Show DISCOURSE by prest heber C b kimball bowery 13 ivery sunday morning aug 30 REPORTED BY J T V L LONG you yon must expect when you see br heber heben aland before you to speak that you will hear j what is called the rough etchel to this generation I 1 am pretty well satis satisfied fied brethren that there are only ply four or or five persons in this congregation that dislike chose to hear bear me talk and when you yoa take out t those four or five I 1 know that this people would 1 rather hear bear me speak than any other man who speaks from this stand except br brigham it is not that those four or five have anything particular against me but it is because I 1 do at many times give v vent ent to my feelings and by so doing I 1 hit them t em a crack where they deserve it well this is all right I 1 wonder if there is a man or I 1 woman liere here that really wants 0 to o be a saint 1 I mean those that want to live hem their het religion but what desire in i their hearts and seek in their prayers to the father that they may be corrected when they are wrong that they may be admonished IS 19 there a person in this congregation but what has that de desire ire lre and that feeling if there is I 1 am i greatly mistaken for 1 I hear them when I 1 go into I 1 meetings and when I 1 igo go into luto family circles they i awill will say if I 1 have a wrong thino thing aning about me I 1 want to be corrected have you yon not riot heard it so this ibis mornin every man that speaks b before i this athis community lias has those feelings have not I 1 i those feelings brethren if I 1 have a fault or i have adyth anything a bout about me which is s not ri right fit lit I 1 want to get rid nd of that and so do you if pou plu jou you are i saints well there is not a mother in this congregation but feels in that way else when they see S ee one of their children in fault why do they correct those childr children why do you correct them when you vou are not willing to be corrected yourselves vs neither a father nor a mother from this t ime lime forth should correct a child except they are willina willing to bet bel be corrected in their faults do you yoa ou see it you will see mothers who will correct their children when they get angry and that is almost the only time fline they will correct a child ami angry today to day just look at me and 4 ee if you think I 1 am angry I 1 tell you I 1 am just as good natured as I 1 cd can n be according to the nature of the case that I 1 am now dwelling upon well this is for you to reflect upon Is this a good people yon may take the el ders of israel throughout these vallens aud and those at the stations between here and the united states and those that we have sent to the nations of the earth and then thousands who never were here and there never was a more amenable set of men upon the earthy earth with the experience that we have got and there neter never was that day that this peo veo pie we were reone one as hey they are one today to day no never teli teil well weil I 1 feel to praise lle ile lie the elders of israel for 1 their faithfulness ss Is there a chance for improve ment clent brethren ye elders of israel if you think there is a chance for improvement notwithstanding all oe of my praising pran i ing r you vou just raise raie rale your idour right hands A A forest of hands danils was raised t i those that think there cannot be any improve i ment but that you are stereotyped raise your hands I 1 cannot see any hands raised upon that nide alde aide j when I 1 went to chop I 1 was always taught to t pull offey off my coat and spit on my hands bands I 1 pull off my coat because I 1 am too tod warm if I 1 dont talk here bere more than twenty minutes I 1 want my coa coat t ct off may I 1 tell you some of my feelings and not hav have any of you angry with me voices yes I 1 hate to have the ladies angry with me above 1 1 eil all 11 things and I 1 will wil I 1 tell fell you one thing and that is is all you that thai tha are ladies will not find any fault but the woman that finds fault with me I 1 can analyze analyse her ht and show you she is not a lady I 1 I 1 lam iam am a physician well weil you can hardly men tion a thing that is good but what I 1 am I 1 want to tell some of my feelings here today to day i in a few word words relative to br brigham I 1 call him brother because he says if I 1 call him pres idelt be he shall call me president tand and just as sure as he does I 1 am as flat as a pancake I 1 shall only call him president before the saints in his bis calling I 1 was going to say before our enemies but damn them they shall never come here i excuse me I 1 neve never use rough words oni only 7 when I 1 come in contact with rough things and I 1 use smooth words when I 1 talk upon smooth sub I 1 ejects and so on according to the nature of the I 1 case that comes before me you all acknowledge br brigham as the president of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints then you acknowledge him as our leader prophet seer and revelator and then you acknowledge g him in every capacity hat that pertains to his calling both in church and state do you not voices yes yesa 1 well he is our governor what is a gover nor one who presides or governs well weil now we have declared in a legislative ca capacity acety that I 1 we will not have poor rotten hearted heated curses come and rule over us such as some they have been accustomed to send we drafted a memorial i and the council and the house of representatives ta tives signed it and we sent to them the names of inen men of our own choice as many as from five to eight men for each office men from our own midst out cf af whom to appoint officers for this territory we sent that number for the president of f the united States to make a selection from and asked him to give us men of our own choice in accordance with ilith the rights ats cons constitutionally tit ution ally aily guaranteed td coall all ail american citizens we just told them right up and down that if they sent any more such miserable curse curses as some som ethey they had haa sent were we would send them home and that is one reason why an a rpy army or rather a mob is is on the way here a as reported you did not know the reason before bafo e did you well we did that in a legislative le capacity c tipa lipa city we did it as members of the L legislature as your representatives and now you have got to ba back ek us up yon you sent lis ils us just as we sent br Bern bernhisel hisel bisel to seek for our rights and to stand in our defence at wahington washington well here is br bri briham brigham ham bam he is the man of our own choice he is our governor in the capacity of a Teni teri tory and also as saints of the most high well it is reported that they have another governor on the way now three judges a district attorney a marshal a postmaster and secretary and that they are coming here with awen ty five hundred men the united states design to force those officers upon us by the point po 1 int of the bayonet bavo net Is not that a funny thing you may think that I 1 am cross but I 1 am laughing at their calamity and I 1 will moek in mock ock when their fear cometh now gentlemen and ladies you look at these things and then right in this book the bible it says our nobles shall be of ourselves that is our lords our judges our governors our marshals and our everything shall be of ourselves wont you read the chap of jeremiah 13 thus saith the lord behold I 1 will bring again the captivity of jacobs tents and have mercy on ht his dwelling in places and the city shall be bull buli deil upon her oin oln own heap and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof 19 and out of them shall shail proceed thanksgiving ng and the voice of them that make merry and I 1 will multiply them thern and they shall not be few I 1 will also them and they shall not be small 20 their children also shall be as aforetime and their congregation shall te established before me xue and I 1 will punish all that oppress them 21 and their nobles shall shail be of themselves and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them and I 1 will c caule cause far use him to draw near nean and he shall approach unto mer met me for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto meg me saith the lord 22 and ye shall be my people and I 1 will be your god 23 behold the whirlwind of the lord I ord goeth forth with furry fury a continuing whirlwind it shall fall with pain upon the head bead of the wicked furs 24 the fierce tierce anmei ancer aneer of the lord shall pot return until he be have done it and until he have bave performed the intents of his bis heart in the tho latter days 50 e shall consider it well wel 1 the day has come when our governor has come out of our midst and he is in the tops of the mountains just where the prophets said these things should come to pass and now the united states are reported to be trying to force a governor upon us when the lord has lids raised one up right out of our midst now I 1 am going to talk about these things and I 1 feel as though I 1 had a perfect right to do so lecause because I 1 am one of the people if this people should consent to dispossess br brigham young as our governor they are just 1 as sure to go to hell as they live and I 1 know it for god would forsake them and leave them to themselves and they would be in worse bondage than the children of israel israe ever were er supposing this thing all blows over and ond nd they dont come up here but they begin bein to flatter us and be friendly what will be the result they may mav flatter as long as the earth stands but I 1 never will be subject to one of their damned pusillanimous curses they may court and flatter as much as they please but I 1 never will ivill be sub subject act to them again abrain no never do you haj baj hear it voices yes do do you think hink we will submit to them no never they have cut the thread themselves you are the tha people who have th privilege to acknowledge br brigham as our governor governo and continue him in in his office and you also have the privilege through your ag agency eilcy elacy to reject him if you please but it will be to your condemnation if you do because he has got the keys of the kingdom and the very moment you v 0 u reject him you cut yourselves off from the rl right ibb of the priesthood I 1 will now bring up it a comparison I 1 live in the city of great salt sait it lake I 1 am a father a husband a benefactor to between GO 60 and 70 subjects I 1 feed them I 1 clothe them and they do not have a pin a drink of tea nor anything but what I 1 provide I 1 provide them houses to live in and beds to sleep on cri but suppose that by and bye some stranger comes along and my family say to him I 1 we will have you to preside over us and ana an they reject me when at the same time they say br abr heber is a good man but the other man comes cornea with a smiling face and my family take him and reject me what have they done if they reject me they hey reject their head and by EO so doing they destroy their to the head bead header or limb ro io which they are lawfully connected Is not that so suppose you acknowledge led e the man reported to be coming conling what do you do you reject your head bead and if so where is the body and what will become of it I 1 will compare it to my body supposing the head is cast east away the body will die wont it yes and you will die just as quick as that if you re reject eject br brigham aham your beaz beal head we are the people of deseret she bb shall a 11 IL bo u 0 deseret deg Dee eret she shall be no more utah we will have oar own name do you hear bear it brethren and sisters these ideas are comforting to all of you they are most gloriously comforting to me I 1 tell you the feelings within me are glorious we are the people of 0 deseret and it Is for us lvernon Lver to say whether we will have br brigham for our governor nor or those poor miserable devils they are reported to be trying to bring here you must know they aro ara inis enis miserable erable devils to have to come here under arms but they shall shell not rule over us nor come ino into thu this territory I 1 1 i t 1 1 I I 1 it w what do yoli you s say ay ab about ou I it icare ari are y you ou wil wll willing in g as a people that they their should come como in here you Y ou that say they shall not raise ralfe v your youn rr right h hands aa lid rid s all hands handi raised mr gentile wont you tell orthis ayou to your r coworkers for the devils kingdom the reason rea son that I 1 talk as I 1 do is because I 1 dont hold any office in the united states but this people some time ago appointed me chief justice of the state of deseret and br john and bishop N K whitney as my associates you alo also aio appointed me lieutenant Gov governor emor I 1 always told you I 1 was going to be lieutenant governor this is a stump speech we are going to have our own governor from henceforth brigham Brig hain young was then our governor heber C kimball was chief justice and lieutenant governor govern or I 1 was a big bill man then I 1 felt as big as br alora y does doos in tre the legislature the fact is is he does not understand their gabble gabbia if iche he does he understands more than I 1 do it is for us to say according to our rights under the constitution whether we will have those thos cursed gentiles to rule ils lis is or not I 1 want you to publish this thia mr editor I 1 am giving you a little of my feelings for I 1 want you to know that you are under no more obligation to receive those men than br brig hams family is to receive another man and to reject him as their husband their father their friend and benefactor I 1 know that what I 1 have said has informed many of your minds and I 1 choose to present my ideas by comparison I 1 have a right to say the gentiles shall never rule over me although this people might admit of their coming comin here I 1 have a right cosay to say also that we ive shall never be ruled 0 over ver der by them from this day forth while grass grows or water runs never no never voices oice olce g amen camen 1 J well we have got to sustain these amens and we have got 0 to o sustain ahse vows you ladies too will certainly have to do your part or back out I 1 told you last sunday to arm yourselves and if you cannot do it any other way sell some of your fine bonnets fine pressess dres sess and buy yourselves a good dirk a pistol or some other instrument of war arm your borsand boys and arm yourselves universally and that too with the weapons of war for we may be brou brought ht to the test to see if we will stand up to the line I 1 never knew it to fail fall when men made covenants but they were brought to the tb e test iest to see if they would live up to them this people have made covenants they have made vows and they have been instructed by br brigham and he lie has told them that those cove and penalties are true and faithful and I 1 say they are as true as the lord god liveth and the dai day will come that yoi will have to fulfill fulfil those vows and cove covenants nants that you vou have made and not not one word shall fail I 1 have told you of it and I 1 have backed it up when others have said it now mark it for got go I 1 will drive us to it these instructions instructs instruct i 0 ns given to us from time to time will have to be carried out and fulfilled for I 1 just know that you have got to reap that which is sown if you sow to the spirit it you will reap life everlasting but bui if you sow BOW to the flesh we shall reap corruption and tle ile bed that we make we have got to lie in ir now oi I 1 will tell you another thing that bears heavily on iny my mind as much so as any other thing and that is for this people to live their religion and do ds as they are told I 1 will ask you this question gentlemen and adies can you yoa live your religion |