| Show E OR EST AT 1 WP NIT TIA he holds an interview with the r brethren arf alt tuy lt altel El t ai IS bui me be makes overtures that are not 1 0 BeUf ions convictions caun cannot ot be surrendered if yesterday afternoon Gd governor vernor west by marshal ireland secretary r Thon ghomas las mr adam ya etersen courtr court r reporter ep orter mt W Q liall hall and uri mr webb ont toabe penitentiary the the visit and what I 1 occurred at the prison are fully ex by the Jol following lowing account of the matter from mr Pali Patt terson ersan upon arrival at at i the pea I 1 I 1 I 1 the party arec received eive d by V warden on 1 eow and C conducted 0 nou acte d into 0 one of the ha api apartments ments of the buildt building wall halll and apostle snow at jhb re ri quest dt bf governor wast west w bro brought agh I 1 In into the T toom om heli t the e conversation coni occurred I 1 J governor es mr snow I 1 s 4 pose you yon are advised of the he ac action of the supreme court rn dour your case ab snow biow yes sir have ha nard d they eb dude they haye hay no I 1 I 1 in my cd case oe governor of 01 00 r arse oo you are re a aware w are that that determination re 0 an by kt that court makes nal decision a 0 b mat I 1 at paso case by the 1 now I 1 SU suppose abd so 1 governor pr 1 under rider I thase circumstances of donrae course that is pow now tip the law because it is I 1 the e decision of the highest hiieste judicial tribunal trio unal to chit bodia could be submitted anki and I 1 conceived thiat it would be a very ery opportune time to call and submit to you a preposition which in can unction nath judge zane and mr dickson dirkson we we have thought advisable tp so make in order to show you ou andI fad people of the territory that they are mistaken an m believing that tose charged with the execution of affie laws in the territory aia are animated by any spirit of talice or vindictiveness towards the people who are in the majority in the Terri territory Ory that on the contrary their only wish and only desire one which Is nearest to their hearts la Is to have the people of the Territory obey and respect the law upon consultation with judge zane and mr dickson and they supporting tile the view that I 1 have suggested I 1 have cot come ne to say to you and your people here that we would unite in a petition to the executive to issue his pardon in these cases upon a promise in good faith that you wal wul obe obey yand and respect the laws and that you will continue no longer to alven violation of them sno snow well lwell governor 1 so far as J I 1 am concerned personally 1 I am aln not in bonfi conflict lct with any of the laws of the country 1 J I haive hae obeyed the law W as falth faithfully fu if I 1 y and conscientious C ajr a I 1 can imis hus far add I 1 am not here because of disobedience bf any law 1 I am here wrongfully convicted and wrong wrongfully pEw S sentenced 1 governor yes but that is f from rom your standpoint of course cours that Is a qu question ion 0 o dij no yer hatas yom youa misunderstand der stand in me 1 it artica larva larl yand and exclusively the ia Hd dmund law 1 I 1 inan tha law of the and tah that I 1 don consider dider ae governor the law is ket actually nally what the dourt court bays says it is if adu you are here under ander a 4 conviction of that kifle and your ws to obey I 1 the law as you say you YOH Hav edone it then TiN offu nAan tean sa crince critic you kiil p promise rom se and agree adgre td obey re the MW law in the I 1 futo ke I 1 you then rid kid your yours dIf of which you A say Is wrongful f abu oil protect t ct yourself U self I 1 ft from a I 1 future pres prose butlen c 0 i a ey 10 cwg r snow well bu t why h s noum this be re bottled Rott afred led of me iza ihas si 1 h a b I 1 certainly ainaly have not as yet d gote tj id the i hw A the abelar ah has b been e i ll 11 rob rt olly il aarti an iBe gaHy administered in the apses of many of ais us in th jhb P pen U pat but we ve have haie to thelah aw y its keks and Pro pelly authorities none of us ata 1 hiis ti iL right 1 to pu put his opinion u on against that deige min minloe minati loh oh were betitta to submit to the of laws which thet the court gives we cannot adopt otar foat and follow that beeg I 1 bf the coats cou arts J constitute what tha la law ris is TOW Fou fobare are too intelli garit gen genteman taman a a to have asad nae me the quid ques you tou should be required such at as that because you know very well yow you aeve have taught nd believed that certain ilja ht which the law baag J put ut i its ban upon it Hiti aseen lawmaking law making power that it itis I 1 Is not right and is nott b but aj that such practices cannot be tolerated in jand and ahk punishment will fallo follows a of it any man to earile forward and testify 1 I 1 have bavie taught ani person disobey toi tol the laws there is no person zan corne come forward L ly to that i I 1 governer that has b ega been the teaching ot of the abdy that you belong ablong to I 1 1 snow labas bebenin the past but it has not act been with ith me in the present 1 lammot am abot hatki ap past of tou asb i jumont care to discuss that I 1 daylou aw arel here under a a burt fors fora past offense and ana I 1 dombai come fco propose that the federa federal officials unite al j I 1 asking the president tor for pardon for you and others to relieve you from any punishment you vou me mv y have incurred it if yea for the future submit yourselves to the laws gs as interpreted and a construed by the courts snow well now governor ot of course there Is RO no AMO urn pa 94 J tw als at rou A bmw I 1 p pr i I 1 leo oj kural lural marriage awill I 1 will a awer y yau u if af once governor governor no 0 that is not the gnes tion The question e s 1 n I 1 aask ask you I 1 is 8 will you vou agree in good faith s sincerely ince rely la in the he future to respect res and q t ig qs l ft bp 1 ftak as interpreted bv v the ur ai which leh i and every other good ej auwen azen ight to do and must do and fat failing fig will incur punishment 1 hae s same RA e question aes ti ion at tile the first D district brict court ourt at ogden deir and I 1 expressed to the court u r t my N sho 0 o I 1 quest avo answer air t JI con considered it a question no busin business e Ss to ask I 1 jihad had obeyed the lawe law sad d was convicted illegally and wrongfully and 6 did not consider it was a personal bers onal I 1 question fuestion as to the f future governor 1 understand that that was a question that was was asked you I 1 in court lud and had a io co answer N now I 1 come boint fie earnest desi desire reto to save misery and trouble to the people I 1 am to be asi soi officially and I 1 have it very near tauy to my heit heart rit if possible to relieve the he people herb hereof of a great deal of un necessary necess nry suffering because I 1 am sat isfried that all this suffering so 80 far as the protection pr W tion of 0 abe I 1 peculiar e I 1 tian 71 hi youlia you aes egv ji lish cauce redis as useless that it wll will do no good whatever haf not anid one pari acle waud and that all ail the sacrifices which you joa make i and all tho the suffering that will go for naught I 1 come with that spirit spirit and with those motives snow u ow yes I 1 presume so but my views are entirely different from that right directly op opposite tie r aa ae e I 1 tie su not be the one it ithac av I 1 y you on antici anticipate te 1 I speak with knoN knowledge ledge a and nd you speak ayour VY our kopino op ino i i ence to knowledge at and ailbe am perfectly 1 om rean resul it twill arill be wide I 1 ly different from abat which you state no do will bea great deal of suffering but I 1 as on one e and I 1 presume it is so with mith the areat bf this people am ready to take quen ces ees i we believe in a certain principle and that principle is dear to ito our hearts and ana weare we are hillh willing to suffer as the ancients did we honor the law administered lightf rightfully aliv governor you have come to the question ju estion exactly which I 1 was lust just going to suggest to you that being your state of feeling ithac being your avowed coarse of of action you ought then to do the officials in inthis this territory the justice cosay to bay that they are notto U blame for this state of a affairs Q ira hat your own poni conduct luct and your own popl po mu tion inputs puts ou in disobedience to tj ae laws that while you a suffer libeg ing is incurred by your 49 action gioi aha lit t by any spirit of malice or any cesire desu upon the part of the government i 0 th those ose who represent it to do you oia bf i injury or to aads this b cause ause you see my iny object h purpose PUP here poly now 14 i td eal tie in an e N to fe hey eyou ot but y yurii b by Y th ota 0 y you a eake ake aidy y such position ion boeing eing taken voluntarily ily and aho OV place yourselves iu in this silo therefore commo I 1 ne s uld id re guire youner you notto 0 sa say a and notto t bubli fo 0 the w world r at e bi being perse erse c apted te fao eded in X y and n v vin A I 1 ursu d by b the federal ad ral officials 0 wh who are entrusted with the a ad ministration af n f snow than seem jesus christ and an dIdle the apostles The they rhad had these same things 10 tos buffer and ami practiced the same gospel and we expect we hav espoused the same religion and the same principles that they proclaimed and lor for which they lost their 1 jives that we ke bo uffer suffer vad and we are willing to do it governor you Youa are not teeing prose c cited for opinions sake 11 r snow no more than the itoman empire prosecuted the apostles f for or OP opinions inions sake they rendered themi elveson elves esin ln obed teace ence of the c country they were in ia iwas the laws that condemned them to death dath and it was the jewish law that candera condemned ned jesus 1 i 1 governo ry lare gett getting ingoff off the question and gettic u upon a question n that is so wide ifould balm to lengthen bucs our lives to 40 I 1 came herip hereL with purpose and cesire which anich ws wasl it il 1 I 1 dould could ibby by br bilyj lef fors ddn mv rt and with the part rt b of I 1 obedience to the ahe laws lat callb you grom any suf tring f r you at thi smatter just as it stands the courts have consta W wd and oi of itis it is and we have no right to say any anything else and when yoa get mit if you con binne tae oke course you have pursued do tte the same acts again I 1 it will simply beja temporary to relief here backlar back itou will have to come i i a V a 11 1 snow 1 n I expect so I 1 presume that would lie be the case i i aiu governor well pow now arp sier suffering and you are caa shik others to esuf guf fer and you are injuring the the tei territory atad 66 bodi i pur purpose pode Y m i it axy any I 1 thing ing by it that will wil not t the laws av not will it benefit yon in 1 anfray ay a y beke you ont at on en joy oy the 04 liberty chat ed by i the he abla man yem you canato t haw ehte afe eldot H bat orsome which are protected y land aud you are without I 1 ut benefit snow exactly iut at I 1 ha haye veba no p con floence counts ven if awas tp 0 make a promise cise I 1 have no idea in the world that the courts would ad m lids ter er us ustice justice J let then the M fir first s t admix arter aeter va u busike i t me and then we wills yes bubl 1 at is the aro not aft rw V arv governor I 1 beg your pardon we must not be too e egotistical I 1 did vot not make the laws aali do not say what the laws are aj on X the contrary I 1 am taking the decision of the courts I 1 can baize the legislative abiva abts and read them and I 1 may think I 1 know what the law is and go into court and aid the court says that i is s not tho the law therefore J J must talce take the Is law w as dec decided ad by tahe he courts and so mum every law abiding man vie it seems ems to me you cannot say flient that you have bave no confidence in the protection of to the e courts and the plais beret 7 snow I 1 have up confidence whatever governor you ought apt to say that you have no 40 confidence in the ahe crotee tion of the couT courts fahd and ie t officials unless you bellevo believe that f have come here under false pretenses and that judge zane snow ah ohno no governor that judge zane ind and mr dickson who have concurred with withee me are not doing itin it in good faith that fa is itte only way you yoli can say that because you must have confidence in us or you must believe belaev e we gre are apt acting in good faith you yon know bow it is a very unusual thing to gee aee officials who are charged with the execution of the laws coming as I 1 have done doge and with the concurrence of those wen men to say that if you will give your promise in good falth faith that you will observe that law that we will unite to have you relie relieved ired from the convictions against you ordinarily offe offenders have suffered for the offense fences of they have committed and have no chance to promise reformation with the chance of being relieved frum from punishment ish ment so you must have confidence if at you vou believe in our sincerity snow I 1 certainly believe in your sincerity but yuu you are not te court As to dickson and as to zane I 1 have no confidence in all governor mr leow snow I 1 think you are very unjust in that opinion because I 1 know that this suggestion that hat I 1 make j I 1 I 1 snow if you had suffered you would think differently i governor but you are charging the suffering to them wrongfully I 1 think they do not mke make the laap they ay execute them and an the suffering acu occurs s from your disobedience of the laws you are responsible to for the suffering ering not jud judge jude e zane nor ar mr Di dickson cloon and I 1 tell tel yo you you do themi theiA great injustice because from all the conversations conversation 41 t hajeh have bad with y ith them alk aud dinall in lull their beir conduct con conduce duft du during ring thie the time lije I 1 have been here I 1 am sure those men are animated by a good purpose sev an earnest desire simply that the people ot of this territory obea the law and they take no pleasure in the suffering which is caused by the disobedience of the laws snow they send us here without a particle uart icle of evidence it is through the counsel givenco gi given vento 0 o the jury by the judge by judge Zane who is influenced by dickson I 1 have not a particle of confidence in those men aa n you yon lad come entirely along without the names of those men we would have more confidence in the propositions 1 governor you can have in the propositions whether I 1 tell you or they because they are made in entire good faith snow what did I 1 tell you to ju the talk we had bad the oth other erday day in le ference to the supreme court governor that supreme co court ahas has a duty to perform of course could not take jurisdiction of the osse which was not d heti olk snow they took jurisdiction a in the first case that went up there governor 01 course then if 9 they were the first place I 1 would not have so greata great a respect for them if they did not turn around and rectify it in the other cue case of course you can have what opinions you about the courts or the officials buti but as I 1 say no good epi citizen can an have an opinion which will justify him in violating thelah the law none there is na excuse for that i snow all right governor of course 1 I do 10 abot know what the result of this woula be tout but I 1 came with the disposition and to show von vex and the people here that there ig 10 su iu opportunity for them to escape the ithe pani they have incurred it ft they should id conform to the law and escape the misery and trouble they are now i enduring in wn consequence sequence of their viola tion of the law snow if judge zane and dickson wish to balte the course seto to obtain any 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