstrated for mans' years by a number of diverse religions. U hat additional gam can there In- Rom laws that cqtiire schools, under penally ol lasv, to hold public prayers" I would ! urge upporters ol Sen t" lecoiisider their positions and realize that opposition lo congressional Iv mandated public si hod pravers ts not equivalent lo atheism regardless of impliea lions in, ide by the amendment's sponsors |
