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Show n it 4 fvr ri t W.y.yfvr y-- rryr y t1 '"? ryiii,V' Janies Heston i nr Nil i i.iiKe I ribune WeuucMiji, f yy reuiuary m, tty"1' y iy "Vt t.w Militarist -- Pacifist Debate Outcome Threatens NATO New York Times Service WASHINGTON There are two dangers in the present nuclear arms bate: first, that the de- - militarists will want too many nuclear weapons, and second, that the pacifists will want too few, or none at all. the Soviets and the allies with precisely that zero. On the other hand, if the peace movement manages to persuade allied governments to reject Washingtons efforts to maintain a nuclear balance on the ground in Europe, it will undoubtedly lose the support the United States The chances are that neither of these dismal prospects will take place. A more likely scenario is that some kind of compromise, satisfactory to nobody, will be worked out with the Soviets at Geneva, reducing the number of Soviet intermediate missiles targeted on Europe, and permitting the United States to counter them with fewer cruise and Pershing 2 missiles than it now wants to install in West Germany, Britain and Italy But at this point, we cant be sure What seems fairly certain to officials in Washington is that the United States is not likely to maintain an army of over 300, 0 in Europe if the Soviets are permitted to Keep their missiles targeted on U.S. military headquarters and every capital in Europe. of Yet, if either side should prevail, the Western alliance that has avoided a third world war for generations would probably be shattered This, of course, hat been the one clear objective of Soviet policy for the last 37 years On the one hand, if Washington pushes the arms race beyond the tolerance of public opinion in Europe, it will surely lose the of the allied governments it needs. Ever if it insists on its present sum-zer- o policy, n is likely to end the present negotiations wit! sup-por- while the United States is not permitted to maintain a balance of U S nuclear weapons there. Anybody who remembers the outcry m the United States when 52 Americans were held hostage in Iran, is not likely to believe that politicians or public opinion here would tolerate the thought that an American army in Europe might be held hostage to the menace of the Soviet missiles without a counternuclear power of its own vailing The other day, the Oxford University Union in England marked the 50th anniversary of Us debate when it voted 275 to 153 in favor of the proposition: "That this House will in no circumstances fight for its king and country." This took place 10 days after Hiller came to power in Germany and just before Franklin 0. Roosevelt began his long residence in the White House. Iast week, however, when the same proposition was debated in the Oxford Union. "That this House would not fight for queen and country, it was defeated overwhelmingly. after an interesting incident land-base- d When a leader of the British women's disarmament movement proclaimed that Britain was "an American-occupiecountry." a young British undergraduate asked the American Rhodes Scholars and other American students at Oxford to stand up "These are the enemy you are talking about?" he asked "These are our occupiers?" Tell them to leave, he concluded, and they will. Even so, there is an awkward question The United States, at the request of the allied if it cannot pergovernments, proposes suade the Soviet Union to dismantle all its new and all its old SS-- and SS-- intermediate-range missiles targeted on the American Army and the Western European to pul 572 new cruise and capitals 2 missiles in Europe, which we could fire or not tire, without their consent Oxford is not alone in wondering who would decide such things in Washington This is what the argument is all about The British, West German and Italian governments are willing to go along with Washingtons policy, as an objective, but are not d SS-1- 8 4 - 5 IVr-shm- g sure they can get the agreement of their people They urged Vice President Bush on his recent trip to compromise and move toward that objective by stages Nothing is likely to be done about this until the election next month in Gel many, which is the main propaganda battleground But its dear that even after the German election, no reasonable compromise to maintain a nuclear balance of power will he possible if the militarists or the pacifists have their way. The main thing is not the number of missiles on both sides even if they agreed to cut their arsenals in half, both superpowers would still have enough weapons to destroy the other but on holding the alliance together For il the militarists or the pacifist-- , manage to impose their will on the governments of the West, they will divide the Unit ed Stales from its European allies, and this is precisely what Moscow has been aiming at since the days of Stalin. (Copyright) The Public Forum Tribune Readers Opinions Aggie Laments As a regular viewer of television sports, I have a complaint. The two stations which I frequently watch never tell much about Utah State University's sports. They always have tape and in depth stories about BYU and Utah. For Instance, about a month ago, Utah and USU both had basketball tournaments. The television news covered the tournament at Utah, but very little was said about the one at Utah State. When BYU lost to Utah State in basketball, the big story was What's wrong with BYU?" but nothing like What's going right for Utah State? This year, particularly, the Aggies are doing much better than BYU and Utah in Forum Rules Public Forum letters must be submitted exclusively to The Tribune and bear writer's full name, signature and address. Names must be printed on political letters but may be withheld for good reasons on others. Writers are limited to one etter every 10 days. Preference will be gb en to short, typewritten (double spaced) letters permitting use of the writers true name. All letters are subject to condensatio i. Mail to the Public Forum, The Sal. Lake Tribune, Box 867, Salt Lake CPy, Utah, 84110. basketball, but still we hear very little about them or their programs. Utah State is a major university, and they deserve equal time. LANCE WILLIAMSON Orem Just as Dead Those opposing tougher drunken driven laws should realize a person killed by an occasional drinker is just as dead as one killed by the habitual drinker. K. VERL STEWART Kearns Most Serious obligated to respond to your Feb. 3 k editorial entitled Driver Laws Are Aiming You characterized the passage of several related bills by Utahs House of Representa. .rush to tives as a judgement. . . I submit that a great deal of thought and debate were accorded these measures before they were even presented to the Legislature and now being considered by the Senate hardly a rush to judgement. You imply that the new laws are because the per se blood alcohol content (BAC) to 0.08 percent BAC. Your position appears to be supported by the d 0.17 percent blood alcohol content reported as the average for drivers involved in fatal accidents. That average is misunderstood, if not misused. It is the average for drivers who were found to be 0.08 percent BAC or higher. I feel Anti-Drun- Off-Targ- "off-targ- often-quote- I I j Over the past five years, from 1979 through 1982, the average BAC for drinking drivers involved in fatal accidents in Utah is 0.149 period, 58 perpercent. During this five-yecent of those drivers were below 0.17 percent BAC. As a matter of fact, there were 27 drivers tested at 0.07 percent BAC compared to 24 at 0.17 percent BAC. To concentrate only on problem heavy drinkers, ignores at least 50 percent of the problem. Finally, the purpose of increasing wit- ness fees paid to policemen and emergency medical technicians is not to encourage more drunk driving arrests, but to fairly pay these people for their time. The increased fee would only be paid to the witnesses when y they are required to appear during their off-dut- time. Drunk driving arrests usually occur during night time hours, while the trials and related hearings are held during regular business hours. It is unreasonable to expect an officer or technician to work all night then spend anywhere from four to eight y hours of his time for a mere $14. off-dut- k driver laws The target of the that have passed the House of Representatives and are now being considered by the Senate is the most serious criminal problem in Utah. Drivers under the influence of alcohol and drugs are responsible for more deaths, injuries and property loss than any other category of crime in this stale. The proposed countermeasures will have a salutary impact on this most serious problem. COL. DENNIS J. NORDFELT Superintendent Utah Highway Patrol anti-drun- Rate Will Climb The Legislature is making a very big mistake by giving police officers bounty money for hiding behind clubs and waiting for anyone to leave that has had two drinks, which will put them over the limit of the very unrealistic .05", lowest in the nation Why shouldn't police officers be paid extra for watching businesses and arresting rapists and child molesters? It seems if they can get a $40 bounty for placing a person in jail for having two drinks, they should at least receive $50 for arresting a murderer, which is a slightly more serious crime. :5$a (Q(p tpvAie Should Auld Appliances Be Forgot? when we buy it that its mortality is no more questioned by us than our own. In our house today, pushed to the rear of upper shelves in the kitchen, hidden behind pots in the lower cabinets and stashed away in cellar, attic and garage are dozens of dead pieces of electrical equipment. We have several electric coffee percolators that Id never think of using again, old irons so full of sediment from the water that they no longer steam, two or three radios, several food mixers and at this very moment even a refrigerator that needs to be sold or discarded. Its not easy to the fact that an Perhaps what we need is some kind of Andy Rooney friendly mortician who would console us on appliance has a de- fined life span. Usually the appliance is so the loss of our electrical loved ones and new, so shiny, so magic and so expensive promise to dispose of them in a dignified By Andy Rooney Chicago Tribune There's nothing older than an old electrical appliance. An old piece of furniture may qualify as an antique and an old piece of clothing may make a good rag, but an old electrical appliance is junk. Weve got to face that fact in America. ac-ce- I know several police officers who hold a surveillance on businesses. However, this will now stop due to the fact that they will be wasting their time instead of supplementing their income. I agree we must do everything possible to get the drunk driver off he road, but please, lets make laws thai make sense, such as lowering the amount of alcohol in each drink. How can the Legislature possibly think police officers spend more time in court prosecuting a drunk than a rapist or a murderer? rate Utah will climb, with fewer criminals getting caught. However, I guess it will work out because the courts will be so jammed with people who have had a couple of drinks after work, that they wont have time for the criminal any wav You can bet the crime in GUY THOMAS Holladay The Way It Was Here are the briefs of The Salt Lake Tribune from 100, 50 and 25 years ago. Feb. 16, 1883 The Police Court is having a big time with gambling cases. Twenty-thre- e men have been arrested on the charge of gamYesterbling, or keeping gambling-houses- . day afternoon was occup'ed by the court in trying part of these cases. One was fined $99 for keeping a gambling-house- , and two or three pleaded guilty of gambling. Feb. 16, 1933 A determined gunman with poor aim, made a deliberate attempt tonight to assassinate Franklin D. Roosevelt, but his shots, instead, seriously wounded Anton Cermak. mayor of Chicago, and four other persons. swarthy complexioned assailant with curly black hair, who fired on the president-elect'- s party in a Miami street crowd. Mr. Roosevelt was not hurt. The assassin said he was Joe Zingara of New York, and told police he attempted to kill the king of Italy some years ago. Feb. 16, 1958 The country will face the necessity of fighting inflation rather than recession in 1958 and for 20 years to come, the president of the First Security Corp. told the Utah State Press Assn. Saturday night. We must guard against confused economic doctrines that would have us counter the recession with a prescription for depression." Reagan Maturing at His Old Friends Expense PJB Enterprises The White House capitulation and endorsement of a $4.3 billion "jobs bill appears to be the latest in a series of calculated maneuvers to soften the image of Mr. Conservative into Mr. Conciliation. Having concluded the right has nowhere to go," - the West Wing custo- dians of the presidens to tial image of approval have started from the permanent capital a conspicuous crabwise move toward the mur-mur- left. The move, however, is not without cost. The Presidents nomination of Maggie Heckler, the defeated Republican congress- woman from Massachusetts with the lowest round of presidential support in her party in the 97th Congress, to be secretary of Health and Human Services, was deeply dispiriting to those talented Reaganite women who sup- ported the President before Mrs. Heckler conceded he ought to be nominated. In his State of the Union, the president, in another gesture of appeasement, announced his decision to extend the Civil Rights Commission. As Mr. Reagan surely knows, this miserable little gopher hole houses people whose lifes labor is scribbling turgid attacks on Republican presidents for insufficient devotion to racial quotas and forced busing. Its operating assumptions were rejected in 1980; it should have been boarded up as a public nuisance years ago. One side effect of this turnaround, this sudden (volte face) on the jobs bill, is to cut the legs from under those Republicans who, at some political cost, have echoed Mr. Reagans own arguments about the folly of exjobs panding the deficit to create make-wor- k when we have bet the ranch on the private sector, and when January's drop in unemployment was making the bet look pretty good. In brief, the price the White House is paying for that little stack of editorials piling up about how Mr. Reagan has "matured" and "grown" is to leave the conservatives twist- - ing in the wind. The president is buying his new image at the expense of old friends whom he asked to stay the course." If the White House believes it has purchased any good will with the presidents enemies, they might take another look at what the minions of Tip O'Neill whom the president asked us to applaud during the State of the Union are doing to his party. The House energy committee is the locus of an Albanian-styl- e parliamentary maneuver. Though Republicans hold 38 percent of the seats in the House, they are being relegated only 35 percent of the seats in the full committee; and, on each of its six subcommittees, they are being dealt down to one On two subcomvote (less) than one-thir- mittees, Republican strength has been reduced to 30 percent. Under the benevolent gaze of committee chairman John Dingell of Michigan, the Democrats are dividing up the power as though the Republicans had lost 57 seats in 1982 instead of 26 Neither the Republican majority in the Senate -- - which could play the same kind of nor Hie h.udball with the minority tlioic kk fk m 00 0k .k k 0k We really haven't had electrical appliances for all that long in terms of the history of the world or even the history of the United States. The first ones are just getting to the age when theyre absolutely no good at all but theres a whole generation of appliances that came along in the '40s, '50s, '60s and '70s that would be on Social Security now if they were people. While people are lasting longer than they used to, appliances aren't lasting as long, so there are more people alive today and more appliances that ought to be tossed out. The whole problem first dawned on me drill I owned stopped when a quarter-incworking. It still looked OK but it just wouldnt work. Naturally, I decided to have it fixed. Well, as we all know, deciding to have an appliance fixed and actually getting it fixed are two different things. Most modern appliances were not designed to be fixed. They were designed to be used until they broke down and then thrown away. Anyway, I set the drill aside to be fixed at a later date and went out and bought a new one. I can use two, I thought to myself. That was 11 years ago tomorrow and the drill that won't work is still right where I left it, waiting to be fixed. I realize now that I should have thrown it out the day it broke. There were still a lot of parts that were not broken, I suppose, but if you don't know which are and which aren't, that does you no good at all. I dont know why I didnt realize the problem the nation has with old appliances earlier in my career. Thinking back, I remember now that my mother had an old vacuum cleaner, a broken toaster and a waffle iron that stopped working before I was 12. when it came My mother was to throwing things out. She ditched my old flannel pajamas when she decided they were too small for me. and she never saved jelly jars, string or tin foil, but even she could not bring herself to discard an old electrical appliance. In the year 3000, suppose there might be some museum value to my sons first record player, but as things stand today, it's just one more piece of junk taking up space in the room he used to occupy, and next Saturday morning Im going to start with that Out it goes hard-hearte- d White House seems overly exercised over what is being done to the party loyalists in the House by the Party of Fairness. If the White House believes this nasty piece of business to be an isolated act of that ought not be reciprocated in kind, they should look again. It is Dingell's committee which issued the 30 subpoenas to the Environmental Protection Agency that is talking about "sweetheart contracts" with polluting industries, that is playing to the sun worshippers and press galleries by holding out promise of a Sewer-gat- e which could unload buckets of solid waste upon the scandal-fre- e reputation of Mr. Reagan's government. If the White House won't fight for the President's men in the House, should they The falls first report card often shows when that the kid who knew more than his parents put their necks on the line for him showdown time comes in the EPA affair? in the spring forgot a lot during the summer As of today, the House Republicans are A small town is a going to court to protest the violation of the plaee that doesn't need principle of proportional representation in a newspaper if it has a barbershop elected bodies. But this is like asking Sister to discipline the bully in the classroom w hen No football player should feel too proud the proper place is in the alley during recess of his time until he has tested himself against a middle-agemeiei maid (Copwighl) 1 mean-spiritedne- Snuilor Soaper s k i is. h He was a stocky, Patrick J. Buchanan WASHINGTON manner. Just tossing a mixmaster into the trash can seem so uncivilized. The absolutely worst thing you can do with an old appliance is to give it to a friend or another family member as if you were doing them a favor. This not only puts the burden of throwing it away on them, but they're further burdened with the fear that you'll show up at the house and ask where it kk k |