Show REMARKS by el ednd EDED lail 1111 11 grante grantt GRANT gnant tabernacle march 2 REPORTED RETORTED it BY Y G D ivanti i by bv elder kimballs Kim balls balla request I 1 wil wll will occupy a short time lime I 1 have meditated considerably upon the spirit manifested through our president last sabbath and to today day aay dav day and also upon that manifested by br kimball his first counselor I 1 do not know what effect their views and sayings have had upon your minds but I 1 am under the impression that there is more blindness and stupidity more fog and darkness in israel than I 1 had anticipated previous to their remarks I 1 am aware that dersons persons not members of our out society listening to the teachings from this stand might infer that we certainly were in a very bad state stafe sta but when they take into consideration that we do not allow any evil or any kind of wickedness to grow and in the midst of this community without revealing and opposing it they can then understand the subject more clearly in the united states generally and perhaps in in most of europe it would not be safe to speak so plainly from the pulpit concerning the wickedness exis existing tinZ in hose those regions or to empoe it so freely and fully fally as we ive expose from this stand the evils striving to creep into our midst for the spirit which reigns abroad upon un the face of the earth is different from the spirit pit that reigns here it if we know a wicked man we feel fed free i to present him before the public and frequently call him by name and expose him publicly this course would no not always be safe in that portion of the southern states W where hee bee I 1 have traveled you would be apt to be involved in a duel or in a fight of some kind when the latter litter day saints know of wickedness they are determined to expose it and bring it to the he light and that which should be made public they proclaim publicly even though I 1 it may have been learned secretly I 1 aro am satisfied of the blindness that exist exists 9 in man many y of those whom we call upon ullon to officiate in merent different lif capacities in the church I 1 the high council have been referred to today to day as among the number who are in the fog the reason why I 1 verily believe that they are in the fog is because the light of the holy ghost which is in our president tells us the fact and faith comes by hearing the word of god the reason why I 1 espee especially i ally aily and particularly believe that our bishops are pre in the dark is from the fact that the manifestation of the hie almighty through gh the he president of the church reveals that fact t to 0 t the he pe people 0 pie and he be gives us that re revelation without making any special reserve therein hence my faith if I 1 had no other evidence his testimony would be sufficient for me to predicate my faith upon the presidents remarks gave a very special rebuke to certain councils and arid more or less to those who wiio speak from this stand ile he is not fond of the smoothness that some are delighted with I 1 am aware that the saints come here to listen and that many of them are fond of smooth sayings and ani nicely turned periods being pleased herewith therewith t as with a beautiful song their ears are tickled and their fancies excited but they go away without being vitally benefited we have to deal with the he people of god and we care but little about the ebbing and flowing of nations na lions when their ebbings and flo fio fl owings whigs do not particularly effect the he saints of the al most ot high we expect to see abominations and commotions abroad on the earth but I 1 do hope that the time lias actually come when filth will be cleansed from the midst of israel As a people we are right in principle in doc b me arli arll in precepts but are we all perfectly ight in practice this is a question which we should shoula well examine examine and understand do da all the people practice righteousness do they all ave ive t ve their religion and the principles that they have received receive in other words do all the people act according to what they understand do they do the best they their know how it if they were all doing the best they illey know how there would be no fault found with them but I 1 am satisfied Fatis fied that they are not for it they were the president would not stand up here and rebuke you you are rebuked rebutted because you suffer yourselves to be led by the enemy into the fog because the spirit of god and the light of the holy ghost are not at all timea upon lipon you lat lait sunday the pres president dent chastised some somme of the he apostles a and d bishops who were on the grand jury juro tiry tiro did lie he fully folly succeed in clearing away the fog oa which surrounded them and in removing blindness from their eyes no for they could go to their room and again disagree though to their credit it must insist be admitted that a brief explanation pia pla natien made them unanimous in their action not lonz long ago I 1 heard that in a certain case the he daverse traverse ra verse jury were eleven against one and what 13 more singular the one alone was wag right in in his views of the case several had bad got into the fog to suck and eat the aith gith fi th of a gentile law court ostensibly a court nf of butali though I 1 call it a gentile gertile court why because it does not magnify ahr the laws lawso of f utah as provided for in the organic act by which act and law laws it alone exists as a court A brief examination will soon colv convince ince a person ot of only ordinary observation that the laws of utah are not administered in our courts court and that he the judges must know that fact and that they have been seeking g f from rom the first with but few exceptions to overrule them whether that course is prompted from the city ot of washington I 1 know not our laws have been set at nought nom lit and ard walked under f foot oot not and in lieu lievi thereof a constant co effort has been made madeko to rule in common law english law and law after law totally inapplicable do no yon suppose pose I 1 respect person persons who so conduct themselves no I 1 do not we have some gentiles here whom I 1 respect we had a shaver whom I 1 respected ha he was a man and a true virginian well represented the chivalric spirit ot 0 the south and sought the good of his country but when we have a set of politicians here who can blow hot or cold to suit their own convenience veni ence they can officiate as constables jurors marshals judges and legislators they can turn the law create the jaw and execute the law to suit uil thIn themselves selves do io I 1 respect them no and I 1 am in ho hopes ea that some of their friends present will wil I 1 tell te them in F so voice I 1 do not know that they haye have any they act as though they the they y took it for granted that we were a set of unacquainted with will the be usages of courts and tin lin aware unaware that they were setting aside oa our laws they have llave sou bou boucht bought olit to overthrow our laws when there is not a B law in force in utah that will sanction their rulings ard you cannot bring an ail upright lawyer one who actually understands his profession but what will say that iam lam ram pam right every man who is conversant with the haws of the united states and of utah will say so we do not find fault with the laws of our country they are good but we deprecate the acts of men who strive to trample upon them men who are arc filled with gentile leaven and we dislike that leaven and the fog which accompanies it we have a few whore masters here do you vou wish to know who they are I 1 can tell the first le letters aters of their heir name and I 1 can tell where they have been practising practicing their abominations in this city and even some who profess to be mor mons are guilty of enticing and leading girls to prostitution saying if you want a liew llew dress you can get it very easily I 1 have a gun and dirks in good order and powder and 1 iad irad ad and am ready and able to make holes through such miserable corrupting rascal Is these characters take mormon eirls girls and debauch th ahm m telling them that the united states will send heir their troops here and that bis this his people will be broken up and driven we are a part of the united states ourselves most of us were raised in america and WP we are all cradled in liberty and if the united states desires to drench the earth with our blood we are on liand hand who is afraid to die none but the wicked if they want to send troops here let them to those who have imported filth and whores though we can attend to that class without much expense to the general government can wipe them their out cheaply and quickly for they are only few in number they will threaten us with the U S troops why your youn impudence and i ignorance norance would a blus bius blush kour to the che cheeks eks of the verlest verlest camp among them we asano ask no odds of you you yon carca carcasses ases and I 1 am not to bow one breadth to your influence I 1 would rather cut into lup inch pieces w raes than succumb one particle such filthiness I 1 want the gentiles gent lips ilca to understand that know all about their whore doms arid and other abominations mi here if we have not invariably such corrupt scoundrels those who will seek carru corrupt t and pollute our community I 1 swear you trat that we mean to and to accomplish more a few hours towards clearing the atmosphere than all your grand and traverse juries can year there are a few professed mormons cormons Mor mons who a few dimes wink at their in iniquities i zel eel ties and kee the poor i or mean lazy scamps scalps in their thein r h houses saying 0 they hey are honorable men 2 I 1 admit there are a few feiy honorable men here who ire are no in in the he church some of whom I 1 respect much this eternal threatening of us with the armie 0 of f the united state I 1 wonder what men WP we are made of when they threaten list us As they expected that we were going to succumb to whoredom if we were to establish a whore house on every corner of our streets as in nearly all other citius outside of utah either by law or otherwise we should doubtless then be considered good fellows if we were to allow gambling drunkenness and every species of wickedness the mormons cormons Mor mons would then be all right they conid not then threaten us with the armies of the united states 0 no what is it that maddens the devils simply that we are determined to do right and to set at defiance wickedness and wicked men and to send them to hell across lots as quick as we ire can ido I 1 do not ask any odds of them in myself se if I 1 themselves never have if they behave themselves as white men ought to behave we will ivill treat them as such the armies of our nation is will ill lii have plenty to do without atte attending R ling to us u they will need u us 3 to help them yes instead of bringing their armies to fight the people in utah they will need armies to hell help them they are threatening enina ening war in kansas on the slavery question and ibe I 1 he general government has already bee been n called upon to send troops there well all I 1 have to say on that matter is success to both partie parties 11 and in relation to the election of a speaker in in the house of representatives at wag washington hin the north and south the east and west have llave each other by the ears earsy eargy success to all parties say I 1 to send men here as spies to watch usi us curse the spies and anti those who send rend them and all who sustain the system of whorehouses who and the debauch debauchery ery erv of the innocent and unsuspecting and all who threaten that the united states ar are arc e to ta drive and kill the mormon normon did you ever hear such a man as jude judge ge shaver threaten i us with the united states stati did you ever hear judge Jude reed do stich such athin a thing no or millard Mill aril arhl fillimore Filli fillmore ore or andrew jackson no such men would scorn to thre threaten aten an innocent people with the armies of the nation n have we been disloyal to oar count country rv have hare we in one instance violated her laws taws no have we rejected her tier institutions no we are law fill and loyal loval citizens of the government ot the united stites slates an and d a few poor miserable pu filla nimons rotten st stinking inkin g rebels coine here and threaten ua us with the armies of the united states we wish wah all such stich chua characters diers to understand that hat it i the generals and armies and those who wish birish lo 10 send theral ard as corrupt is ds those who threaten us its aad as vile as most crost of those heretofore sent here we defy them and the he soon j ft er we come I 1 in contact with wilh them the better these are my feelings every time oil that point i As for you miserable sleepy mormons cormons Mor mons who say to those hose wretches give us your dimes and you shail shall have our wheat and and our daughters only give us your dimes and you shall have this that and the otlie ether ril I 1 not only wish but bint pray in the name of israels god that the time was come in which toun sheath the he sword like ilke moroni of old and to cleanse the inside of he platter and we would not wait for the decision of grand or traverse uries juries but we ire would walk into you and completely comp lety use up every curse who will not no do right we are arc speaking against none who wiio are good they have our oun prot but against those who wiio are evil we have nave many good arl friends ends who bre are I 1 are not members of our church but when men come and threaten us with the a armies of the united states and under that color seek to practice every kind of debauchery telling a young girl that we are going to be destroyed and for that reason she had better forsake the mormon church chuich and make mem bandise of her tier body ta 16 serve their vile purposes poor miserable devils what ought you to expect I 1 wi wish h the saints to see and understand men and things as they are it if they have any judgment and eye sight I 1 could give you a lit of the practices I 1 have been speaking of and of the hames names of the men em engaged 11 aged in them if we love salvation and liberty and must fight for them let us 11 fight hobt and they will find that the mormons cormons Mor mons are on hand band to die aie those who are right and what would be the use of living if we cannot have our rights if we are to be driven as we have hitherto been the sooner we die the better uttel and the sooner we kill a poor set of miserable devils the tile better for those who remain I 1 wish all the saints to do right and as for those who will not my prayer is that they may all hell heil wards the way wards ducks went 11 may god bless those who do right and them to break in pieces wickedness and put it down that we may be saved I 1 ask it in the of jesus christ amen |