Show THE NOTORIOUS JARMAN A noteworthy discussion with him in england we tae the following from the millennial star of nov LONDON nov 4 1887 president george geo ra e teasdale dear brother knowing tile the interest the saints throughout the mission feel respecting respect ini the opposition we have to contend with coming from such enemies as the vile creature jarman and his adherents the brethren deem it prudent to advise you of aur our experience edice up to date since the disgraceful affair at latimer roa previously reported jarman has continued to insult the intelligence of people in the suburbs of london with nightly of disgusting scenes said to be found in utah which are shown by the ild aid ot limelight lime light liht and canvass and to entertain them with his thrilling and blood blod curdling 9 stories obtained from the writings of hickman bishop and others seasoned with absurd narratives of his own alleged experience on sunday the alt he rame came with a crowd of upwards ot ol two hundred persons to our electing at being forewarned we had bad the protection of the and mr jarman with as many others as our seats would accommodate were admitted and allowed to listen to the testimonies of elder schofield Scho fied and president ballard at the close of the se etina jarman sought an opportunity to address the people and create a dit disturbance but in that he be was not gratified since then we have been following him up and circulating among the people the follow following link PACTS FACTS AND QUERIES FOR MR JARMAN 1 is a territory of tie the united states and occupies the same relation to that government that a crown col ony does to england 2 the president of the united states appoints the governor Govera or ot of utah the Stere secretary tary the judges of the district courts who have jurisdiction uris diction in all criminal cases liable to a fine of 60 or of imprisonment for six montas the president also ap appoints eints the marshal who chooses choose all bis lapu deputies and officers ot the courts 3 while it is true that utah has a local legislature its enactments are subject to the veto of the governor 0 from which re is no appeal their acts may also be annulled by congress and congress may pass pase laws at pleas s ure for the territory and has enacted many laws now in force hence it is seen that the united states has power to enact laws for utah and has bas control of all the machinery to enforce them besides ever since 1857 there has been a military post in utah so that the military could assist the civil authorities to enforce the laws if such puch a necessity ity dose arose I 1 I 1 query ilow how is it possible then lor for the wholesale of innocent people eople amounting according to mr narman jarman to thousands every year to take place how is it possible for women to he drives driven to the fields like slaves are not mr jarmans Jar maas wass statements too big tor beliet belief 4 la in salt lake city and ogden the principal towns of utah there are four main rail railway way lines centering connecting utah with the cities citie of the east west north and south these are the union Paci pacific the central pa ciale ane denver rio and the utah northern tv ta first arst two were completed in 1870 the others more recently see auy any railway map of the united states i altogether there are 1148 miles of rah railroads roads in utah 2747 miles of telegraph lines and 1000 mileson miles oi telephone wires in the space of four months to in the year 1886 tourists visited utah some of whim remained several months and people are as free to come and go as they are in london with no one to ask them whence they came whre or when they go or why they leave and this has always been so aury aary Is not mr jarmans Jar mana story of nis wonderful escape lescale from utah in ill the light of these facts a little too foo much for belief 6 tie the population of utah in 1880 according to the united states census report was of whom were native born six thousand nine hundred and eighty eight are set down as apostate mormons cormons Mor mons yet they live in the midst of the mormon people undisturbed n bythe by the census of 1880 11 says james W barclay M P there were in utah apostate mormons cormons Mor mons among whom are some of the wealthiest and most moat well to do members of the body there is no compulsion on any mormon beyond the public opinion of tits his fellow and none is possible I 1 nineteenth century Gen tury jan 1884 1881 published in london query cluid not mr jarman live in peace in utah unmolested as well a as a the rest ot these apostates has not mr jarman had a nightmare or are not his frantic ravings about crime in utah the ef fusions of a mind diseased ft ff as he be states mormon emissaries is are here to induce young women to go to utah for immoral purposes andt and then lien cut cue their throats would it not be betge the best plan for him to set detectives tec tives on their tracks secure a conviction before the courts and thus prove that these sta statements temes are true and accomplish some good instead of going round with a disgusting penny show last saturday evening brother I 1 biggs Big saad and idere I 1 were at the entrance to jarmans hall ball at rye bye circulating leaflets when one of his bis men inert belched forth his bis filthy denunciations of us and the church with such mence that a crowd of hundreds soon gathered around us usi but jt it was qu buckly icily dispersed by the police after that teat occurrence we talked with some seme of jarmans Jar maus meo men who wished us to meet him on his bis platform we invited ahem to come to our meeting and told them we would there inform them on what conditions we would meet mr jarman ina publicly T on sunday afternoon oct a deputation came and they as well weil as we bad the privilege of hearing bearing a ye very instructive discourse by elder 18 B H roberts on why way the 8 saints ints gather to zion at the close of the meeting we had a conversation and presented to them similar propositions to those embodied in the following THE MORMON controversy JARMAN 11 1 I william jarman hereby c challenge hal lenge all the mormon missionaries froin utah to meet me upon a public platform to discuss the doctrines and practices of the so called A latter day S saints A ta 11 in utah or refute my statements it t they the can canor or due dare I 1 doly dely them to do so ta taken g en from one due of jarmans le leaflets leiets mr jarman has been boastfully challenging the mormon riders elders to meet him in public discussion on the above question and on monday night oct ah I 1 B answer to the above elder B H roberts appeared on mr jardins Jar mana mins Kat platform forra and offered to meet him in a two nights discussion on OB the following conditions 1 LA A committee of three to take entire charge of the meetings one jot bif whom shall act as cl chairman airman at the discussions 3 2 an adjmi aaton fee beof of ad shall be charged and the proceeds prop eeds shall be used first to defray the expenses of the bhe hall ane remainder t be given to some caa charitable tame in the vicinity meetings itie are held 3 to have an equal port lott lett of the time viz fort yd minutes each then ten tea minutes each for replying t e 4 f 4 neither either the chair mannor the gentlemen of the committee to take any part in the discussion further than to preserve reserve order opler in iju the meeting nor shall they use their her in influence fl bence for or against either party 5 the for discussion will be as s follows 1st ast right night the gen general cial charabel character er 0 of f the mormon people ate are they murderers drunkards adulte rbra etc ad night toe mountain meadow massacre was the mormon church or people eople responsible tor for it or did the mormon church leaders sanction or order ordel the crime mr jarmin to td take the aMr and mr roberts the negative in these discussions mr jarmac iday i whether be would accept these conditions or not iut but said if mr roberts would come to his platform one ebig ast this t his 1 week he jarman peal half h alf an hour and mr roberts anig might t have half an hour to re reply P ly fasce ils jp has 11 as proved in discussing C u a a I 1 D i le elmr il Mr vu jarman Ja riman that no cairne Eal rnea cabbe n e hoped far forin ift a meet ing of which chic he has control therefore aberts mr roberts refuses to meet him except exceptive ine be taken out of hi bisband it ands 8 and placed in the charge of in metr who will see that each party has equal privileges and fairness mr roberts holds himself in readiness to meet mr jarman on the above con dit di lions ions and by addressing him at 11 chichester place harrow road paddington ding ton his representative will meet mr jarmans to make bake the necessary arrangements mr roberts undertakes to show that not in the regions of horrid hell bell can come a spirit more damned iu falsehood than mr jarman he asks no DO bayors but as an englishman he be demands afan english public fair play they acknowledged the fairness of our proposition but next day sent a i aply inviting us as to meet them on mile end waste sunday morning nov 9 at 11 on monday evening oct 31 81 elders roberts field and myself attended jarmans lecture at ber bermondsey Bermond in sey I 1 and solicited an opportunity of making our propositions known to the public our presence and request were unheeded until a portion ot the assembly bad departed and the remainder ma inder were wece leaving in confusion then brother roberts got the attention of bf those yet in the hall and in ormed them of our bubines there jarn jari im an said he knew bew elder roberts well and immediately charged him wah bet being n f a murderer etc holding hi huab to t the he question whether he would publicly or not he after a time atz fareed reed to meet elder roberts roberta the following wednesday evening nov 2nd and each i speaker to have bave half an hour alberu alternately abely this elder roberts accepted amid the groans yells and threats of the rabble we reached the door and desiring to to avoid a disturbance elders roberts and schofield got into a cab and thereby probably escaped some rough treatment while 1 I going the other way was not no t recognized save sa ve by a lew wa 1 I 1 I 1 ile t f I 1 eddies aye came and in the 0 a our bills ware were being posted osted and circulated so that thata a large larse addle audience of at least 1500 persons gathered at the hall ball among who whom were mere several of our brethren to mr i jarmans credit he be invited some disinterested person from the aud audience lence to come forward and act as chairman 1 came forward and although unknown by either speaker to his bis honor be it said proved himself a thoroughly disinterested man and a lover of fair play Jar chagrin he strove to to alp prevent at personalities and to divide the time equally between the speakers jarman first came forward pleaded that he be was ill and that elder roberts roberta knew that or he would not have met him however Howe vei he be strove hard tu prove to the people that our books were prepared expressly to deceive that the church responsible was for the mountain meadows massacre and many others that never oed occurred ArreE only in the heated imagination of our opponents notwithstanding the repeated protests of the honorable chairman mr jarman oc occupied one hour and tive five minutes and the chairman claimed the same amount of time for f or elder roberts many of jarmans charges were denied others explained pla ined the truth about the horrible massacre above mentioned was wal told amid the clamor of boys and excited people each speaker made a few closing remarks and mr jarman after all his bis challenges positively deell declined ned to discuss further farther until he Is better through our experience on monday evening we were led jed to seek the protection of the police for wednesday night but the superintendent ot police very reasonably aug suggested to president ballard and myself that the est way to avoid a difficulty with such a character as our opponent was to kee keep away from his bis balls where co auoe 3 arol still he be kindly came aff the hall ball himself and a large number of police were on the outside to protect us there it necessary we feel assured that good will result from these proceedings ultimate ly as mr jarmans Jar mahs statements are so transparent thoughtful people are convinced of their untruth and are let to inquire after the facts As asa a specimen of what he be presents to the people I 1 give the following which I 1 heard beard from his bis own lips after his bis grave had been dug four times in salt lake city and aed he be load had marvelously escaped each time he be found that porter rockwell bockwell Koc kwell was dogging his bis footsteps and one day after treating port to a quart ot of whisky drew irom from turn him the startling confession that he had personally cut the throats of victims still the whisky made port the guardian instead of the destroying angel of mr jarman A after ter a time there came a telegram for jarman to meet his friend at midnight OR arsenal hill and there rockwell informed formed ia him that he 1 rockwell was to be sent away aud and with tears imp implored lorid him to flee to the mountains giving him at the same time a quantity of food with warm embraces the friends friend parted and jarman ascended the mountains to the height of feet above sea level where surrounded by lions tigers bears and other ether animals he made his bis home sleeping at nights on branches of trees without anything but his bis one suit of clothes to cover him he discovered that the aforementioned afore mentioned animals subsisted on vegetation be not startled ye students of natural history and our hero bero taking lessons from them did likewise for tour four mouths months then the snow which fell twelve feet deep in one night drove him down and fortunate a gentile met him and cared for hv him until general garfield came and rescued c him the saints in this part feel well and many who have been slack are striving to live their religion better president ballard and all the elders eiders here join in kind regards to yourself and all our fellow laborers yours in the gospel JAMES JAMBS J JCHANDLER CHANDLER |