Show REMARKS by dy pres H C kimball tabernacle sun sunday ay morning nov 8 1857 REPORTED BY LEO HAWKINS 11 I 1 am almost a good mind to talk a little that is if i you want J should but I 1 certainly do not want to wit without bLout you want I 1 should and then again if I 1 felt really like it I 1 should talk cheth I 1 cr er you wanted I 1 should ar or not the reason I 1 I 1 make that expression is is because I 1 lam iam am called to an holy calling with our president or br brigham he is my leader and I 1 am his bis brother and servant I 1 am his bis fellow servant Ber vant that is I 1 am one ope with him and my calling actually requires me to talk and to teach and to instruct and to exhort and to invite all men to embrace the gospel and plan of life and salvation jesus jesua in the chap of john ath verse i says in him was life and the life was the light of men inen also in the ath cham chap and verse then jesus again unto them saying I 1 am the light of the world lie he that follow eth me shall liot riot walk in darkness but shall have the bight of life and in the chap and ath verse jesus saith eaith unto him I 1 am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father but by me well you yon have heard me express several times that truth is life and life is light well it is true because jesus says 1 I am the life and the light of the world and no man that is born upon the face of this earth can obtain eternal life except they go by me they must come by me or through 0 me to obtain eternal life brethren I 1 want you to understand if you will treasure up principles ortruth of truth as you would treasure up gold and silver and precious stones signes it if you will treasure up tip truth every truth that you treasure up that truth is life and that life is light do you yon not see sec that if ip you treasure up the principles of truth in you and you have your tred treasury sury full of them then hen of course your treasury is is savior of all why because life ia is light and light is life dodou do tou you not see if you have got the true prinell principles dwelling in you if you treasure up truth you are bound to have llave life and ani then if you have life you are bound to have light and if those true principles dwell in you and th they ey abound do you not bec sec you cannot be unfruitful I 1 you are bound to be fruitful in the knowledge of god and in the accomplishment of his purposes I 1 if you do not take a course to treasur eup truth you vou never will be prophets and prophet esses for it is in treasuring up truth arid and life and light if these prin principles cires ciVes be in you and they abound you will be like ike a well of water springing up into everlasting life it will be everlasting do you not see if it springs lip up and that will bring us back to the tb e fountain of life from whence springs life and light do yoa you not see it springs from god it emanates from him and if it ia is in us and abounds it will be in us as a well of water springing up into ev er lasting life from whence it sprang well here are a few ideas before you abu something I 1 had not thought of before I 1 got up well ivell I 1 am called and ordained to be a teacher and add to instruct but if you do not receive my instructions and the principles of truth that emanate from me rne then you are arc not profited for the lord says it a man offers you a gift and you do not receive that gift with gladness and joy then of course the man that offers th the gift is not blessed but if the receiver re ceides ceides it with joy then the man that gim gives the gift has joy in giving it do you not see it well upon the same principle if god confers gifts and blessings and promises and glories and immortality and eternal lives and you receive them and treasure them up then our father and our god ha has bas 20 joy y in that man do you understand me 1 I do not know whether you get my idea or not but to save my head I 1 cannot tal balkany kany plainer you know I 1 am call cali j ed simple well I 1 wish I 1 was simpler and could convey things with greater simplicity than I 1 do why because I 1 have not a spirit within me to wish wilh to talk one word to you except good sense bense and light and information and instruction to the child that sits before me today to day do you not see god Is not pleased with any man except those that receive the gifts and treasure them up and practice upon those gifts and he givis those gifts and confers them upon you and zand will have us to practice upon them now these principles tome are plain and simple do you suppose that god in person called upon joseph smith our prophet god called upon him but god did not come himself and call but he sent peter to do it do you not see gee be he sent petar and cent moroni moron to joseph and told him that he had bad got the plates did god come himself no he ile sert seat moroni and told lold him there was a record and says he that record is matter that pertains to the laman ites and it tells teits when their fathers came out of jerusalem and how they came andall andali and ali ail all about it and says he if you will do as I 1 tall you I 1 will ivill confer a gift upon you 5 well he confer red it upon him because joseph said he would doas he told him 11 1 I want you to go to work and take the dirrim and X hummie and translate this book and have it published that this nation may read it do you not se see bee by joseph receiving the gift that was conferred upon him you and I 1 have that record well when this took place peter campalong came canle alon aion along t to 0 him and gave power and authority and arnd sa says 9 he ayou sou you go and baptize olver wiver cowdery and then ordain him a priest ile he did A and do you not see his bis works were in exercise then oliver having authority baptized joseph and arid ordained him a priest do you xou 0 u not see sea the tha works how they mani manifest manifee hes fes themselves well ivell theny peter pter coines comes along wily why did not god cod come he sent peter do you not see why did he not tome along because he has agents to attend to his business and he sits upon his throne and is established at head quarters and tells this man go and do this and it is behind the vail just as it is here you have got to learn that peter comes along with james and john and ordains joseph joeph to be an apostle and ihen iben joseph ordains oliver arid and david whitmer and martin harris and then iben they were ordered to select twelve more and ordain them it was done do you not see works were manifest they received the truth and thus you and I 1 are here today to day and if it had not been for the practice you and I 1 would not have been here would we well practice makes perfect it makes perfect men and perfect apostles and prophets and elders and teachers Tea cheis and deacons and how can you be perfect without it it is by our practice and living up to our profession that we increase increase and grow in in grace and in the knowledge of the truth there are a great in many manx arl all things probably that are taught you from i this lilii stand that is s from individual individuals they are arc taught to you and you probably have not got faith falth and confidence in them well now I 1 do not care whether you have or not riot it if you will go and do as you are i told you shall have a knowledge although you had not dot a particle of falih when you began that is curious religion but there is no knowledge on any other principle only by obedience sometime ago I 1 brought up a figure says 1 I john timothy jack peter I 1 do not care who they are you go up above the arsenal and d dig g a well and dig 10 or 12 feet and you shall hall hind find a good spring of water I 1 well says br john I 1 have no confidence I 1 in n that that there can be water got there neither have I 1 any confidence in in you as an apostle says I 1 I 1 do not care care uI whether wilether lether you have or not go and do as I 1 tell you and you shall be paid for it you go and dig dil a well and dig 12 feet and find a good spring of water vater now do you not get the knowledge of that water without a particle of faith or confidence it is in ane works I 1 some say what is the use of me doing this or that or the other thing I 1 have no faith in i it I 1 do not care a dime for your faith they produce the knowledge and then do you not see knowledge swallows up faith before you ever had it did you ever over know anything to swallow a thing when it was not yes the methodists god has neither body parts nor passions and yet the they have ave swallowed him we well weil now v this is a kind of curious doctrine doctrin e but it is true doctrine for I 1 never knew much faith in exercise in a man except that man had good works by going and doing as the servants of god say to produce faith and know ledge I 1 now I 1 will ask you yon a question a scriptural question I 1 do not know where whereat reit relt it is it is in the bible bibie I 1 cannot refer to chapter and verse I 1 want avant to refer you ym to the case of naaman the assyrian who was smitten with leprosy how much faith had he lie lie he had bad not a particle but his servants that had faith prevailed upon him to go down to jordan when the prophet spoke to him and told him to go and dip himself seven times and he should become whole lie he had riot not a particle of confidence in it he went down with his riches to buy health but be could not buy it he be had to do as the prophet told him he went down and dipped himself seven times and was healed do you not believe then tbell he knew things says he be 1 I know now they are arc the men of god I 1 kno know IV now that god lives and their words are true for tor I 1 did as they told me but ahad not any confidence in them and I 1 was healed does not riot that agree with me I 1 merely bring that up that you may not find fault with my doctrine do you not see that is the principle that we must be actuated by I 1 care not riot whether vou you you yon have any faith or not nol you go and do es as you are told to do and that produces knowledge and how long will it be before we ave will be presented info into the presence of jesus christabe Christ the son of god it will not be beleta but a little while now there area are a great many people ever even to this ny day with all the reformation that has been in our midst who make a practice of telling lies it is impossible for them to tell a story except they put into the interstices of that story lies of their own manufacturing do you not see that destroys they make male e a practice of it they cannot transact business except they must lie a little how long longy dodou suppose it will take that man to get toji to heaven eaven and to enter into celestial glory where villere lies or anything that is i im impure pure cannot exist it will take him as many millions of years as there will be millions of years to come perhaps rome some people may think that if we do lie and are dishonest and so forth and so on when we die the death that comes coines upon us and the change that comes upon us will change and take away those lies and we ave shall find ourselves basking in truth no such thing I 1 may tell a lie to you I 1 may be dishonest to my neighbors and ungodly then I 1 may get up tip an and d go out of doors and I 1 want to know what better am I 1 when uthen I 1 go through that door than I 1 was this side of it has it changed 0 my nature no botone not one particle I 1 will refer fo to br Morley Mor ieya leya words swords hesayo he says the mind makes the man that is true what is the mind it ia is that character that was made and fashioned after the image of god before these bodies were made that is our spirits what is the tha mind it is the spirit that was vas made before this body do you yon know pa i well now let me tell til youit is ig that spirit gat that makes the tife man J 1 I care not how humble he is if his nose bossia is three feet long and all his bis body was d disfigured I 1 1 will tell teli youji there is a good spirit in that man and that spir it cultivates wholesome doctrine and lives to god you on love him it is the spirit that isanthe man that maltes makes the man which is the mind j that you iras was ivas speaking of father morley you meant so did you not father morley lyes yes 2 well you yolk did well our change from this state of ex istance does dees not change our oun character the character must be made and formed before it goes pes through t the vail if be he is going to continue with the se servants of god the prophets now brethren you have bave got a spirit in you and that spirit spirl was created and organized was born and begotten by our father and our god before we ever took these bodies and these bodies were formed by him and through him and of him just as much as the spirit was for I 1 will tell you he commenced and brought forth sni spirits rits and arid then when he completed that work he commenced arid and brought forth tabernacles for those spirits to dwell in I 1 came through him boh bolh spirit and body god made the elements that they are made of just as much as he made anything tell methe me the first thing that is made on earth that god did not organize and place here in this world not a thi thing well it is the mind or spirit th that t is g in the 1 man that makes the man was that spirit a wicked spirit when it was organized and brot broyt into existence no no more than our little children are sinners but we have been I 1 led ed that is perverted or rather led away from these true principles led into evil principles by others well then of course we are not dot exactly as we were when we ave were organized no we have taken other mens menla books and reasoning rea sonin 9 s and fell into other principles led away from nature some say natures darit ness idonat I 1 do not know anything about such a thing as natures darkness it if we ave were as we were in our first creation we ave should be aa as innocent as little children every one of us perhaps you do not see these thin things s as I 1 do but I 1 have not any notion of my own to communicate unto you you see I 1 am the simplest fellow there is I 1 wish to god I 1 vas was more simple than I 1 am I 1 should be nearer to what I 1 was in nature I 1 do not know how to use what they call big words I 1 never studied them I 1 have no taste particularly particular i for them ald aid hid bid if I 1 had I 1 should not know where to put them and should be very apt to stick the head to the feet and the feet to the head I 1 do not know where to appie apple apply them well what are they you may as ask asb br taylor and he will tell you they are con of all languages tion well a good word is it not that is iq they are french english irish dutch hebrew and latin and they are all kinds linds of words and there are not many of them that have good sense well they aie ale are a mix mixture tuie every language is a mixture I 1 have not studied led them do you want to blame me cannot you understand der staid stand me in my sim sin simple simpie pie way of communicating to you on after all my simplicity and simple words and trying to simplify my words worda to tile the capacity of ile the tie people there are lots of you who do not understand the words I 1 use uze the words I 1 was taught from my youth hi my simplicity well now brethren I 1 tell you I 1 have said what I 1 have said and may god grant that it mayln kayin spire your hearts that it may exalt your minds that you may tr basure asure up these truths tradis as far as hes hey they are truths and I 1 know nothing to the contrary bu but t what they are truths and if you do or anybody else I 1 would be pleased to be corrected that is to have the hie real thino thing presented anstead of them Is it to my injury because I 1 did not happen to get it and somebody steps forward and puts it t there does it injure me 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