Show FROM DAILY NOV THE CHURCH RECORDS the receiver wants everything in that line iane to date today a specific and peremptory demand was made for all of the church records account books notes stocks money etc by marshal dyer IQ in his capacity as receiver mr dyer was accompanied by his attorney P L williams and deputy pratt and the discussion became animated before it closed the first demand was made upon mr david mckenzie who informed Mr williams that he had no charge or possession of an any property except the presidents office account books since march 1887 mr williams said he wanted those but mr mckenzie declined to surrender them remarking that they were no the property of the church corporal corporation but belonged to the office of the president of me church mr wil liams hams insisted that it was all the same ne wanted possession poa session of them and sald said he tur further ther we want all vie the books since 1862 if you cant get them get somebody else to anis mr mckenzie Mc Kenzle sald said he could not do mr williams do you refuse to obey the order of the court mr mckenzie certainly not I 1 have bothin nothing to do with them mr billiams williams we want those books turned over according to our demand or we want your refusal to 10 do so I 1 think the courts order includes all of them mr mckenzie Mc Kenzle there is a difference of opinion on that subject I 1 will rot not give you a refusal to obey ane courts order because I 1 have nothing to do with it I 1 will hunt up the attorney M mr young it you yen will wait a short time mr williams we have waited long enough we want the bookfor boo ksor your refusal to surrender them mr mckeuzie again insisted that he had no power to act in iia th the e premises and after some argument induced mr williams to wait until ie grand young could be communicated with the visitors then left the office but just outside they met mr young and all retura returned ed mr williams then made a formal demand in and upon mr young that he surrender all moneys stocks bonds books records and personal property of the church this surrender was to include all of the account books and date including those office since march 1887 if this was not done he demanded that mr young state that he would refuse to obey the order of tile the court mr young replied we refuse you nothing the order calls for that includes all stocks bonds bonas books monies etc belonging to the church corporation and so far as I 1 am concerned you will get them the court will not be resi resisted eted but the records of the church and the books of this office you have no right to and we will refuse to surrender them the order as applied by you is unconstitutional but if the th e court compels us we will not resist we want to be heard on it however we protest against your taking them we will not resist but you take them at your own risk 4 I 1 mr williams we are tired of waiting and want what the order calls for mr dyer have you any money bonds stocks etc mr mckenzie Mc Kenzle no sir only the books kept since march james jack has always attended to the business personally for the church in the handling of the cash etc mr williams who did it in his absence mr mckenzie Mc Kenzle no one was authorized to act for him mr williams how long bong has jack been chief clerk mr mckenzie ever since mr ellerbeck left perhaps 20 years mr dyer have you received any moneys lately mr mckenzie no the people are not paying in money to be seized b by y you mr 1 I protest against you taking the books of this office mr williams will you deliver the books under protest mr young we will not deliver the boo books but we will not resist you can take the books of course but we will not deliver them we protest against you touching them mr williams where is the money bonds stocks etc mr young I 1 do da not know if I 1 did you yon would have those that is all the order calls for mr williams where are the valuables on deposit mr mckenzie Mc Kenzle you will have to see mr jack I 1 do not know mr dyer you a church safe mr mckenzie there area are a number of safes here therease there Ther eare are no notes in my Iny hands or other valuables mr young it if you take that safe you do it at your peril mr williams I 1 think we will take that safe the question is will the court courtne be balked because james jack is away The there rebas has beanan been an abuse of confidence in asking us to wait a day or two until jack should come he has not even been sent for mr young there has been no abuse of confidence mr jacks whereabouts are now known at pasadena california he will be communicated with he has never been served with process mr williams we think he has mr young we did all we agreed to do and if you would wait a reasonable tin dirae e you would lose nothing by it I 1 will advise mr jack to come mr williams he is we the man that does the business for the church and is bound as its rd representative by the courts order it if he was sent tor for by you he would come mr young we have done dona as we agreed to and your statement t that hat confidence has been abused is unfair r and unjust mr williams he has not been asked to come mr young I 1 asked that he be sent for and now that we know where lie he is well send for him we will turn over all stocks money and bonds bond sas as the order calls for but you take the books at your our peril we will resist that to ae the bitter end in a legal way b mr r williams are there two church safes mr mckenzie I 1 do not kno know I 1 do not say there is one there issue is one that is used by mr jack alone that is the large one it may bethe be the property of the he I 1 territory the safe was examined by the parties mr young remarked you will not lose anything by waiting till mr jack gets home lidde i mr williams 1 I think you have been imposed upon by these people you represent mr young I 1 think not mr jack will be here before you want him mr williams 1 I think he be is in contempt now mr young no he is not why he was not here when the order was made appointing a receiver mr williams well be knew that such an order was coming mr mckenzie no he did not as a I 1 I 1 know from remarks made by him he had been contemplating the trip for months it is not an attempt to dodge anything he received receive ct no notice before he left mr dyer who is the next in authority t tho rity higher to mr jack mr mckenzie the president of the church mr young I 1 feel certain the receiver would not be instilled j by the court in taking the books u under protest I 1 would give up all stocks books or property as soon as it can c an be done but out not the records nor t the he books and money in 0 ney in ia the presidents office since M march arch 1 M mr r williams mr jack could be got here by men who are now on th the e u underground der ground there I 1 is nobody body he here re it seems to take any responsibility the th e apostles of the church are arc parties t to 0 the suit they should either hand band over these things or ref refuse use to do so mr young they say they got otther ot them mr jack cant give you the looks books since 1862 he hasbit got them mr williams they are somewhere or nave have been destroyed and we want them mr young you will get all you are entitled to so far as I 1 am concerned we will not resist the court mr williams oh I 1 dont doubt t that hat so far as you are concerned but I 1 think these people will not it looks to me that the marshal will have to come and take this property mr young emphatically that safe will not be moved till mr jack comes I 1 it if it is the church safe you can take it you will have to take the books under protest we will not voluntarily surrender bem them mr williams Well why dont you refuse mr young Beca because tise we will lot cot resist the courts order mr williams well surrender them mr young no I 1 will not you have no right to them under that order you understand exactly how the situation is and it is not necessary to argue matters any further mr williams well there se seems ems to be nobody here who has anything to do with this property or who will answer one way or the other I 1 sup pose the marshal must come ano and take possession of ef it with this the discussion was brought to an a end and aad the receiver and his attorney departed the next step will be watched with interest |